VAR Decisions - PL 19/20 Season

[bosnian_red]

I thought var was going to be used to overturn clear and obvious errors..?
Sterling was about 5cm offside

For pens and red cards it's essentially used to get a second view if they missed it the first time.

For offside, it's like goal line technology. No grey area. It either is, or it isn't. Every goal has a routine check, and offside is black or white when it comes to offside as it should be.

 

[Fully Fledged]

I'd be spitting if that was given against United.
I understand letter of the law but we will be taking so many great goals out of the game and replacing them with fecking penalties.
Heavens forbid someone should be a gnat's bollock offside it's so game breaking.

 

[ForestRGoinUp]

So is he on side?

This stance lacks basic common sense and will lead the sport down a dangerous path if not slapped away.

 

[bosnian_red]

Is that really clear and obvious....that looked millimetres

Where are people getting this clear and obvious from? Every goal is checked. Offside has no no grey area. It either is or it isn't. Millimeters or not, offside is offside.

 

[Mrs Smoker]

This stance lacks basic common sense and will lead the sport down a dangerous path if not slapped away.

Or probably not.

 

[bosnian_red]

This stance lacks basic common sense and will lead the sport down a dangerous path if not slapped away.

Nope. Offside rules are always the same. If any part of the body that can score a goal or play the ball is offside, then it's offside. The margins don't matter.

 

[cj_sparky]

Every goal scored is checked.

Yeah I get that, but I'm not even sure looking again if his shoulder isn't in line with some part of the defender in the image they showed....really tricky call.

 

[ForestRGoinUp]

Or probably not.

Like someone else just said, taking the nice team goals out of the sport and replacing them with penalties.

Taking the goal celebrations out and replacing them with VAR Decision celebrations. Nasty path

 

[kouroux]

Having the technology available, if you can see that the attacker is ahead of the defender, albeit by a few mms but decide to award the goal, it defeats the purpose of having the technolog in the first place.

 

[Pughnichi]

It should be feet. Denying goals because your elbow is millimetres off seems ridiculous. I’d be livid if that was given against us tomorrow.

 

[wub1234]

It took a while to get it right in cricket, and while there are still murmurings about the system, it's largely accepted that DRS has improved the game.

However, you would think football would learn from a sport that has successfully implemented replays, and introduce a degree of error. For example, this:

...would be given not out, even though technology states that the umpire is wrong.

You would hope that football rule-makers would understand that you can't have decisions being blanket overturned because a player is shown to be 1mm offside. But with the handball rule in Europe already being farcical, I suppose it's no surprise that it isn't being implemented in a sensible fashion.

I suppose, technically, Sterling was very marginally offside, so it's a fair decision, but it doesn't seem to be in the spirit of why technology has been introduced or considered necessary.

 

[ivaldo]

This stance lacks basic common sense and will lead the sport down a dangerous path if not slapped away.

Common sense dictates that players who are offside are given offside. Can't wait to see this thread bumped every time a correct decision is made because it doesn't align with your individual interpretation of 'close enough.'

 

[kouroux]

It should be feet. Denying goals because your elbow is millimetres off seems ridiculous. I’d be livid if that was given against us tomorrow.

But you'd happy to have Chelsea have their goal disallowed in that manner no ?

 

[Speedy30]

I thought var was going to be used to overturn clear and obvious errors..?
Sterling was about 5cm offside

Clear and obvious errors relating to incidents. ALL goals will be reviewed and if there is an offside in that, it will be disallowed

 

[ROFLUTION]

Not even sure that is offside, just looked subjectively called and then at least should it be the main-ref who calls it?

What was up with the vertical drawings on that? Is that something we will see going forward.. drawing on the screen?

Sort of reminded me of that not-linear line drawn in Carabao Cup (?) last year

Still not convinced about the system - still there should be complete transparency as to why decisions were made. Else corruption and bias can be made in the VAR booth

 

[GhastlyHun]

Having the technology available, if you can see that the attacker is ahead of the defender, albeit by a few mms but decide to award the goal, it defeats the purpose of having the technolog in the first place.

You could amend the rules to have a margin of tolerance for offside. Imo decisions about a few centimeters give or take were never the purpose of the offside rule.

 

[ivaldo]

Like someone else just said, taking the nice team goals out of the sport and replacing them with penalties.

Taking the goal celebrations out and replacing them with VAR Decision celebrations. Nasty path

What was that about common sense?

 

[ForestRGoinUp]

bigger turnoff than I had imagined. Didn’t expect so many to agree with calls like that, effectively removing goals from the game where no advantage was gained.

 

[Shaguar2k]

You could amend the rules to have a margin of tolerance for offside. Imo decisions about a few centimeters give or take were never the purpose of the offside rule.

So it will be exactly the same problem again... just moving the point of measurement.

 

[711]

This is fecking awful. RIP live football.

 

[Slevs]

You could amend the rules to have a margin of tolerance for offside. Imo decisions about a few centimeters give or take were never the purpose of the offside rule.

That was my method of thinking before the black or white crew feasted on my post.

 

[Speedy30]

bigger turnoff than I had imagined. Didn’t expect so many to agree with calls like that, effectively removing goals from the game where no advantage was gained.

Imagine the anger if Liverpool scored a goal like that but because it's 'close enough' and no advantage was gained, it was allowed?
As shown by City's goal a few seconds ago, these mm decisions will be made and if you're off, it will be disallowed.

 

[ForestRGoinUp]

This is fecking awful. RIP live football.

Yep that’s that. The sport as we knew it is gone forever.

Mind you everyone playing and coaching it is paid enough to deal with a few wrong calls (that balance out over the course of a season). But this is sucking emotion out of the game.

 

[Sara125]

I'd be spitting if that was given against United.
I understand letter of the law but we will be taking so many great goals out of the game and replacing them with fecking penalties.
Heavens forbid someone should be a gnat's bollock offside it's so game breaking.

Using this

 

[Speedy30]

That was my method of thinking before the black or white crew feasted on my post.

I like the idea but then the margin or error would have to be determined which then makes it subjective and potential inconsistencies start cropping up. As far as offside goes, I think black or white is best for everyone

 

[Shark]

Awful start to VAR. could destroy the game.

 

[RedFish]

This is fecking awful. RIP live football.

Nail on head. Talk about killing the moment. Fecking hell

 

[mav_9me]

Where are people getting this clear and obvious from? Every goal is checked. Offside has no no grey area. It either is or it isn't. Millimeters or not, offside is offside.

Agreed. Only problem is the accuracy of their measurements of the millimeters. The way they showed their measurements I'm not convinced of the accuracy.

 

[Fully Fledged]

What was that about common sense?

There is no such thing. All sense is learned and if there was the fact that there is discussion about it would mean that it doesn't apply here.

 

[ROFLUTION]

Imagine the anger if Liverpool scored a goal like that but because it's 'close enough' and no advantage was gained, it was allowed?
As shown by City's goal a few seconds ago, these mm decisions will be made and if you're off, it will be disallowed.

Not even sure it was off mate.

Thats also why we need transparency. At least in NFL they explain what they've done. Would also minimize tiresome time spent on tv debates afterwards

 

[El Zoido]

It takes a bit of the magic out of the game, but it’s really important that the correct decisions are made. It’s a tough trade-off.

 

[Dan_F]

Where are they taking the line from. The shoulder as the arm doesn’t count?

 

[Slevs]

I like the idea but then the margin or error would have to be determined which then makes it subjective and potential inconsistencies start cropping up. As far as offside goes, I think black or white is best for everyone

Yes, it would have to be universally accepted and could cause a few issues.

 

[ForestRGoinUp]

Imagine the anger if Liverpool scored a goal like that but because it's 'close enough' and no advantage was gained, it was allowed?
As shown by City's goal a few seconds ago, these mm decisions will be made and if you're off, it will be disallowed.

If anyone scores a goal but their thumbnail was “offside” it’s a fecking fair goal. End of. Anyone who thinks otherwise is loopy.

 

[wub1234]

Imagine the anger if Liverpool scored a goal like that but because it's 'close enough' and no advantage was gained, it was allowed?
As shown by City's goal a few seconds ago, these mm decisions will be made and if you're off, it will be disallowed.

The problem is that players can't tell if they're 1mm offside, or not. What you're asking players to do within the current rules is stay roughly level with defenders, so that they're not offside. You cannot reasonably ask them to be accurate in this to the nearest millimetre.

Sterling has made a run that even in slow-motion no-one was able to tell is marginally offside, yet we're now expecting players to judge their runs to the nearest mm in normal time.

This is completely unrealistic and ridiculous.

As I mentioned previously, cricket could implement a system in which decisions are made to the nearest centimetre or millimetre, but this has, sensibly, not been done because the whole point of replays is to ensure that unfair 'howlers' are eradicated (which will be achieved, and is a good thing). Not to get every single goal checked for two minutes to see if someone's fingernail was offside.

 

[kouroux]

You could amend the rules to have a margin of tolerance for offside. Imo decisions about a few centimeters give or take were never the purpose of the offside rule.

Then what's the need for the technology ? It's supposed to help with those mms, it's its point.

 

[ivaldo]

There is no such thing. All sense is learned and if there was the fact that there is discussion about it would mean that it doesn't apply here.

Then tell Forest that. He was the one to bring it up.

 

[cyberman]

It took a while to get it right in cricket, and while there are still murmurings about the system, it's largely accepted that DRS has improved the game.

However, you would think football would learn from a sport that has successfully implemented replays, and introduce a degree of error. For example, this:

...would be given not out, even though technology states that the umpire is wrong.

You would hope that football rule-makers would understand that you can't have decisions being blanket overturned because a player is shown to be 1mm offside. But with the handball rule in Europe already being farcical, I suppose it's no surprise that it isn't being implemented in a sensible fashion.

I suppose, technically, Sterling was very marginally offside, so it's a fair decision, but it doesn't seem to be in the spirit of why technology has been introduced or considered necessary.

So this is predicting the flight of a ball? Thats not the same as a yes or no answer?

 

[ForestRGoinUp]

It takes a bit of the magic out of the game, but it’s really important that the correct decisions are made. It’s a tough trade-off.

Really important? Anyone who ever said “the table doesn’t lie” in the past then must have been lying.

 

[ninjaskill]

If anyone scores a goal but their thumbnail was “offside” it’s a fecking fair goal. End of. Anyone who thinks otherwise is loopy.

It is as your arm can be offside as it isn’t a part of your body you can play the ball with. If a toe nail is offside then it isn’t a goal however.