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These Mainoo prices are hilarious.
The Onana ones are pretty damn funny too
These Mainoo prices are hilarious.
Which club has ever offered 100m pounds for an 18 years old player?
Mainoo is good and priceless but we do not really know how good he will really become. No one will go close to 100m or so for a central midfielder with 5-10 senior matches.
Tchouameni was a starter at Monaco for 2 full seasons. Very different situation to Mainoo.Maunoo id say 80m because his hype right now is growing like crazy and if Madrid spent 100m on Tchouameni based on 1 season, Mainoo isn't quite there but I think he's shown he's an elite youngster and he'd get above 60m if it was actually a bidding war.
Caicedo went for 120m after 18 months of good performances, and Mainoo is 5 years younger, English, and a level above technically. He's basically priceless on the open market for the position he plays and his age.
The Onana ones are pretty damn funny too
The problem with this logic is that Caicedo does not represent the average price for a player of this type in the market; he is an exception.
You could say, for example, that since PSG paid 180m for teen Mbappe, and 222m for Neymar, that's how much top talent goes for now. But it isn't true, no one's paid that kind of money since.
High prices in football have more to do with a club deciding someone is "their man" and paying whatever they can for them, rather than the actual going rate for this type of player. United are a perfect example of that since they've overpaid for many many players.
If Mainoo was at Barca and they were offered £80m for him, they would bite your hands off. He’s proven nothing yet, other than that he is a competent midfielder who is comfortable on the ball. Something Barcelona are not in a short supply of. In fact, no top sides are.Except everyone agreed Caicedo is simply a “good player” and not some world beater, so it’s not even like he’s an exception. We live in a world where Antony, a completely average Dutch league winger, was sold for 90m. Enzo Fernandez set the tempo well at Benfica and was then sold for 100m+. Declan Rice was quoted for YEARS as a 100m player when he’s been a good PL DM but is hardly some technical marvel. Jack Grealish is a 100m winger and he’s hardly gotten 10+ G/A per season at City.
These prices are what they are, it’s less a commentary on a specific player than it is the market as a whole but this isn’t the Ronaldo Madrid era where these insane prices are only quoted for truly “best in the world” type players.
Which brings me back to my original point, if Mainoo was playing at the base of the midfield for Barca/Madrid/Bayern/City etc and playing how he is for us currently they’d tell you to go feck yourself if you offered anything under 80m MINIMUM
I think a fundamental point missing from your assessment of Mainoo is he’s shown he is comfortable and capable of being a single pivot in a dreadful midfield playing in a role so barren, you’d have to ask how many other midfielders in the league could come into our shambolic set up and do the same or better. This isn’t Wilshere, who played in a comprehensively superior midfield and as an #8 with less burden of responsibility on his shoulders. DM/DLP is widely acknowledged as one of the hardest roles on the pitch and not one you see kids enter the fray as teenagers and excel at against season pros, and to reiterate once more, in dire conditions; if you are not watching our games, you have no clue how bad we are and have been in midfield and how much of a burden and responsibility we have placed on a kid’s underdeveloped shoulders. This simply isn’t the run of the mill; the conditions are absolutely abnormal, which is where so much more praise is being reserved for him.If Mainoo was at Barca and they were offered £80m for him, they would bite your hands off. He’s proven nothing yet, other than that he is a competent midfielder who is comfortable on the ball. Something Barcelona are not in a short supply of. In fact, no top sides are.
I think you’re overrating Mainoo because he’s been a breath of fresh air in your engine room. But that likely say less about him and more about your other midfield options.
I think it’s an English problem. We get giddy every time we produce a player who can put his foot on the ball in the middle of the park. Arsenal fans were similarly chuffed with Wilshere when he broke through. When the English press asked Guardiola his opinion of Wilshere he replied “we have many players in the second team like him”. He straight up said Barcelona B is full of Jack Wilshere type players. And he was right.
Except everyone agreed Caicedo is simply a “good player” and not some world beater, so it’s not even like he’s an exception. We live in a world where Antony, a completely average Dutch league winger, was sold for 90m. Enzo Fernandez set the tempo well at Benfica and was then sold for 100m+.
if Mainoo was playing at the base of the midfield for Barca/Madrid/Bayern/City etc and playing how he is for us currently they’d tell you to go feck yourself if you offered anything under 80m MINIMUM
Another factor with valuing young prodigies is that they are ‘unsellable’ and giant clubs simply scoff and make it entirely impossible to buy their jewels in the crown. Pedri, Kimmich, Busquets and so on and so forth were assuredly not viable targets for other clubs, hence bids did not come in for them. Mainoo is lining up to be in that bracket and United’s obstacle, unlike those aforementioned players’ clubs, is the player himself might move on to pastures new if not competing for leagues and CL’s, at which point the unsaleable will potentially have a price on his head.
I think a fundamental point missing from your assessment of Mainoo is he’s shown he is comfortable and capable of being a single pivot in a dreadful midfield playing in a role so barren, you’d have to ask how many other midfielders in the league could come into our shambolic set up and do the same or better. This isn’t Wilshere, who played in a comprehensively superior midfield and as an #8 with less burden of responsibility on his shoulders. DM/DLP is widely acknowledged as one of the hardest roles on the pitch and not one you see kids enter the fray as teenagers and excel at against season pros, and to reiterate once more, in dire conditions; if you are not watching our games, you have no clue how bad we are and have been in midfield and how much of a burden and responsibility we have placed on a kid’s underdeveloped shoulders. This simply isn’t the run of the mill; the conditions are absolutely abnormal, which is where so much more praise is being reserved for him.
Young prodigies come along and even shine in that role, but you should take a moment and think how many rose to such prominence at 18 and with so few professIonal games under their belt. Once you’ve done that, ask yourself how many of those have done it at a club of the pressure and standing of a Manchester United. Context is everything. The odds on him going to the Euros aren’t even that long, why is that? No matter what the fans think, why haven’t the bookmakers offered odds you can make a huge turnaround on if your ‘speculative’ punt turns out to be true?
Another factor with valuing young prodigies is that they are ‘unsellable’ and giant clubs simply scoff and make it entirely impossible to buy their jewels in the crown. Pedri, Kimmich, Busquets and so on and so forth were assuredly not viable targets for other clubs, hence bids did not come in for them. Mainoo is lining up to be in that bracket and United’s obstacle, unlike those aforementioned players’ clubs, is the player himself might move on to pastures new if not competing for leagues and CL’s, at which point the unsaleable will potentially have a price on his head.
Onana is a meme. He's Bosnich but more shite.Garnacho is nowhere near 70-100 million
In what way?
Agree with most of your post.1. Altay Bayindir (G) - Zero. No one will be stupid enough to pay a fee to us for a back-up.
22. Tom Heaton (G) - Zero. Will probably be released at the end of the season.
24. Andre Onana (G) - 10 m with us paying half his wages, which surely are ludicrous.
2. Victor Lindelof (CD) - 10m-15m
5. Harry Maguire (CD) - 10m, with us making up for the wage gap.
6. Lisandro Martinez (CD) - 30m-35m, his actual worth. No way near the 57m (was it with add-ons) we paid for him.
12. Tyrell Malacia (LB) - 5m
19. Raphael Varane (CD) - Will leave on a free at the end of the season. 6 months left on the contract.
20. Diogo Dalot (RB; FB) - 25m
23. Luke Shaw (LB; CD) - 25m
29. Aaron Wan-Bissaka (RB) - 15m
35. Jonny Evans (D) - Zero
53. Willy Kambwala (D) - Can't comment.
7. Mason Mount (AM; CM) - 15m with us covering half his wages.
8. Bruno Fernandes (AM; CM; RM; SS) - 60m, if get lucky and the Saudis come calling. Otherwise 30m with us covering a portion of the wages.
14. Christian Eriksen (CM; AM) - 5m
46. Hannibal Mejbri (CM) - Hopefully 10m.
18. Casemiro (DM; CM) - 25m, if the Saudis come calling. Otherwise we are struck with him till the end of his contract.
28. Facundo Pellistri (RM) - 10m, if we are lucky.
37. Kobbie Mainoo (CM; DM) - 30m-40m
39. Scott McTominay (AM; CM) - 10m
44. Daniel Gore (AM; CM; RM; LM) - Can't comment
17. Alejandro Garnacho (LWF; RWF) - 60m
21. Antony (RWF) - Zero. A few loans with us covering the wages and then will leave on a free.
10. Marcus Rashford (LWF; CF; RWF) - 45m
9. Anthony Martial (CF) - Zero
11. Rasmus Hojlund (CF; RWF) - 25m
16. Amad Diallo (RWF) - 20m
25. Jadon Sancho (RWF; LWF; AM; SS) - Zero. Loans with us covering a part of the wages and then he'll leave on a free.
Onana is a meme. He's Bosnich but more shite.
Whats good for Ajax in a puppet league ain't necessarily good for us. Look up the manager for reference. At Inter in the Italian league his weaknesses were glaring. Due to us bending over backwards for the managers whim, he is at United. If he was put on the market today not even Spurs would go for him.He went to La Masia, then was great for Ajax, great for Inter and he's an established international. When we bought him, his stock was very high. A few months of horrendous form won't tarnish his whole career.
Whats good for Ajax in a puppet league ain't necessarily good for us. Look up the manager for reference. At Inter in the Italian league his weaknesses were glaring. Due to us bending over backwards for the managers whim, he is at United. If he was put on the market today not even Spurs would go for him.
He is probably the best 18 years old out there, so it’s impossible we would sell him for anything lower than 100m. It’s called protecting future valuable assets. Who knows he could flop or he could become another Bellingham who could worth over 200m.Which club has ever offered 100m pounds for an 18 years old player?
Mainoo is good and priceless but we do not really know how good he will really become. No one will go close to 100m or so for a central midfielder with 5-10 senior matches.
The only people who would value Mainoo at £100m are deluded United fansHe is probably the best 18 years old out there, so it’s impossible we would sell him for anything lower than 100m. It’s called protecting future valuable assets. Who knows he could flop or he could become another Bellingham who could worth over 200m.
Whatever. Wouldn’t sell him for any less though. He has been by far our best midfielder this season and he is only 18. He is priceless.The only people who would value Mainoo at £100m are deluded United fans
We doubled our money on Dan James.It's fun to talk about the value of the players, but when was the last time United made huge profit by selling a player? It is just shocking to see how much was spent compared to the return of investments of the last decade.
But the question is market value.Whatever. Wouldn’t sell him for any less though. He has been by far our best midfielder this season and he is only 18. He is priceless.
It’s a hypothetical question, but in reality best 18 years old around who shines in toughest league is priceless in whatever market. Because his value is likely to skyrocket in future.But the question is market value.
He's only played a handful of games, he's only been good in some of them. That happens, it's not abnormal.It’s a hypothetical question, but in reality best 18 years old around who shines in toughest league is priceless in whatever market. Because his value is likely to skyrocket in future.
Yeh maybe wait until end of season we could have better picture. He could be over hyped right now, but no one would selling their “over hyped” 18 years old, most of them would wait rather than cash in early, unless he is playing for smaller clubs.He's only played a handful of games, he's only been good in some of them. That happens, it's not abnormal.
I think he will turn out very good, but he could also turn out a flop.
If Mainoo played for Arsenal and we were offered £100m, I’d bite your hand off. That’s just short of the British transfer record for a player with 7 league starts.Yeh maybe wait until end of season we could have better picture. He could be over hyped right now, but no one would selling their “over hyped” 18 years old, most of them would wait rather than cash in early, unless he is playing for smaller clubs.