Vaccination of Squad
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Oh I agree with all that. It's just that I'm not surprised they need leaning on, because a lot of people do. Including some who really should know better, but who've fallen down the social media rabbit holes.
I suspect most of them are more apathetic than anti, which should be easy to fix. Of course if any of them remain actively opposed, after their team talks, then I'll probably accuse their agents of manipulation/sabotage
What is a SM forum?
Social media, I presume.
What is a SM forum?
Caf After dark. May be NSFW.
Could not agree more. This is a historic achievement on par with discovery of antibiotics.
Stops people from getting hospitalised
It should be a requirement for all the players to be vaccinated. By the FA, not just our team. It would send a positive message to the public. These players are making millions and they are role models, so they have obligations and it is reasonable to require vaccinations.
It doesn’t do exceptionally well in both…
Nice one Penna…sounds like something Facebook would say…
They don’t call him the virus for nothingI bet Pogba is the anti vax leader
Genuinely curious, where have you seen the 2023 “trial period” revealed as a “bogus fact”?
Look at @Tom Cato causally dropping that girlfriend reference. Ooh la la.
Luckily for us in the U.K we have freedom of speech and expression. Judging by some comments I think they live in a country that doesn’t let them decide for themselves….!
Leave Tom alone, his GF is a science nerd, so she's a catch. All of us are.
Hardly from any reputable source. It's well documented that the vaccines haven't been granted regulatory approval, still being distributed under emergency access.
Given how things are currently, vaccinated people transmitting the virus contrary to previous hopes, I don't understand how you can demand of particular people to get vaccinated. If it was conclusive that getting vaccinated prevented you from transmitting the virus, it would be a different story, leaving aside the fact that the vaccines are still an unknown quantity with regards to standard research and trialling. For one thing, there will hardly be long-term studies with control groups.
And I'm not speaking as an anti-anything, other than wanting all the facts (not the rhetoric and the moralising) presented in transparency with honesty.
edit: given there was a rant-in-waiting there (@WI_Red) I will add that I took vaccination at the earliest opportunity. I still believe it's a risk, but the far lesser risk.
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It's Friday, it's time to party...
I was mid rant on @Bastian's post, but you are right, it's Friday. I am going to go get whisky and walk the dog instead. We are doomed. The loss of faith in science and scientists in lieu of some fecktard on facebook will doom us as a species. I can tell people I have a PhD in this field, calmly explain how vaccines work, copy/pasta volumes of peer reviewed articles, but at the end of the day uncle Bob in Alabama or Tucker fecking Carlson holds more sway. I am going to go whisky now.
Well that’s a lie, 40% of covid patients in hospital are jabbed!
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"sack em if they don't get vaccinated"
FFS some people live in the dark ages.
Vaccines are great but we also know the more people vaccinated the more it can force the virus into mutating into a variant that evades the vaccine - so when people say getting the vaccine will help end all this - it's not fully true.
Vaccines protect the person who has had it but when people claim getting vaccinated will save other peoples lives - this again isn't fully true because it doesn't stop transmission completely.
It's wrong to encourage people to get vaccinated by saying it will save other peoples lives and for me that's as bad as being an anti vaxxer.
Adults should make their own decisions, if they are stupid enough to think Covid is a hoax and crap like that after all this time - fine but I have absolutely no issue with people who look after themselves thinking they can beat Covid.
Imagine telling someone he's sacked if he doesn't get vaccinated, so he gets vaccinated and then dies of a blood clot, this is why I think it should be the persons choice, because people should make their own decisions and whether that turns out to be the right or wrong decision - it was their own decision.
FFS some people live in the dark ages.
Vaccines are great but we also know the more people vaccinated the more it can force the virus into mutating into a variant that evades the vaccine - so when people say getting the vaccine will help end all this - it's not fully true.
Vaccines protect the person who has had it but when people claim getting vaccinated will save other peoples lives - this again isn't fully true because it doesn't stop transmission completely.
It's wrong to encourage people to get vaccinated by saying it will save other peoples lives and for me that's as bad as being an anti vaxxer.
Adults should make their own decisions, if they are stupid enough to think Covid is a hoax and crap like that after all this time - fine but I have absolutely no issue with people who look after themselves thinking they can beat Covid.
Imagine telling someone he's sacked if he doesn't get vaccinated, so he gets vaccinated and then dies of a blood clot, this is why I think it should be the persons choice, because people should make their own decisions and whether that turns out to be the right or wrong decision - it was their own decision.
yes vaccinations put selective pressure on the virus which is why a rapid, complete vaccination effort is an absolute must. The longer that people take to get vaccinated to more time the virus has to adapt to selective pressure. There is literal physical proof of this working on the arms of pretty much anyone over 60. We globally eradicated smallpox. Sad to say that if we tried that now it would fail due to this kind of mindset.
absolutely not true. Immunocompromised individuals, people on immunosuppressive medication, and others with various diseases are unable to get vaccinated. These individuals absolutely count on the rest of us to be responsible by getting vaccinated. Also, vaccinations reduce the window in which, and the frequency by which, a person can infect others. It is by reducing these windows, combined with the personal protection provided, that allow vaccines to end disease.
addressed above and such a horrific take I struggle to not scream
I’m done. We are all fecked.
Wasn't aware of this. Can you refer me to a source so I can read up on that.
Just 3 examples of the data. There is tonne of data on this. Let's see if you respond to this.
Strong believer in that.
I hope this feeling is due to amplification by social media and this has always existed.
Edit: if we are talking about any transmission, then yes. But transmission is nevertheless not as much as in unvaccinated
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Because you asked nicely
I will put off this lovely “Scotch style” Alabama whiskey for a few.https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2107058
Essentially what this paper, and many like it, show is that the viral load of a vaccinated person is significantly lower than an unvaccinated person. Also, and I can’t remember if this paper looked at it, the length of active infection is also reduced. By reducing the viral load, and length of time active virus persists, we reduce the length of time a person is infectious and also how infectious they are.
My daughter had to do a presentation on 'her idol' at primary school. She had no idea who to pick (she's in third grade), so we suggested Katalin Karikó and she went with it. Next, my wife found out she knows someone on LinkedIn who knows Karikó, so my wife used that connection to tell Karikó about the presentation. She actually responded and was quite happy about it. She seemed like a lovely person. And my daughter is now definitely rooting for her to get that Nobel that she absolutely deserves! (Not that my daughter knows what a Nobel is, but anyway.
)See above.
My daughter had to do a presentation on 'her idol' at primary school. She had no idea who to pick (she's in third grade), so we suggested Katalin Karikó and she went with it. Next, my wife found out she knows someone on LinkedIn who knows Karikó, so my wife used that connection to tell Karikó about the presentation. She actually responded and was quite happy about it. She seemed like a lovely person. And my daughter is now definitely rooting for her to get that Nobel that she absolutely deserves! (Not that my daughter knows what a Nobel is, but anyway.
Along with (and I am going to butcher this) Turechi(??) and Suhin
My daughter had to do a presentation on 'her idol' at primary school. She had no idea who to pick (she's in third grade), so we suggested Katalin Karikó and she went with it. Next, my wife found out she knows someone on LinkedIn who knows Karikó, so my wife used that connection to tell Karikó about the presentation. She actually responded and was quite happy about it. She seemed like a lovely person. And my daughter is now definitely rooting for her to get that Nobel that she absolutely deserves! (Not that my daughter knows what a Nobel is, but anyway.
See above.
Guaranteed.
That argument is meaningless in the context of this thread though. Apart from that the mRNA concerns seem wholly unfounded (per what's been posted before), there are now actually two, and soon three, types of vaccines available. So if any United player is worried about mRNA vaccines, they can take AstraZeneca, Johnson & Johnson, and soon also Novavax.
You seem to misunderstand what this means - and it is indeed also misrepresented in that article. (I was wondering who this ends up in the BMJ, but it is explained in this article on Peter Doshi.) These vaccines haven't been given temporary permission in lieu of proper trials because of their importance; it's a procedural thing that has been fast tracked to accommodate a quick roll-out. The trials were fine and complete. This is why the EU's EMA, after taking a little longer, approved vaccines through a full permission. (Which Doshi conveniently omits to mention. Where he says 'Europe' in the fourth paragraph, he should have said 'Britain'.)
So what you're saying here...
...is simply not true. The vaccines that have gone to market have gone through all the required trials and will not need to be further tested for the population groups that they have already been approved for. Yes, they've gone quicker through their trials than used to be customary, but that has actually been one of the benefits of COVID-19: it has pushed through progress in that field that will be lasting and will speed up trials considerably in the future.
Astra in fact delivers DNA using adenovirus vectors, same as Sputnik. That DNA the translates to mRNA insider the cells. Moderna & Pfizer deliver mRNA directly using artificiall lipid spheres.
Oh yeah, absolutely, it will be shared. Karikó has stood out for me when I read about the subject (Weissman is another name here; although I have to admit I keep forgetting who's who and even had to look up Karikó's name again just now
), but she hasn't been working in isolation, of course.Oh yeah, absolutely, it will be shared. Karikó has stood out for me when I read about the subject (Weissman is another name here; although I have to admit I keep forgetting who's who and even had to look up Karikó's name again just now
Since the most amazingly annoying T-storm is literally sitting on top of us and not moving I guess I can post a bit more.
If anyone is interested this is a fascinating review of mRNA vaccine technology. Why fascinating? Because it came out in January of 2018!!! Even then there was big excitement around the topic. The sticking point was the carrier system. The efficacy of injected mRNA had been known since the 90's, but human trials showed frustratingly lower antibody generation compared to the earlier animal models. THAT is the secret sauce of these vaccines. Moderna (who makes an appearance in the paper) and Pfizer/Biontech "cracked" the code of finding a carrier that could both get the mRNA safely into cells and also boost immunogenicity.
mRNA vaccines — a new era in vaccinology | Nature Reviews Drug Discovery
Here in Sweden no reNewed government purchase of DNA-Vector based Covid Vaccine (mainly AstraZeneca) will happen once the current national stock runs out. It's only going to be mRNA vaccines going forward. It's indeed nice tech, efficient and the way of the future for many types of treatments, not only vaccines.
Vaccine deniers will be the sole reason why this pandemic will rage on for a decade.
Right now, it's the Delta variant. It's spreading and spreading fast. What it turns into next nobody knows. Currently the vaccines prevent significant damage upon infection. But that could change the rate at which the anti-vaxxers joyfully carry and spread the disease.
Let's get this one fact really clear. A vaccine's primary motive is to prevent death. Then hospitalisation and finally, the spread of disease. Currently, until the delta variant, the vaccines could manage the viral load build up upon infection, but Delta has changed that according to an early study by the CDC. But, it's early! Lot more detail to come.
Here's the final point: If we don't take these vaccines now, prepare for a mutation that will screw us all. There is more of a realistic chance of an apocalyptic mutation than fecking DNA mutation ffs.
Our players need to be re-educated and told to vaccinate. If not, they can feck right off.
Right now, it's the Delta variant. It's spreading and spreading fast. What it turns into next nobody knows. Currently the vaccines prevent significant damage upon infection. But that could change the rate at which the anti-vaxxers joyfully carry and spread the disease.
Let's get this one fact really clear. A vaccine's primary motive is to prevent death. Then hospitalisation and finally, the spread of disease. Currently, until the delta variant, the vaccines could manage the viral load build up upon infection, but Delta has changed that according to an early study by the CDC. But, it's early! Lot more detail to come.
Here's the final point: If we don't take these vaccines now, prepare for a mutation that will screw us all. There is more of a realistic chance of an apocalyptic mutation than fecking DNA mutation ffs.
Our players need to be re-educated and told to vaccinate. If not, they can feck right off.
That’s because the groups that are anti vax are milking the money from these idiots at the moment and that money in turn is used to pump more fake news out there, which gets to more weak minded people who pre internet would be normal people but are now sucked down these rabbit holes.
Yes, I'm fully aware that Mark Zuckerberg will go down in history as hated and reviled as Hitler. Facebook has become an echo chamber so powerful that all it's users are brainwashed by their algorithms. They number in the billions...
One day far in the future, after an event horizon moment where people have done something so crazy and beyond the pale, because Joe from Crawley posted evidence of the contrary to what convention dictated... we will look back and wonder why...
Or we skip through the event horizon back to the dark ages....
"You know, if we bathe and reduce the rodent population we might beat the plague!"
"Nah, Tucker from Foxshire say baths let the devil in and I saw Mary's post in the town square that rats aren't real."
Antivax for me remains the greatest mystery why it's still exist in this day and age.
It has been proved successfully over decades with how it handles polio and chickenpox, and yet somehow there are people who thinks, "nahh not buying that".
It has been proved successfully over decades with how it handles polio and chickenpox, and yet somehow there are people who thinks, "nahh not buying that".