Now The Beach is on, I'm watching that now....now thats how to feck up a book. They change it, but for no reason. Di Caprio's character is a twat who steals his mate's girl and then sleeps with some other bird, neither of which happen in the book...It's baffling as to why these two twatish things are included in the film cos instead of rooting for Richard (DI Caprio) you actually end up wanting him to feck it up....Pointless
V For Vendetta
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I like watching things that get me angry...then I can shout at them and feel better 
A large part of the time, when a book is adapted to a feature length film the audience is opened up considerably, and so they have to make it more accessible. Albeit by adding new key scenes, getting rid of some, or tampering with the characters' intrinsic make-up.
You mean fecking it up?
Most adaptations are written by hacks as they spend too much on acquiring the rights. I actually quite like adaptations if they are done by a creative director who is willing to add some exposition and maybe change a few things but as long as they understand the source material. A frame for frame film verson of a book is pretty dull most of the time.
A lot of the enjoyment of a film is how the charachters you percieved in your mind are portrayed on film. I can forgive some plot changes if they at least get the basics right, but unfortunately few do.
Agreed Alwyn...especially if said thing is dated and/or a novella too long to condense. Both of these things are true of V for Vendetta..It was about 80s Thatcherism and a long series of comics. It was updated and condensed...I think they did it as well as they could
The Beach however isn't dated and was perfect for a film adaptation...for some reason however, someone decided they needed Di Caprio to get with a fit bird, and the horror of the final chapters tonned down. These decisions were probably made by executives or studio idiots. Both of them remove 2 of the main points from the book. Richard is a decent bloke (not a twat) who gradually decends into darknes, and that paradise collapses (and becomes facist) once you're willing to compromise your beliefs to protect it...Instead, the film tells us that Americans are arrogant twats and Hippies are useless idiots...Both are certainly true, but nowhere near as poignant.
The weird thing is that it was written by the original writer!!
The Beach however isn't dated and was perfect for a film adaptation...for some reason however, someone decided they needed Di Caprio to get with a fit bird, and the horror of the final chapters tonned down. These decisions were probably made by executives or studio idiots. Both of them remove 2 of the main points from the book. Richard is a decent bloke (not a twat) who gradually decends into darknes, and that paradise collapses (and becomes facist) once you're willing to compromise your beliefs to protect it...Instead, the film tells us that Americans are arrogant twats and Hippies are useless idiots...Both are certainly true, but nowhere near as poignant.
The weird thing is that it was written by the original writer!!
Yeah but thats impossible. The greatest thing about books is that you can use your imagination to create the characters...in a film its done for you..you'll never please everyone cos to you, V is one thing and sounds like Elvis, to another he is something else and sounds like Batman
Your kind of paraphrasing what I said!
I'm not too worried about voices, it's more how the charachters are played, I'm not that precious.
What good is a phone, when... you can't talk, Mr Anderson?
Yeah but that was based on real life so it doesn't count
The great Morpheus; we meet at last.
Good movie, nothing special though, I was actually disappointed after having watched the trailers, the movie was good it just lacked je ne sais pas
Why do my eyes hurt?
Because you've never used them before
Because you've never used them before
You got to be kidding mate, I thought Hugo Weaving was brilliant as V. Good casting that. But you do have a point ... Alan Moore always employed the distorted speech bubbles for his characters that wore masks ...like Rorschach and V. But hissing aloud those long speeches might not have worked on screen i guess.
Can you hear me, Morpheus? I'm going to be honest with you: I hate this place. This zoo. This prison. This reality, whatever you want to call it. I can't stand it any longer. It's the smell- if there is such a thing. I feel... saturated by it. I can taste your stink and every time I do, I fear that I've somehow been infected by it. It's repulsive, isn't it? I must get out of here. I must get free and in this mind is the key, my key. Once Zion is destroyed there is no need for me to be here, do you understand? I need the codes. I have to get inside Zion and you have to tell me how. You're going to tell me or you're going to die.
“Don’t try to bend the spoon – that’s impossible. Instead only try to realize the truth.” “What truth?” “There is no spoon. Then you’ll see that it is not the spoon that bends, only yourself.”
Bender
Can you imagine how confused Spoony would get if he was Neo?
One pill makes you larger, and one pill makes you small.
And the ones that mother gives you don't do anything at all.
Go ask Alice, when she's ten feet tall.
And the ones that mother gives you don't do anything at all.
Go ask Alice, when she's ten feet tall.
It's not weird - both book and film are unmitigated shite, it's just a choice between six-hour constipation or two-hour diarrhoea.
True-ish..but at least the Richard in the book is a decent bloke. The one in the film is a total twat..yet we're supposed to root for him?
I can't remember the details thank feck. I read the book first and was amazed at how utterly shite such a bigged-up effort was. A few years later I watched the film and was not amazed to find they'd made a turd of a movie out of it. Actually I vaguely remember the movie being worse.
There's a lot of crap films that help ruin themselves by making the good guy a bigger twat than anyone else in the movie. Most of them have no "meaning" though.
Jumper, for example. Here's some example of the good guy's "heroic" behaviour;
robs banks, then frames his best mate; finds a new mate, and electricutes him; tricks his dad into thinking he's going crazy; lies to his girlfriend, dumps her in the middle of the desert, then scares her into liking him again; refuses to kill the bad guy in some smug and obviously false attempt to prove he's a better person.
Captain Kirk was a right twat in the new Star Wars film as well. I spent most of the film wanting him to die. Spok became instantly likable by attempting to throttle him to death
Jumper, for example. Here's some example of the good guy's "heroic" behaviour;
robs banks, then frames his best mate; finds a new mate, and electricutes him; tricks his dad into thinking he's going crazy; lies to his girlfriend, dumps her in the middle of the desert, then scares her into liking him again; refuses to kill the bad guy in some smug and obviously false attempt to prove he's a better person.
Captain Kirk was a right twat in the new Star Wars film as well. I spent most of the film wanting him to die. Spok became instantly likable by attempting to throttle him to death
Oh !! That's terrible, and you should have not logged in to discuss such things. There's obviously just a very jealous man sat at home. There we are. Perhaps it's the angle, I don't know.
This is on tonight. 9pm BBC3.
Voilà! In view, a humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicariously as both victim and villain by the vicissitudes of fate. This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is a vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished. However, this valorous visitation of a bygone vexation stands vivified, and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin vanguarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition. The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous. Verily, this vichyssoise of verbiage veers most verbose, so let me simply add that it's my very good honor to meet you and you may call me V.
Watched it. Disliked it very much.
Might be watchable if at least 30 minutes got trimmed out in the edit. But only just.
Yeah it failed to deceive for me. 4/10
I tried to watch this once but it made me more and more angry as it went on. I only managed 30 minutes or so. I can't remember why I had that reaction to it, I seem to vaguely recall that it might have been because it was utter shit.
I'd echo this only it flattered rather than failed to deceive for me and i'd give it a 5/10.
"Failed to decieve" tee hee
I watched it for the first time last night and thought it was reasonable. Although to be fair, I was only half watching. I didnt quite understand the relevance at the start of the bit with the girl being imprisoned - I think i missed the very beginning, but it just seemed like a random footnote to the main storyline and not really related.
I watched the 1st hour and I was a bit 'meh' then the bad weather caused my sky to lose it's signal, so that was that.
Gotta love Natalie Portman though
For those in the UK, its on BBC Three on Saturday.
It was on last night hence the bump.
Havent actually seen this flick. Have to get my finger out judging by this positive comments on this thread!
Hectic - you actually watched it 4 nights in a row? Thats the kinda carry-on I get up to - fair play man
Hectic - you actually watched it 4 nights in a row? Thats the kinda carry-on I get up to - fair play man
Havent actually seen this flick. Have to get my finger out judging by this positive comments on this thread!
Hectic - you actually watched it 4 nights in a row? Thats the kinda carry-on I get up to - fair play man
Hectic - you actually watched it 4 nights in a row? Thats the kinda carry-on I get up to - fair play man
Good movie I thought.
I once watched Serenity three nights in a row but that's about the limit.