Utds treatment of Jimmy Murphy

So say if a new manager comes into Utd who doesn't want Fergies input, then Fergie should be given a handshake and a goodbye and sent on his way then should he?

Also why do we have people like Robson, Charlton etc acting as ambassadors, they've outlived their usefulness surely?

If a new manager comes in after SAF quits and he doesn't want him there then yes, SAF should hold his place.

People like Charlton were given an ambassador role and they took it. They were also a face for the club. Jimmy Murphy wasn't and he liked it that way.
 
I don't understand why people are even discussing this. I think in the end everybody agrees that a person who's had such an influence on the club, should have been treated with a lot more respect and appreciation. No supporter of Manchester United can, hands on their heart, say that they don't think the person who happens to be (one of) the biggest reason the club is still here today, didn't deserve more.
 
If a new manager comes in after SAF quits and he doesn't want him there then yes, SAF should hold his place.

People like Charlton were given an ambassador role and they took it. They were also a face for the club. Jimmy Murphy wasn't and he liked it that way.

Do you know something the author of the piece didn't?

Thats sort of why I started the thread, hoping someone could offer some more insight.
 
Tom doesn't think he wasn't treated so badly, so I'll take his word over poppers. In fact, I'm such a big fan of Tom that I'd take his word over Jesus'.

Good points as ever Tom, I'm certain that the majority of my United supporting friends have no clue as to who Jimmy Murphy is.

I didn't write the article.
 
Do you know something the author of the piece didn't?

Thats sort of why I started the thread, hoping someone could offer some more insight.

It's from the United history book I think. Said that he turned down offers from Brazil, Juventus and Arsenal because he wanted to remain an assistant manager.

Murphy chose never to become manager of the club because of his hate of the limelight, he loved working in the background but never aspired to fulfil the job of manager

Seems about right because he had all the abilities to become a manager.
 
That doesn't say he was happy about being shifted sideways and having things like taxi expenses removed to be fair.

The fact that he turned down high profile jobs to remain loyal to Utd is even more reason that he should have been looked after in some capacity IMO.
 
Did I say that it did?

Tom said he got 25k plus a pension. Cutting down taxi expenses don't seem unreasonable considering that he didn't work for the club full time anymore. Also the same man that made those cuts is the same man in your quoted article who praised him the most.

The guy was more than 70 when he quit. Don't know what more you could have wanted really. I think turning down the jobs is more down to not wanting to be a manager rather than just loyalty.

He wasn't treated badly, it happened a long time ago and the club has changed a lot over the years. Was the guy himself unhappy? If he wasn't why should others?
 
Jesus mate not everything has to be an argument, the reason I posted the article was that I was hoping someone could offer a bit more info on it because I'd be saddened if he was treated as badly as it suggests.

I only just saw Tom's post, that paints things in a bit of a better light alright. Murphy's contribution to Utd is something all Utd fans should be aware of, I still think there should be a bigger tribute to him though.
 
However, the case for Jimmy Murphy is a 'special' case, simply and purely because he was very 'special' and contributed so, so much, not only in the development of the club, but also in its salvation in 1958. For me it would be wonderful if one of the remaining stands could be named after him.
I'd love that. Another idea: Naming the academy after him.

I've always been a big fan of Murphy. Both Jim White's United biography and Sir Bobby's recent autobiography (about United, not the one on England) got me even more interested in him, and I really think it's a shame that he's not mentioned as often as he probably should be.

Thank you for even more insight by the way, Tom.
 
I think that the problem with the original article was that the word appallingly was used. For me, it's far too harsh given the circumstances. Shabbily may have been an easier word to use.

I am putting this article below to try and help a lot of our youngser fans (in a nice way) to really understand the importance of Jimmy Murphy and his role during his time at Old Trafford. The original piece was penned back in 2008 by my very dear friend Barney Chilton from Red News. I have taken liberty to add a few things, and a few more eulogies from other people.

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If you take your memories back to the 50th Ainniversary Commemorative Service held at Old Trafford, on 6th February 2008, (and you can still see the clips on YouTube) it may well surprise a lot of people, that of all the tributes that day, the most heartening was those that were given in respect of Jimmy Murphy.

He received more mentions, and accolades, from his peers, and the media than have been heard before, or since, at any anniversary of the Munich tragedy. As I mentioned earlier, there is a bust of him in the museum, and kudos to the club for that, but I do feel that where Jimmy is concerned, there should be a much more tangible recognition for him, than a bust in a museum where people have to pay to get in to see it.

At that commemorative service, Jimmy’s son, Jimmy Junior, gave a terrific eulogy about his father, and his father’s record of quite remarkable achievements in 1958, and also of those before, and after. For the younger members of this forum, read up as much as you can about Jimmy, and get to know just how important he was to the survival, and revival, of the club.

It is probably hard today for a lot of people to understand that we who knew Jimmy through what, and who he was, consider that there has never been enough recognition of his work, and influence, alongside Sir Matt, during their stewardship.

We, and by that I mean United as a club, and us as fans, were so very lucky that Jimmy was not on that fateful flight back in February 1958. Fate decreed that he would be in Cardiff managing the Welsh team in their World Cup qualifier against Israel. As those terrible, terrible, events unfolded in Munich, it meant that there was somebody left behind to grasp the reins and the metal, to keep the club going.

Jimmy was integral to United, not only at the time of Munich, but also before that when he was very instrumental in bringing all those wonderful young lads through the United system who became known as the ‘Busby Babes’. That wasn’t just the first team, but the teams below them as well. He was also an integral cog in the successes after Munich as well, which culminated in that never to be forgotten night at Wembley, in May 1968, when the European cup was won by United for the very first time in their history.

If any of you good people ever have the chance to talk to any of the older former players, you will find that they had nothing but praise for him. Many would tell you that he was a very hard taskmaster, and thought that he could be particularly tough on young players. But if, and when, you do talk to those ex-players, you will find out that there is nothing but tremendous respect, and admiration from them, for the work that Jimmy did at the club.

Jimmy’s work at the club spanned an incredible 35 years – a tremendous achievement in itself. Sir Matt gets all the plaudits, but without doubt, without Jimmy by his side, he would never, ever, have been able to achieve what he did at during his tenure at Old Trafford. David Sadler, when talking to Red News a few years ago was to say:

“Certainly, Jimmy Murphy was the one we saw a lot more of in the normal footballing week, than we did Matt, who we only got to see very occasionally between matches.”

Jimmy was a tough bastard, and didn’t suffer any kind of fool in the football world. But if you look back to those accolades that were given out in that service in February 2008, it became more than abundantly clear that Jimmy Murphy had one love, one passion, and that was Manchester United, even to the detriment of his family. Jimmy Junior said that day that his Dad had no hobbies, and that his job when he got up in the morning was to go down to Old Trafford and produce football players. He was a totally blinkered, and driven man even before Munich.

David Sadler will tell you that there were two definitive sides to Jimmy. The very hard, tough, shouting, cursing one, and on the other side, the softer, gentler, quiet spoken Welshman. Bobby Charlton recalled at the memorial service;

“I was sorry for Jimmy when the accident happened. He always figured himself as a Number two, and then suddenly, he had to make a whole lot of important decisions, and he did a marvelous job. He was in love with the game more than he loved anything else, and that’s a very difficult thing to say when his family are here present. He knew exactly how to make you a better player. I became a professional from an amateur, and that was down purely to Jimmy."

In a lot of ways, that drive, that commitment is obviously something which we can relate to today with Sir Alex, but there are so many stages of United’s history under Matt, and Jimmy, that it is difficult to know where to start. Of course, the immediate aftermath of Munich is what will always be brought up first whenever Jimmy is mentioned, and one should look at the huge task that he had.

In the immediacy, he had to try and find a team to put together, and play well enough to keep United in the First Division. Remember, only two players came back from Munich fit enough to play – Harry Gregg, and Bill Foulkes. Others returned in the following weeks and months – Bobby Charlton, Kenny Morgans, and Dennis Viollet, but he had to make and mend with kids from the Reserve and A team, as well as two quick signings. He had to find time to see the families of those that lost their loved ones, and also those that were seriously injured. He had to find time to attend funerals of boys who had been so close to him. He found time to go over to Munich to see how those still injured were progressing.

One of the saddest things that happened, wass with all this going on around him, Jimmy was ‘tapped up’ by some of the leading clubs in the First Division to leave United and join them. How easy it would have been for him to just walk away from all the carnage going on around him? How reprehensible of those other clubs to make their approaches at such a time? But just like today, there was a lot of jealousy in the game, and there was more than a few club chairmen who would have been more than happy to see the demise of Manchester United – two in particular – one in Lancashire, and one in London.

This was a man who had just seen eight of his young players lose their lives, and three of his best friends (Bert Whalley, Tom Curry, and Walter Crikmer) lose theirs, and of course his boss was lying in the hospital critically injured. This is what Jimmy felt, and in his own words;

“To the generation which has grown up since then, those players, and friends, may be just names. But to me they were Matt’s boys. My boys! I had seen them come to Old Trafford as part of Matt’s master plan to build the greatest team in Europe….. and now they were gone. Seven of the greatest players ever assembled in one club wiped out, and the greatest of them all, Duncan Edwards, fighting for his life. I was like a man living through a nightmare waiting to wake up. I locked the door, put my head on the desk, and wept like a child. Only last Monday I had waved cheerio to them: “See you on Thursday lads….. see you do a good job.” They did. They had won through to the semi-final of the European Cup. Now they were gone. At the very moment when they had the world of soccer at their feet."

Jimmy learned of the accident at 4p.m. on the Thursday afternoon when he arrived back from Cardiff and had gone straight to Old Trafford. His secretary Alma George broke the news to him upon his arrival at the ground. Jimmy never could recall what happened during the next twelve hours. It was 4a.m. the following morning when he decided to go home. All he knew was that there had been a bottle of Scotch in his office cabinet, and when he went back the following morning, it was on his desk – empty.

That same morning he flew to Munich with the families of those lost and injured. As they landed they had to endure the sight of the shattered remains of the stricken BEA aircraft lying beyond the airport perimeter fence. It must have been heart rendering. Again, Jimmy recalled:

“I went to the hospital and Harry Gregg, Bill Foulkes, and Bobby Charlton, kept chattering non-stop about everything and anything that had happened. But what they were saying made no impact upon my brain. At any moment I expected to see Tommy Taylor’s beaming face coming through the door; or Big Dunc creeping up behind me and giving me thwack in the back with a “Hya! Jimmy…..

Matt had been given the last rites, and close by lay the best player we ever had at Old Trafford, Duncan Edwards. Duncan’s left thigh was a mess, and he had severe kidney damage, and had he lived, it was doubtful that he would have ever have played again. He lay dying, but nothing could ever quench the the great spirit and courageous heart of this young boy.”


The following story is often regarded as myth, or even urban legend, but I can assure you that it is not. Again, these are Jimmy’s own words:

“But I knew. In one of his conscious moments the Boss waved a feeble hand for me to come to his side. I had to bend low over his bed to catch his words as his hand gripped my hand: “Keep the flag flying Jimmy” he whispered. “Keep things going tillI get back.

At that moment Matt didn’t even know how many of his boys had been killed. I did. I stumbled out of the hospital into the snow which still lay as thick as a carpet over the city of Munich, I was in tears.

“Yes….. I’ll keep things going Matt …..but where am I going to find the players…..? Where am I going to find the players?”

“I traveled back with Foulkes and Gregg, and amid all the tragedy and sorrow, I had to get a team together from somewhere…..My heart ached for these two players ….. I don’t mind admitting, I felt like crying …. Ten years of hard work and planning had been wiped out in a flash.”


However did Jimmy Murphy cope in that first week after the tragedy – it does not bear thinking about the pressures that he must have felt and been under.

“How can I describe what it was like? I was completely alone, isolated. There was no Matt Busby, no Bert Whalley. No one I could talk with on my level as far as the team was concerned. Then the coffins started to arrive at the ground. We put them in the old gymnasium. And there were all the funerals. And all the time I was wondering where I could get players. The League game against Wolves had been postponed, but things had to be done quickly. No one knows what I went through during that time.”

But not only had Matt asked him to keep the red flag, and club, going, but Director, Harold Hardman spoke to him on his return:

“You have got to keep it going, Jimmy. Manchester United is bigger than you...bigger than me...bigger than Matt Busby. It is bigger than anybody. The club must go on”.

It is sad I feel, that the club are remiss for not recognising Jimmy in the way that he should be. It was sad what happened to him. He retired in 1971 when the Club pensioned him off when Busby stood down. Nick Murphy (Jimmy’s son) explains that he still went down there every day:

“It was his whole life. Manchester United was his whole life. He loved the place, loved going there, he couldn't keep away”.

In his book ‘A Strange Kind of Glory’, former United reserve team player Eamon Dunphy, now an accredited journalist and author was to say:

“Once Busby retired and Frank O’Farrell took over, jimmy’s role at united was clarified. After a long wait he was given 25,000 pounds as a retirement settlement, and a scouting job at 25pounds a week. The scouting job was really a sinecure during the Busby/McGuinness era. In football terms he’d been pushed to the margins of the club he loved. He was almost a non-person. This uncomfortable existence was made worse by the decisions taken by the Board which Jimmy knew was really Sir Matt.. He’d never driven a car. For several years he’d made the journey from Whalley range to Old Trafford in a black cab provided at the club’s expense. The fare was 3pounds each way. Jimmy received a letter from Les Olive informing him that the arrangement was being discontinued, Hw as also informed that united would no longer pay his telephone bills.”

Nicky Murphy recalls his father’s hurt:

“My dad was never interested in money, but the football side of things meant everything to him. He never ever said anything against Sir Matt or the club, but he was very hurt. He couldn’t understand it. He had a lot to contribute. He turned to British rail, and it was funny really. I know that it sounds unbelievable, but for years afterwards, when Dad made the journey by rail, he’d make the journey without a ticket. The railway guards knew him so they never ever asked to see his ticket. He’d just wave and walk through the barrier!”

After Frank O’Farrell’s acrimonious departure, Tommy Docherty did bring jimmy back into the fold. He scouted for Docherty and it’s a little known fact about what Jimmy achieved in those last years. He found that classic pair of wingers Steve Coppell, and Gordon Hill. He spotted Peter Beardsley playing for Carlisle. He also spotted Paul Parker (who eventually joined United). Stuart ‘Pancho’ Pearson, Gary McAllister, and Ray Houghton who went to play for other clubs. Tommy Doc will tell you – he never even saw Coppell play before he signed him. He just took Jimmy's advice. Sadly the jewel that United missed was a young reserve team striker at Leicester City. Jimmy advised United to sign him at the earliest opportunity, but his advice was ignored. The player in question was a young Gary Linneker.
 
Nick Murphy recalls Jimmy talking about Beardsley:

“My dad saw him first playing as an out and out striker. He wasn’t impressed. He thought that Beardsley should play as a sort of advanced midfield player.”

One night during a conversation with his son in the Throstle’s Nest pub, he exclaimed to Nicky:

“Why should I bother my arse going down there, nobody listens.”

Norman Whiteside remembers his early days:

“If I ever saw Busby or Murphy, around Old Trafford, they were wonderfully encouraging and complimentary. I wouldn't have thought they would have bothered giving someone potentially so insignificant the time of day, but whenever I bumped into them they would say: ‘I hear you're doing well’ and ‘keep going’, building me up all the time.”

Paddy Crerand explained Murphy's time - of the man who loved a few pints talking football and life, with a smoke, who called everyone ‘son’ and admitted:

“I found it hard to make out with the small talk” - as such in his recent autobiography “Never Turn the Other Cheek”:

“Munich didn't just destroy Jimmy's life in seconds, he lost his great friends including Whalley. He virtually ran the club during Matt's recovery in hospital, re-arranging fixtures and signing players. A proud Welshman from a little village in the Rhondda Valley, he still took Wales to the quarter-finals of the World Cup in the summer of 1958. He stayed loyal to United despite lucrative offers from Arsenal, Juventus, and the Brazilian national team. High profile jobs were never for Jimmy, he was far happier teaching youngsters”.

On Murphy's treatment, Crerand added:

“Jimmy was cut out and clearly very upset at his diminishing role at the club. It seems that no-one at United gave much thought to what Jimmy would do and while he stayed on at Old Trafford, he didn't really have a role. He should have been treated better by a club he had served so well. Jimmy had even camped outside player's houses, refusing to leave until their parents signed United's forms.”

That isn't to say behind the deep respect from the players - his players - there wasn't fear. Crerand:

“Jimmy was a more aggressive foil for Matt. He would say, ‘fecking sort so and so out, Pat."

Bobby Charlton:

“My whole career from the age of 15 was linked with Jimmy Murphy. He was so intense he used to frighten me. He was hell to work for and at times I used to hate him but I owe more to Jimmy than any other single person in football. Everything he did was for a purpose and I am grateful to him. The success of Manchester United is a testimony to his work”.

Alex Dawson is too much of a gentlemen to repeat in print the swear words Murphy aired at the time but I loved his tale from that FA Cup game against West Brom in 1958:

“I don’t know what came over the West Brom manager, Vic Buckingham, saying things like: “We’re sorry for what happened to United. But we won’t stop at 10 goals” before the game. Jimmy was right up! He gave us this team talk, well the words, ‘effing’ this, he was really going, Jim! ‘Now I’ve told you how to beat them and when we do, I’ll go in there and I’ll piss all over them”. You never saw Matt really angry, but you knew, you knew he wouldn’t show it but underneath he was annoyed. Jimmy gave us team talks, and when the game was finished he’d say: “Well done, I tell you, that’s how to do it”.


And of course to the 50th anniversary, where mentions of Murphy littered the memorial service. At last! Harry Gregg stole the show, with his description that Murphy's tongue “could cut teeth” and the coaching set up was described thus by Jimmy Junior:

“Matt was the architect, my Dad the master builder, who went out to get the materials with Bert Whalley laying the foundations.”

David Meek later that week admitted:

“I don't think he was appreciated enough after Munich. There was a real danger of the club going out of existence.”

And Paul McGuinness - (a great speech) himself - talked of Murphy's legacy:

“Jimmy's special one was the Youth Cup, winning five in a row, Jimmy's legacy is the way United (youth to senior) play now”.

Gregg ended with a tale that had everyone smiling:

“I owe Jimmy a lot, he could laugh with you, cry with you and fight with you. Jimmy and Matt were like hand and glove, wonderful people. I hadn't a clue what they were talking about though! Matt would say 'Up together, back together,' Jimmy would say “Attack in strength and defend in depth”.

But of course it will always be to 1958 where we identify his inspiration at work. On turning down the chance to manage elsewhere:

“My heart was at Old Trafford. I wanted to help Matt pick up all the pieces and start all over again. Just like we did in 1946.”

Murphy was at the ground when fans flocked to it upon hearing news of the tragedy:

“Thousands hurried down to the ground to see if they could help; the police threw a protective cordon around relatives and friends who had lost their loved ones. Those of us left at the ground did our best to calm and console the grief stricken. But what word of sympathy could I find to comfort the bereaved. There was nothing to lift the blanket of despair”.

On his return to Manchester from what must have been a heartbreaking trip to Munich:

“I have seen the boys. Limbs and hearts may be broken, but the spirit remains. Their message is that the club is not dead – Manchester United lives on.”

Charlton explained the toll that it must have taken on Murphy:

“Jimmy, typically, was the strongest presence in those days when the Old Man was surviving only with the help of an oxygen tent. He said that we had to fight for our existence – and the memory of the team mates we had lost. He had been through a war when men had to live with the loss of so many comrades, had to fight on through the suffering and live with what was left to them. It was the same now at Manchester United, Jimmy insisted. But later I heard that it was just a front that Jimmy put on. One day he was discovered in a back corridor of the hospital, sobbing his heart out in pain at the loss of so many young players.”

Bill Foulkes:

“The doctors told me that I should go away and have a long holiday away from it all, but how could I? I couldn't stop thinking of poor Jimmy Murphy on his own at Old Trafford”.

Murphy admitted:

“I suffered. I said cheerio to Tommy Taylor, Duncan (Edwards) and all the lads in the gym and told them I would see them on Thursday... when they came back they were in coffins.”

It is testimony to Murphy that so many participants of the era suggest without him United wouldn't be who they are today. The late Colin Webster:

“If Murphy had not been at Old Trafford, the Busy Babes would never have existed. He brought in 80 per cent of them – I don’t think Matt Busy could have done it on his own.”

The late Albert Scanlon on his inspiration:

“I woke up again later in Munich to hear a voice saying: ‘Albert Scanlon will never play football again.’ Jimmy Murphy came in and I was crying and I told him what I had heard. He said: ‘That's not true, Albert, you are all right.’ Given that it came from Jimmy, it was enough for me.”

The late Frank Taylor, the journalist:

“Three men saved Manchester United from oblivion. They are Jimmy Murphy, Bobby Charlton and Matt Busby. But Murphy was the key figure.”

Again, Bill Foulkes:

Jimmy handed the reins back to Matt, and he resumed his role as his able, faithful lieutenant. He had been a tower of strength throughout the post-Munich period and it saddens me to say that I don’t think the club ever fully appreciated the extent of his input, or what it took out of him both physically, and mentally. His loyalty was illustrated shortly afterwards when he spurned the chance of managing Arsenal to continue working alongside Matt at Old Trafford, and while his sheer quality was never in doubt, he emphasised it spectacularly by leading Wales to the quarter-finals of the World Cup only a few short months after the air crash. Manchester United should understand, and never lose sight of the fact, that Jimmy Murphy, who died in 1989, goes down as one of the most loyal, dedicated, and inspirational contributors to their cause in their entire history. His memory deserves to be honoured like few others.”

Again, the late Frank Taylor – the only journalist to survive the disaster:

“Jimmy Murphy worked night and day to prevent Manchester united becoming just another struggling league club. He gave the club back its pride. He forced the players and the supporters to realise that Manchester United could become great again.

Let no one doubt Jimmy Murphy’s contribution to his club. In a sense, he was born to be a backroom boy, at his best with young players in the dressing room, rather than exchanging small talk in the Board Room. In his time, he had plenty of chances of moving up the ladder to become a fully fledged manager himself. He wasn’t interested not even when he was offered the managership of Liverpool, before Bill Shankly took it on.

Once he had signed for Manchester United, to help Matt Busby build his dream club, Jimmy Murphy decided that this would be his mission in life.
An emotional, warm-hearted man to those who know him, fate decreed that Murphy would be the man to start the rebuilding of the club at a time when Busby was fighting for his life. He would not claim any credit because he was not that sort of man.

British sport would be richer if we had more people like Jimmy Murphy around. A loyal servant, a soccer expert in his own right, and yet content to be a No 2 to a man he always rated as No 1 in the game.”


Matt Busby recalled his Assistant as:

"A kindred spirit, together we have shared the triumphs as well as the heartache and tears of Munich. When all seemed lost, Jimmy took over the reins and not only kept the club going, but took it to the 1958 Cup Final. Jimmy's superhuman efforts then were typical of the man, who shuns the spotlight of publicity...his unflagging4 efforts and optimism in those dark and tragic weeks concealed his heartbreak over the loss of such wonderful boys, and gave us the time and opportunity to rebuild Manchester United again until by the 1960s we were once more a power in the game”.

And Murphy ended his own book, 'Matt, United, and Me':

"I know in my heart I made the right decision those many years ago in Bari. And if it were possible to turn back the clock I would still give the same answer: ‘Sure Matt...I'll be happy to join you’. That's what Matt and United have meant to me. I would do it all over again”.

Murphy's son will never stop beating the drum for his father:

“My job is to keep my family memories alive. He deserves credit for what he did. I've got a list of people I'm going to write to who have got things wrong recently in the press, and those that (also) got it right”

But the hope is that all the Reds, and all at the club, listen to it. If there are wrongs to be righted, it is too late to point fingers, or lecture on what should, and should not have been done for Jimmy Murphy in his later years. But what can be done now is something which we could all play a part in, in not only keeping Jimmy Murphy’s memory alive, but which also brings to him the most fitting, and telling tribute, to his contribution to Manchester United.

When this piece was initially penned back in 2008, the initial thought was to have a statue erected next to the one of Sir Matt at the front of the stadium. As I mentioned in an earlier post, four years ago, the Association of Former Manchester United Players, approached the club and asked for the North Stand to be renamed, ‘The Jimmy Murphy Stand’, and as I said, they were turned down flat for a number of nonsensical reasons. However, now a precedent has been set with the naming of that stand ‘The Sir Alex Ferguson Stand’. Surely, the club should now reconsider, and name one of the other stands after this great servant? If that can’t happen then build another statue next to the man he served so loyally. These men who built Manchester United into a dynasty, who kept it going after the disaster, and the partnership that should be seen - in permanent display - for the crucial dual relationship that it so clearly was.

As Matt said:

“It must have been a terrible time for Jimmy and everyone at the club after the crash. It needed someone who, though feeling the heartbreak of the situation, could still keep his head and keep the job going. Jimmy was that man.”

In 1968, Matt, looking back, described bumping into his old friend Murphy and seeing him coach some army lads in Bari in 1945 as:

“One of the most fortunate things that has ever happened to me. This was the man for me! And for nearly 23 years we have marched shoulder to shoulder as comrades in sport, working for a common ideal: to make Manchester United the finest club in Britain, in Europe and the best in the world”.

That they did, and shoulder to shoulder is where both should be hailed for all to see at Old Trafford, in lasting legacy
 
Lovely and yet very sad read that was. I've always known Murphy played a key role in the club's history but never did I truly comprehend just what a massive contribution this man gave to United. He gave his whole being to the club, incredible.
 
Some great stuff as usual from Tom.

It's hard to say whether or how badly treated he was and I'm not suggesting one way or the other but I'd just become an apprentice at this time and 25 quid a week is what tradesmen took home and 25k would've bought him half a dozen houses so he wasn't really treated badly in a financial sense. Some perspective for the younger ones on here.

I think his time probably had come for him to retire but the whole period was badly handled, from Wilf's appointment and the lack of backing he had and general lack of investment in the team.

It does seem he was due more recognition than he was given, sadly.

Even in the early 70s, never mind the late 50s, there wasn't a great deal of social conscience around, such as stress counselling etc and as somebody previously mentioned, you were lucky to get a gold watch and a handshake. This is reflected, to a degree by the amount of publicity the tragedy now attracts compared to the 60s with just a few lines of sympathy in the Evening News classifieds by friends, family and a few, still grieving, supporters.

Times and attitudes have changed a lot.
 
Thats a great piece Tom posted, and forgetting about the symantecs of 'appalling' or 'shabby' it does confirm that the whole situation wasn't handled the best, for me thats very sad, I've always been aware of Jimmys contribution, but I didn't know anything of how he finished his time with us.

In terms of the clubs tribute to him, as I said I've always felt there should be a bigger acknowledgement of him from the club. Everyone who calls themselves a Utd fan has at least some idea of who Busby was and about Munich but I'm not sure the same is true of Jimmy Murphy.
 
Tom ,
This is the single best post and most important post I have read on Red Cafe.
Thank you, a thousand thanks.
 
That's a fabulous read Tom, it made me cry. I just wish that there was something at the ground to remind us of Jimmy every time you go there. The young player award is great, but that is just once a year. I suppose you could say that the clubs existence is testament to to his work
 
Thats a great piece Tom posted, and forgetting about the symantecs of 'appalling' or 'shabby' it does confirm that the whole situation wasn't handled the best, for me thats very sad, I've always been aware of Jimmys contribution, but I didn't know anything of how he finished his time with us.

In terms of the clubs tribute to him, as I said I've always felt there should be a bigger acknowledgement of him from the club. Everyone who calls themselves a Utd fan has at least some idea of who Busby was and about Munich but I'm not sure the same is true of Jimmy Murphy.
A thing we hope changes and Jimmy Murphy is remembered well by the club and fans alike.

Excellent read Tom. It always has been.
 
Well, he's finally got a statue now.
Having read all the posts on this topic, I think Eamon Dunphy's book on Sir Matt (A Strange Kind of Glory) was the first main expose of the disgruntlement Murphy's family felt about the way Jimmy had been treated. I think the balance of commentary is right: £25k was a huge pay off for the early 70s, but some of the treatment was a little shabby and Jimmy's contribution was probably underappreciated by many outside the club. Dunphy hinted that Sir Matt was a little embarrassed about Murphy's toughness (similar sentiments about Tommy Cavanagh in the post-Busby era), and that they drifted apart by the end of Sir Matt's time.
 
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@Muninman - this might be an interesting thread for you, given you said in the Newbies forum that you are interested in historical perspectives on United and football in general.
 
@Muninman - this might be an interesting thread for you, given you said in the Newbies forum that you are interested in historical perspectives on United and football in general.
It certainly is. I've been lurking, reading many forum posts for years and so nice to finally add a small contribution.
 
It certainly is. I've been lurking, reading many forum posts for years and so nice to finally add a small contribution.
Ha, I totally missed that it was actually your post that bumped the thread today! D'oh! :)
 
fecking hell, TomClare didn't do things by halves did he?