https://tribune.com.pk/story/184369...led-500000-people-pak-afghanistan-iraq-study/
For all the sanctimonious finger pointing at Russia that USA likes to do and tries to act like it is some moral leader of the world, it really isnt any better.
US war on terror has killed 500,000 people in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq
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https://tribune.com.pk/story/184369...led-500000-people-pak-afghanistan-iraq-study/
For all the sanctimonious finger pointing at Russia that USA likes to do and tries to act like it is some moral leader of the world, it really isnt any better.
That’s more than the total number of Brits that died in WW2.
Surprised it's being said it's as low as that.
Would be interested to see a breakdown of who’s been killed by who if one exists.
3000 dead on 9/11
80 a day since then
80 a day since then
And all of the people who made it happen still have careers in good standing.
You're probably not going to find specific numbers with in-depth research into the figures, but the original document goes into a bit more detail with their cursory overview...
https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/files/cow/imce/papers/2018/Human Costs, Nov 8 2018 CoW.pdf
It would be impossible. The Taliban and others deny almost any of their own casualties and over-inflate civilian casualties. The best you'll ever get are guesstimates. Whatever the total is, it would be a hell of a lot lower if the other side didn't hide amongst civilians as a tactic.
Eh...Iran?
War of terror
Oh please, the US bombs indiscriminately using drones.
Fixed that for you.
You dont kill almost half a mil people(and thats a low estimate) by choosing your targets. I have lived through US drone attacks on a daily basis so I know their M.O.
And i know people who operate them. They attack where they think the targets are and try very hard to avoid collateral damage. Even the US doesn't drop bombs on people just for fun.
The problem is the targets hide in built up areas and use civilians as shields.
Well i guess that makes it all ok then.
Exactly..... and you think that makes it okay?! So if a mobster decides to hide in my apartment complex I'm fecked too?
The US didn’t kill everyone in that statistic...
If that makes you happy sure, you guys alone didn't kill half a mil people (atleast). You bullied others into doing so to, have a cookie.
But is this the number of people killed by US and allied forces or by all parties? Casualties of US and local government forces are included, so I'm almost certain the table shows estimates of all violent deaths in these wars. The text is a bit vague, but suggests so too, imo.
It's quite awkward to squabble about statistics when it comes to death and destruction on such a massive scale, but to use numbers arbitrarily doesn't help either.
Still, these numbers are possibly only conservative estimates, and there's so much not included: physical and psychological injuries of survivors, deaths indirectly related to war, the whole Syrian war (whose course is at least linked to the Iraqi disaster), the way the turmoil aided the intensification of sectarianism and of the violent Saudi-Iranian rivalry. While it's impossible to cleanly seperate external and internal factors in the Middle East of the last 15-20 years, I think it's safe to say that US interventionism after 2001 has been nothing short of catastrophic for the region.
Agree with everything you have posted there. Thing is even if it's the allied forces, the US did pressure them into doing so. In terms of pakistan, the drones attack were done solely by US, don't think nato was much involved.
And there weren't many if at all any US casualties since it's easy to sit behind a screen and push a button killing a whole family including children just because they aren't US citizens so their life means a lot less.
Ffs
But part of my point was that these numbers seem to include the victims of anti-coalition fighters as well. Civilians killed in terrorist attacks, for example, and there were lots. It will be a minority of the deaths because of the vastly asymmetric military capacities, but the question first posted by Snowjoe remains.
It's irrelevant who did the killing, the question is : Would ~500k people have lost their lives had the US not invaded Afghanistan and Iraq ? And the answer is no, they wouldn't have.
Around 60,000 KIA+WIA, actually.
You could ask the same about had 4 planes not been hijacked on 9/11.
They definitely would have over time since Saddam and the Taliban would've been running the show all this time.
If you accurately count the civilian casualties and ezclude the anti-coalition fighters the nhmber should still be higher so it's a bit plingless debating it.
Source?
You could ask that or any other nonsensical questions. The 9/11 was a terrible deed conducted by a bunch of Saudis. And who did get punished for that? The people of Afghanistan and Iraq. Because why not.
Or if they hadn't decided to make saudia their best friend and promote wahabism through out the Islamic world.
If someone thinks that US are the good guys compared to Russia then there is no hope even discussing, two different sides of same shit cnut coin.
I think most people recognise that most people in the US military aren't indiscriminately bombing for fun. That doesn't disguise the fact that they've still killed an astonishing number of people though, with not that much tangible improvement to show for it. If your tactic continually results in civilian deaths then there's probably a decent argument that you should alter your targets. For those on the ground who get killed or lose loved ones it's not exactly great compensation that the people who killed them weren't intentionally doing so.
why does the us military get to drop bombs halfway across the world
Where was Al Qaeda and the Taliban located?
about 2 and half thousand miles away from iraq
The United States Department of Defense
I’ve never once argued in favor of the war in Iraq. Thanks.
How many were killed in Iraq then? Your diversionary tactics are too, well, American.
Well it was definitely worth it, the world is safe now.
What?
Problem is the us actions indirectly causes more death more than what they drone kills.
Since saddam falls iraq is thrown into a chaotic state, isis, and many other terrorist act can and will somehow be connected as the byproduct of the us war on terror.