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He has only recently turned 22. Which means he is not the finished article and he will be inconsistent.
This..I genuinely can't believe that people can watch football over the last 10 years, and think that playing this way is an actual option. You're literally setting up any RW up for failure in that kind of system because the games all about space and positioning.
The likes of Robertson, TAA, Marcelo, Alba & Alves didn't free up their wingers/forwards to 'attack'. They created space for them in more dangerous areas of the pitch by being a legitimate threat on the wing.
I genuinely can't believe that people can watch football over the last 10 years, and think that playing this way is an actual option. You're literally setting up any RW up for failure in that kind of system because the games all about space and positioning.
The likes of Robertson, TAA, Marcelo, Alba & Alves didn't free up their wingers/forwards to 'attack'. They created space for them in more dangerous areas of the pitch by being a legitimate threat on the wing.
I agree, I don’t think he’s the best going forward but get the right winger in front of him and they can purely stay forward.I assumed when we bought him we would also be buying a right winger. AWB would be expected to defend one on one whilst the winger would be given little defensive responsibility. He’s not good going forward never has been but maybe that wasn’t part of the scouting when we looked at 804 right backs. I do wonder if we bought who we thought best available right back was rather than one that most suited our system.
I genuinely can't believe that people can watch football over the last 10 years, and think that playing this way is an actual option. You're literally setting up any RW up for failure in that kind of system because the games all about space and positioning.
The likes of Robertson, TAA, Marcelo, Alba & Alves didn't free up their wingers/forwards to 'attack'. They created space for them in more dangerous areas of the pitch by being a legitimate threat on the wing.
Don't ask the kid to be something he is not. Pep realizes that Walker isn't Mendy/Cancelo and has a different game for him. It works fine for them.
That is only one way to set up a football team though, admittedly one that has been very popular in the past few years. You can win in different ways, and Walker for example has never played that role for City while they've been winning the league and going deep in Europe.
That’s the obvious part he has missed though, look at how we actually play. It’s all about counter attacking and quick transitions not movement and passing etc.
First game against City this season we left our wide players high up the pitch and then we beat the press they were in on goal. AWB was one on one against Sterling and excelled, that’s how you get best out of him (not as a wing back). Of course that causes problems when the opposition sit back but that is the reality of how we play.
I think that is a fair point about Shaw. He is a very odd footballer. But for me it comes down to a lack of professionalism with Shaw, not ability. We have seen Shaw's ability to play in the other teams half in fits and starts before the injury, and plenty with Soton before we signed him. He looks overweight to me, and I can't believe the coaching staff haven't been all over that.
I really don't have any huge issues with AWB. Seems like a decent lad, gives his all, etc. It's more the signing that winds me up... We already have 3 right footed full backs in the squad under 22 (Laird, Williams and Dalot), one of which being a recent multi million pound signing. How does it make sense to spend £50m on another when we had gaping holes elsewhere all over the squad.
And unfortunately, he is an old fashioned FB not at all suited to the system we want to play. We are playing a 2 man midfield pivot, there to give ample cover for the full backs whose main responsibility is to give us width in attack, with the 'wide' 'inverted' forwards playing in the channels. If this is the system Ole wanted to play and he didnt have the confidence to play Williams, Dalot or Laird there, we should have been looking for the next Cafu, not the next Ashley Cole.
I made this article a good while ago and nothing I have seen since has changed my mind. He's solid defensively so I suppose that's something but his overall game just isn't good enough for us going forwards. I actually could see us playing him as RCB in a back 3 eventually. He just doesn't have the skillset to play fullback for a team that hopes to get back to competing for titles.
I'm glad many more people are now seeing what I did. I got laughed at when I created this article before Xmas. Doesn't look as silly now does it guys?
Don't ask the kid to be something he is not. Pep realizes that Walker isn't Mendy/Cancelo and has a different game for him. It works fine for them.
He has only recently turned 22. Which means he is not the finished article and he will be inconsistent.
against the smaller teams I've noticed Ole encouraging him to get forward more and overlap more
I don't think he's as bad at getting forward as people make out, to be honest.. but TAA has set the bar that everyone compares to now, it seems
I wonder what he could do as a CB?
Do you think Ashley Cole is an example of an old school defensive fullback?I think that is a fair point about Shaw. He is a very odd footballer. But for me it comes down to a lack of professionalism with Shaw, not ability. We have seen Shaw's ability to play in the other teams half in fits and starts before the injury, and plenty with Soton before we signed him. He looks overweight to me, and I can't believe the coaching staff haven't been all over that.
I really don't have any huge issues with AWB. Seems like a decent lad, gives his all, etc. It's more the signing that winds me up... We already have 3 right footed full backs in the squad under 22 (Laird, Williams and Dalot), one of which being a recent multi million pound signing. How does it make sense to spend £50m on another when we had gaping holes elsewhere all over the squad.
And unfortunately, he is an old fashioned FB not at all suited to the system we want to play. We are playing a 2 man midfield pivot, there to give ample cover for the full backs whose main responsibility is to give us width in attack, with the 'wide' 'inverted' forwards playing in the channels. If this is the system Ole wanted to play and he didnt have the confidence to play Williams, Dalot or Laird there, we should have been looking for the next Cafu, not the next Ashley Cole.
Well said.He's 22 and this is his second full season in the PL. You're a bunch of spoilt cnuts, get a grip. He has a few flaws on the ball but he wasn't exactly playing for a possession team at Palace and he will only get better with time.
Your are spot on mate. That is a great post with valid points.It feels this is what some fans are not understanding because we are desperate. He is a defender, not a winger.
Out last long term right back Neville was never full of teks and his stats weren't really stand out:
Neville got*:
-35 assists in 400 games
-178 crosses in 400 games with 30% accuracy
-Average of 6 passes a game
*from season 2006+
The difference is he had Ronaldo, Poborsky, Sharpe, Giggs and Beckham as his wingers. Who has AWB got? James one week, Martial the other, Perrera another week. In addition, I think it was the Burnley game and he put in a ball across the 6-yard box and no one at all was there. Our strikers and midfield movement is offering no outlets for the lad, you can see it multiple times a game he throws his hands up in frustration hem passes it side ways or back as there is no movement.
This lad should not be relied on for his crossing because we have TERRIBLE right-wing play. Let his grow as a 22 year old defender and put in a quality right-winger who can do the majority of the assist play
I made this article a good while ago and nothing I have seen since has changed my mind. He's solid defensively so I suppose that's something but his overall game just isn't good enough for us going forwards. I actually could see us playing him as RCB in a back 3 eventually. He just doesn't have the skillset to play fullback for a team that hopes to get back to competing for titles.
I'm glad many more people are now seeing what I did. I got laughed at when I created this article before Xmas. Doesn't look as silly now does it guys?
Our best player so far this season.
Right guys? Guys?
Bizzare comparison. Ashley Cole was very good offensively
Really?? Great player, but I would say he is far better remembered for being a stand out defender that an attacking force.
Case in point... Ashley Cole got 31 assists in his entire Premier League career. TAA already has 23. TAA has just turned 21 and is playing in his 2nd full season.
He needs to dramatically improve offensively if he is going to be our RB for years to come. I think there could be potential for him to be converted into a CB or DM
Really?? Great player, but I would say he is far better remembered for being a stand out defender that an attacking force.
Case in point... Ashley Cole got 31 assists in his entire Premier League career. TAA already has 23. TAA has just turned 21 and is playing in his 2nd full season.
We have Williams on the left who attacks relentlessly.A club like Man Utd needs an attacking fullback.