Yea, this one is courtesy Mr. @Šjor Bepo from the Match Compilations thread.
Jimmy Armfield vs Brazil at WC
Uno Draft: Round 1 - harms vs 2mufc0
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Yea, this one is courtesy Mr. @Šjor Bepo from the Match Compilations thread.
Jimmy Armfield vs Brazil at WC
Just realized I have more posts than Harms.
I'll save my arguments for my game tomorrow with Pat
Good luck lads. Probably the best game of R1 so far.
I'll save my arguments for my game tomorrow with Pat
Good luck lads. Probably the best game of R1 so far.
Cheers just watched the vid, but not a great example of overlapping, not once did he go around the winger or get down the byline, granted he did venture over the halfway line a number of times, but how much different is that to someone like Nilton? And he was considered attacking but by modern standards not that attacking. So not convinced by that video at all.
Generally he looks solid defensively but average on the ball. Also noticed Didi in there getting back and putting a shift in.
Any comment on the keeper?
Hopefully it goes the same way as Xavi being useless defensively did.
He definitely isn’t a true modern overlapping fullback like Lahm, but there’s evidence of him doing so (and not just random “attacking” but overlap with Matthews). Nothing wrong with Nilton too, although he was more of a playmaker and less of an overlapper. The problem is when someone tries to play old fullbacks as wingbacks in a back 5 formations — that’s something that I don’t think that we should ask them to do.
Sorry, I’m on the phone so can’t reply soon with more info, perhaps in the evening.
Err, in the first 30 seconds of the video he put in a cross from the corner flag after a full end to end run down the wing.
Nilton hardly ever did that from my knowledge and footage I have seen.
Well, if that doesn't convince you, nothing ever will
And obviously it's not the same by modern standards. There was no gung ho full back role in 1962. It's still way forward as compared to almost everything else till 1962
I am sure he can play in it but not in a conventional 4 4 2 and do you really want pirlo of all people defending?
Since you’ve posted the same compilation twice already, I want to mention that he has shined (not only played) on 2 World Cups and has 100 caps for a decent country. Even though he’s clearly the least proven player on the pitch.
That was the point mate full backs of that era weren't known for being overlappers, point I was trying to make.
You obviously have a much better one, although tbf to Ochoa he is Mexico no. 1 keeper for more then a decade now and is known for being very good in high pressure matches and biggest stages such as WC.
But, yeah, obviously an advantage there in your favour. I just don't see it as the deceding one. Salah is someone I really don't rate outside Klopp system. Otherwise, a great team as usual from you.
Fiar enough. I would say though a 100 caps for a poor team doesn't improve the quality, the guy was very error prone and I've provided video evidence of it. I've also looked thorough other forums and found many Granada and Malaga fans talking about how inconsistent and error prone he is. I think in a close game these things should acknowledged.
And if high pressure world cup games are what we are judging players there are many other players that wouldn't get a look in drafts even though having fantastic world cups.
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What you are saying is he can run to the corner flag and cross but can't overlap? I am sorry that doesn't make sense to me at least. This despite his own quote about him overlapping. Not from an odd historian or article.
Anyways, I'll leave that there. I am just glad my Brazilian fullbacks post from the last draft yielded some fruits and no one said Junior is not the fullback you'd want with Rivaldo cutting in
His WC outings seem to be exceptions really from whatever I have read in the past. Apparently has been disastrous everywhere else.
Just barely crossing the halfway line and going down the wing once or twice a game doesn't mean you're an attacking full back. But yeah will leave it there.
Pirlo was positionally exceptional when it comes to defending.
Positionally yes but tackling and stamina wise no.
He was far from being a weak link on the defensive side. And he could put a tackle for sure when needed. It's just that he would often see things before they happen (like in attack) and prevent them or close the lines.
Don't see any problems in 4-4-2 with him as proven in his career. Am sure someone like Sacchi would love if he had him in his team and system.
Anyway, now really derailing thread. Let's call it a difference in opinion with you being wrong and stop here.
He was far from being a weak link on the defensive side. And he could put a tackle for sure when needed. It's just that he would often see things before they happen (like in attack) and prevent them or close the lines.
Don't see any problems in 4-4-2 with him as proven in his career. Am sure someone like Sacchi would love if he had him in his team and system.
Anyway, now really derailing thread. Let's call it a difference in opinion with you being wrong and stop here.
because I love pirlo, I will agree with you there.I agree with what has been said on Gerson in 2mufc0 midfield and don't rate Salah that high in all time sense.
Like the balance and the names in harms set up. The only one I can see as a big liability is Ochoa and probably still the one I have second thoughts of going with 2mufc0 due to that...
Like the balance and the names in harms set up. The only one I can see as a big liability is Ochoa and probably still the one I have second thoughts of going with 2mufc0 due to that...
This is definitely the tightest game so far. I think harms' attack is deadly, and prefer it as a unit. Carlos should get lots of space too as he only really has to deal with Salah.
I prefer 2mufc's midfield, and as a unit I think it would work very well. If anything I think Charlton has slipped under the radar a bit.
Both defences are very equal, but as a unit 2mufc edges it as he has by far the superior keeper.
It's a hard one to call though because I think the midfield and defence is only just won by 2mufc, whilst harms' attack is much better, so could make the difference.
I prefer 2mufc's midfield, and as a unit I think it would work very well. If anything I think Charlton has slipped under the radar a bit.
Both defences are very equal, but as a unit 2mufc edges it as he has by far the superior keeper.
It's a hard one to call though because I think the midfield and defence is only just won by 2mufc, whilst harms' attack is much better, so could make the difference.
It's dissappointing the keeper has little bearing on draft games Ochoa also has the record for most goals conceded in a season (80), whilst the whole blame cannot be attached to him he is part of the defence. Its a clear advantage esp with the shooters I have and it will be a tactical instruction to shoot from distance whenever the chance arises. Then you also got one of the best free kick takers in the team too in Rivaldo.
He had a good world cup - yeah, but so did David Ospina but atleast with him scouts thought he was good enough to play for a big team. However, Ochoa never was considered by big clubs because they knew his overall quality was never good enough for the top level.
He had a good world cup - yeah, but so did David Ospina but atleast with him scouts thought he was good enough to play for a big team. However, Ochoa never was considered by big clubs because they knew his overall quality was never good enough for the top level.
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Voted for @2mufc0 due to the difference in goalkeeper quality and also I rate Batistuta in arial duels against that CB pairing. Salah is a bit of a weak link but otherwise this is a good team.
This is a tight game though. Some great team building from both drafters.
This is a tight game though. Some great team building from both drafters.
I'll chicken out and not vote on the game. Unlucky as both deserve to go through based on average R1 quality of teams.
Harms was closer to win my vote and a half decent keeper would have sealed it. Swerve of Rivaldo and Batistuta's shots makes it very difficult to vote for Ochoa.
2mufc0 would have won it if there was a different CM to complement Gerson.
Harms was closer to win my vote and a half decent keeper would have sealed it. Swerve of Rivaldo and Batistuta's shots makes it very difficult to vote for Ochoa.
2mufc0 would have won it if there was a different CM to complement Gerson.
Didn't think I would have to on this forum but i don't think I've sold Sir Bobby enough here, he is the best player on the pitch and was a rediculous talent with an eye for goal. One of my favourite United goals was this one, see 52 sec onwards:
I can see Rivaldo linking up the same way with Sir Bobby here and smashing it past Ochoa.
And a nice compilation here reminding everyone of his abilities:
I can see Rivaldo linking up the same way with Sir Bobby here and smashing it past Ochoa.
And a nice compilation here reminding everyone of his abilities:
Portrait of an icon: Gabriel Batistuta
https://www.football365.com/news/portrait-of-an-icon-gabriel-batistuta
https://www.football365.com/news/portrait-of-an-icon-gabriel-batistuta
Not a fan of harms midfield. Cerezo is not really the player to anchor that trio. Lots of flair, but not enough steel imo. 2mu seems to have gotten the balance better...but in the end this may come down to some Law magic.
I held off on voting this match because the teams seem evenly matched to me.
I think the Gerson-Charlton-Voronin midfield works well but if we getting to that nitpicking level harms is probably right that Gerson will operate under a different mindset whereas Cerezo-Tigana-Masopust really synergizes well for me. In most matchups I'd have no problem with 2mu midfield at all but in this one I think harms might just edge the midfield.
The problem for me like you mention is the difference between Chilavert and Ochoa. Chilavert is my favorite keeper of all time who always gave me the impression that it was going to take some serious world class footy to score on him. Ochoa is just not on that level. So while I have a slight preference for harms midfield and attack I have a definitely preference for 2mu's back 5 which is why I can't vote. I think harms gets more shots off but Chilavert is much more likely to stop those shots.
Wow, that is a low turnout. Definitely a game that deserved more votes.
Hmm, interesting. I'd usually take your word on Brazilians, but it felt a bit off to me even looking at it independently (without harms midfield).
Congrats @harms .
Just wanted to point out that he's had not one, but two great World Cups. That's about it though
Cheers! I wasn't at all happy with the draw, it's great team that you've had there. I would've probably abstained from voting if I was a neutral, too close for me to decide.
There's enough steel in that trio. Cerezo is a holding midfielder but Tigana is the primary ball-winner here. Masopust was quite involved in midfield battles as well and he is not just an auxiliary playmaker here.
I think a lot of voters thought that it was too close to call. Although the general discussion wasn't that active and it's partly my fault.
Yours was one of the teams I wanted to avoid too, you really bolstered the team in the last leg of the picks. Good drafting.