You cannot judge anything on one game, coming back from 2-0 against 2nd place means feck all.
Tell me you’ve totally misunderstood my post without telling me you’ve totally misunderstood my post.But who is going to do better? We are such an unrealistic fan base.
But who is going to do better? We are such an unrealistic fan base.
The things he did at Ajax you mean?What areas has Erik excelled at to be the exemplary example in management at United ? Are there managers who will have United be more authoritative in possession undoubtedly, are there managers who will drill attacking rotations so the team find spaces to score more goals undoubtedly, are there managers who will organise and structure the defence so the team concede less goals undoubtedly, are there managers in world football other than Eth who know how to coach a press undoubtedly.
Erik is failing in all the areas that constitutes the teams performances. If the suggestion is for United to find a manager who will win the league by all accounts the scarcity of individuals available with that capability makes it an immeasurable demand and thus I can understand the doom and gloom around identifying a replacement. But this is not the precedent that's in need of change, it is the managerial basics in building a cohesive team.
I think its tough to tell if the areas he's failed at is predominantly down to his poor coaching or down to factors beyond is control.What areas has Erik excelled at to be the exemplary example in management at United ? Are there managers who will have United be more authoritative in possession undoubtedly, are there managers who will drill attacking rotations so the team find spaces to score more goals undoubtedly, are there managers who will organise and structure the defence so the team concede less goals undoubtedly, are there managers in world football other than Eth who know how to coach a press undoubtedly.
Erik is failing in all the areas that constitutes the teams performances. If the suggestion is for United to find a manager who will win the league by all accounts the scarcity of individuals available with that capability makes it an immeasurable demand and thus I can understand the doom and gloom around identifying a replacement. But this is not the precedent that's in need of change, it is the managerial basics in building a cohesive team.
The sample size with Erik as the manager has been small he's experienced but not in any capacity at the highest level, so the fact many on here have made him a hill to die on is strange. I've said it time and time again he has had just as much to prove as some of the players he's purchased.
The things he did at Ajax you mean?
He said the players he has right now are not suited to that Ajax style, and I think he's pointing specifically at the likes of Bruno and Rashford in that evaluation.But is unable to do in a more competitive environment and by his own admission is incapable of doing. If I run a successful limited business with 50 employees, it doesn't validate me having the capability to run a fortune 500 with stakeholders, investors and greater capital.
I don't think we will make any changes at the moment, and I doubt we will spend much money.When the manager's start getting this defensive you know the end is nigh.
A few weeks back it was we have a big squad to cope with injuries, and now it's "we have injuries"
Earlier, last season we performed to our potential and played "fecking good football", and now we "over-performed last season"
Is now just sitting and waiting for us to sack him and hand him his big payout.
He said the players he has right now are not suited to that Ajax style, and I think he's pointing specifically at the likes of Bruno and Rashford in that evaluation.
Very true, and this forum is split with those massively against him and then those who are more entrenched in their views to back him.But its easier to isolate distinct elements of a style and compound it with an identity. For example Pep doesn't play the Tiki-taka style he did with Barcelona but his philosophy is still in tact of controlling the possession. The style of play with City is not reminiscent with Barcelona but the managers ideology is still transferable. We have seen managers with lesser players move across clubs and still not lose their narrative of management.
How much of Eth's success at Ajax was down to his coaching as opposed to the culture and ethos of the club ? When players come through that system they are educated / indoctrinated around the model of play with Cruyff's revolution. As I've stated what's questionable is many are willing to live and die on certainty with this manager. Neutrality is important to be objective 18 months in and there are still uncertainties with what this team is doing and what does a Eth team look like in 24 months with a 600+ million investment.
I don't think we will make any changes at the moment, and I doubt we will spend much money.
Ah, the Redcafe predictions. If we finish 7th this season, what do you think predictions would be like for the next season? If a new guy comes in next season, reaching top 4 would not be "overachieving" in any way. Using our worst (not including this one) season as our baseline is stupid. ETH is just using it to make himself look better and buy more time.Seriously, bring up the Redcafe predictions for what our season would be last year. I feel like a majority of these posts claiming we didn't overachieve will have posts that directly contradict themselves. Comes across as pathetic from some of the fans.
Saying that we overachieved, doesn't mean you support Ten Hag btw. It's just an acknowledgement of facts. Same reason why he should probably leave. He clearly hasn't done a good job this season.
Very true, and this forum is split with those massively against him and then those who are more entrenched in their views to back him.
That said - how can we really evaluate a manager that has not really had a fit and dependable center back pairing all seasons, injuries being rotated across 4-5 center backs every week? If we park the Casemiro and other random misses here and there, I feel having that much of a defensive problem will not be a fair reflection on any manager. This is parking Ten Hag to one side, of course.
I'm not trying to say ETH is massive by the way. It's a genuine question. When Liverpool had their defensive crisis they were really bad, when Arsenal lost Saliba last year they bottled the league. When Tottenham lost VDV and Romero for a spell they got 1 point in 15. When City lost Rodri + KDB they looked like half the team. I wonder how not having any CBs that can be depended on for fitness for the entire season thus far is affecting a coach.
Yeah, I think the issue is also that Ten Hag wanted to transcend our style this season with that direct , quick transitional play. But we havent really seen it, since last year that wasnt the approach and this year he's been short changed with injuries.In being objective and including Eth's first season the team was still in parts aimless with intent. There was a mixture tactically last season of pragmatism and hot potato possession play. The manager never refined anything for a sustained period. Injuries did undo rival teams but the credibility for the managers is once injured players return it's back to the norm. I'm highlighting uncertainty with Erik because there is no norm, even Ange in his squads present dysfunctionality is being praised in the media for it. We know what we get with a fully fit Spurs squad which is something he's achieved in next to no time because he is dictating the managerial narrative.
It's the lack of perceivable philosophy that is throwing Erik's coaching credentials into question. It wasn't discernable last season without injuries and it's not understood this season with. I'm totally willing overlooking short term in favour of the long term but the managers made no investment in something that stands the test of time. That is the issue.
Yeah, I think the issue is also that Ten Hag wanted to transcend our style this season with that direct , quick transitional play. But we havent really seen it, since last year that wasnt the approach and this year he's been short changed with injuries.
You might be right, but we're going to find out very soon now. For the first time he's said to judge him when his players are back, and he has said the key ones are back this month.
Very true, and this forum is split with those massively against him and then those who are more entrenched in their views to back him.
That said - how can we really evaluate a manager that has not really had a fit and dependable center back pairing all seasons, injuries being rotated across 4-5 center backs every week? If we park the Casemiro / Eriksen extended absences and other random misses here and there, I feel having that much of a defensive problem will not be a fair reflection on any manager. This is parking Ten Hag to one side, of course.
I'm not trying to say ETH is massive by the way. It's a genuine question. When Liverpool had their defensive crisis they were really bad, when Arsenal lost Saliba last year they bottled the league. When Tottenham lost VDV and Romero for a spell they got 1 point in 15. When City lost Rodri + KDB they looked like half the team. I wonder how not having any CBs that can be depended on for fitness for the entire season thus far is affecting a coach.
This is all about lowering expectations because TH is looking at a squad that is lacking ability or conviction.
But is unable to do in a more competitive environment and by his own admission is incapable of doing. If I run a successful limited business with 50 employees, it doesn't validate me having the capability to run a fortune 500 with stakeholders, investors and greater capital.
