United Linked With Kaka

Hey fellows, try asking a Brazilian and you may have more accuracy with your answers.
Like this:

His name is just Ricardo Izecson Santos Leite, "Kaka" is an infantile abreviation for Ricardo;

He's an offensive midfilder. NOT a foward, NOT a striker, NOT a wing. He's used to play with two fowards in front of him. Like last year with França and
Reinaldo and this year, 22nd row of the Brazilian league, with Luís Fabiano (15 goals), Reinaldo (11 goals) and Kaka (7 goals). Early this year he played some games as a second foward. It was his worst matches this season;

Last year he was considered the best rokkie of the Brazilian Championship AND the best player. This semester he's again the best player and here he is being rated as the best Brazilian player everywhere in the World. Not just that, he has charisma. And although he has a huge marketing appeal and is treated by the media and teenagers like a pop star, unlike 99% of brazilian new players he's not much a party guy. He's a very centered hard worker guy;

I was at Morumbi (São Paulo Stadium) when he played his first 10 minutes. He impressed everyone from the very first moment. I believe he would be an instant hit for ANY club in the world (as a midfilder);

São Paulo F.C., same club from Raí, Careca, Muller, Juninho, Serginho, Cafu, Edmilson, Leonardo, Zago, Denilson (among others) will not let him go for less then 20.000.000 US$. He's worth every cent;

Kaka means in portuguease the same as in french. In his first games everyone here joked about that. Today Kaka is synonymous of offensive creativity and magic wich will make history for Brazilian football.
 
Originally posted by SPFC:
<strong>His name is just Ricardo Izecson Santos Leite, "Kaka" is an infantile abreviation for Ricardo.</strong><hr></blockquote>

'kin Portugese <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> In Spanish Kaka means nothing but "shit". Richi or Rico are the only ones I have heard for Ricardo in Spanish.
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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'kin Portugese <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> In Spanish Kaka means nothing but "shit". Richi or Rico are the only ones I have heard for Ricardo in Spanish.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ricky or Ricardito. Kaká means the same in Brazil as well it's just they pick very silly ways to call people here.
 
Originally posted by SPFC:
<strong>He's an offensive midfilder. NOT a foward, NOT a striker, NOT a wing. He's used to play with two fowards in front of him.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Thanks Edu. That is exactly what I'm afraid of. People create this illusion in their minds that he will play one way or the other and then get pissed off when it doesn't work.

Kaká can obviously be moulded into other roles but it takes TIME to perform at the level you would expect from him when changing country, club and team dynamics (both yours and the opposition's).

He will be fantastic if he goes to the right places at the right time. Coming to United, at his age, as a third striker (assuming Forlan is 4th) during a very tight race for the title in a team that hasn't quite found itself would definitely be a feck up for both parties involved.
 
Originally posted by Veedey:
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In Russian ‘kaka’ is a word that kids use instead of ‘shit’ or ‘rubbish’.</strong><hr></blockquote>

In French too ( I see it is an international word...)
 
They havent payed us nothing so the price remain 12m. Last year they offered us Sorin and Lopez but we refused. Curently Castroman is chepaer than Lopez sooooo 1+1 = 2
 
Kaka is Brazillian with skilss hence he should be able to fit anywhere upfront and on the wings. And even though settling time might be long a boy with his skills could never make me pissed :D
 
for anyone wanting to know what kaka it's the latin word for shit. so butt and shit would go quite nicely.
anyway,first and formeost does this guy need a work permit? :D
 
First and foremost you have to find out if this is really the guy Man Utd need. He'll not play as foward or striker.

Manchester can't be as stupid as Arsenal who went to Brazil to buy Edu, the offensive midfilder from Brazilian Olympic Team (playing for São Paulo) and came back to England with Edu, the young deffensive midfilder from Corinthians.
 
Kaka played well tonight in a 5-3 victory for Sao Paulo. The american commentator said Man Utd were at the game to watch him, however credible that is.

He created a lot for the team, but didn't manage to score himself. He played a free role supporting the two forwards. Physically he is a similar shape to RVN, a touch less bulk with a little more pace, powerful enough for the prem. A good dribbler, and likes to take players on. His creativity/support play is his big strength, instant passes and flicks. I'd see him as a secondary forward/midfielder to support RVN, rather than an out and out goal getter.

BTW Sao Paolo are leading the league, not sure how they would like selling a key player at this point in their campaign.
 
I watched some of the game too. Allen Hopkins was the commentator I think, he probably gets his info from soccernet though. What about the striker for Sao Paulo, name escapes me, but he got a hat-trick tonite and has a total of 18 goals this season, the comps top scorer. He seems pretty decent - pacy, strong. I'm pretty sure these players from Brazil would have a bit of difficulty obtaining a work permit, I know Kaka only has a couple of caps for Brazil. Kaka made a few runs in todays game, not too much more, though I havent seen nearly enough of him to comment. Seemed to play more in midfield though - perhaps he's the answer to kemo's 'hole' problem. ;)
 
saw the same match - he's the deal. has speed , a quality shot , passes well. 20 yrs old. he arrive at OT when he's 33 - 34 yrs old. MU will never pull the trigger!
 
Originally posted by mu77:
<strong>saw the same match - he's the deal. has speed , a quality shot , passes well. 20 yrs old. he arrive at OT when he's 33 - 34 yrs old. MU will never pull the trigger!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Mads Timm plays the same role, has the same skills, and costs nothing.
 
never saw timm play. this guy's an international already playing for brazil. he'd be getting games right now as we speak for MU and timm is still a resv player. when do you see his call up?
 
Originally posted by mu77:
<strong>never saw timm play. this guy's an international already playing for brazil. he'd be getting games right now as we speak for MU and timm is still a resv player. when do you see his call up?</strong><hr></blockquote>
He had his CL debut against Maccabi Haifa, as a sub, and has just moved back up to the reserves, where he was great, but he's still very young, but already physically well built. I would think that next season he will be pushing for games, like O'Shea did, and the season after that he may well become a semi-regular like O'Shea is this season.
 
thanks m8 - totally unrelated to the subject albeit football and a young player - how long b4 stewart comes back and what type of injury is he carrying?
 
Originally posted by mu77:
<strong>thanks m8 - totally unrelated to the subject albeit football and a young player - how long b4 stewart comes back and what type of injury is he carrying?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Wish I fecking knew, last I heard about him was when he was sent off in a Scotland game. He's not been in the reserves, youth teams, or on the bench since!
 
thanks anyway. if you don't know no one on this board will!
 
Originally posted by mu77:
<strong>thanks anyway. if you don't know no one on this board will!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Managed to find <a href="http://www.edinburghnews.com/sport.cfm?id=1122842002" target="_blank">this</a>, which says it was a broken bone in the foot, bit like Gary and Becks then, so I would think he'll be out for a while longer.
 
thanks N. i'll be watchin' live from the US tommorrow but looking forward to your "live tracker". your use of english is far better than the MU tracker. they don't swear as well! ;)
 
Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong> What about the striker for Sao Paulo, name escapes me, but he got a hat-trick tonite and has a total of 18 goals this season, the comps top scorer. He seems pretty decent - pacy, strong. </strong><hr></blockquote>

Fabiano, I think??
 
Originally posted by mu77:
<strong>thanks N. i'll be watchin' live from the US tommorrow but looking forward to your "live tracker". your use of english is far better than the MU tracker. they don't swear as well! ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> Haven't done the match commentary for a while, and had to rely on MatchTracker while on holiday myself - they do a pretty good job actually - I doubt I'll post as much as usual as the game should be riveting! But I'll try and offer some observations that MatchTracker might not make, as well as singing some uncensored songs. :D
 
Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>What about the striker for Sao Paulo, name escapes me, but he got a hat-trick tonite and has a total of 18 goals this season, the comps top scorer.</strong><hr></blockquote>

His name is Luís Fabiano Clemente, called here by "Luís Fabiano";

He turned 22 yrs old today. (08/11/80);

He played for Ponte Preta (97-2000) where he had a very good Brazilian Championship. He was sold to Rennes/France (2000-2001) but had a problems with his coach, then loaned and finally bought by São Paulo (for only 3mil US$);

It's very likely that he will be the striker of the Brazilian Olympic Team in 2004. São Paulo F.C. intends to hold him at least until then;

He is really a very good player, (almost 0.70 goals per game, with more then 70 games) but he is still learning a lot. He used to get a lot of yellow and red cards early this year for arguing with ref;

The difference is that he is a very talented striker, still proving himself and Kaka is a rare player reconized as the best of a generation.
 
SPFC, welcome to the Cafe! Are you a United fan? With a Brazilian team as your second team? Which one if so?
 
Originally posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber:
<strong>My theory as the chief is If you can play behind two forwards you would do even better behind one. Thus the chief hath spoken :cool: </strong><hr></blockquote>

kemo, this must stand amongst your most ridiculous statements. <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" />
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>SPFC, welcome to the Cafe! Are you a United fan? With a Brazilian team as your second team? Which one if so?</strong><hr></blockquote>

TKS. SPFC is short for São Paulo F.C. My favourite one. I'm always in the field watching the real thing. (The only team in the world, besides A.C. Milan, with three 2002 WC champions).

I adopted United as a second one right after they beat our rivals Palmeiras in the 99 Toyota Cup.

Any doubts about brazilian players, I'll be glad to answer.
 
Originally posted by SPFC:
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TKS. SPFC is short for São Paulo F.C. My favourite one. I'm always in the field watching the real thing. (The only team in the world, besides A.C. Milan, with three 2002 WC champions).

I adopted United as a second one right after they beat our rivals Palmeiras in the 99 Toyota Cup.

Any doubts about brazilian players, I'll be glad to answer.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ah I understand. Well good to have you on board. I know nothing of São Paulo F.C., perhaps you could me a bit about them in the Football Forum?
 
Originally posted by SPFC:
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His name is Luís Fabiano Clemente, called here by "Luís Fabiano";

He turned 22 yrs old today. (08/11/80);

He played for Ponte Preta (97-2000) where he had a very good Brazilian Championship. He was sold to Rennes/France (2000-2001) but had a problems with his coach, then loaned and finally bought by São Paulo (for only 3mil US$);

It's very likely that he will be the striker of the Brazilian Olympic Team in 2004. São Paulo F.C. intends to hold him at least until then;

He is really a very good player, (almost 0.70 goals per game, with more then 70 games) but he is still learning a lot. He used to get a lot of yellow and red cards early this year for arguing with ref;

The difference is that he is a very talented striker, still proving himself and Kaka is a rare player reconized as the best of a generation.</strong><hr></blockquote>
thanks for the info, will keep an eye on him in the future.
 
Why dont we sign this little number from Sao Paulo instead? ;)

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kaka is a gun just the type of player we need but i think we should try to target ronaldinho again
 
Kaka should go to United only to play in his natural position, as an Offensive Midfilder with two fowards in front of him.

If so, I'm pretty sure he would change the team's pace and make History for Manchester.