The only feck up there was still thinking we could get Baines on deadline day. Daft.
United in this Summer transfer window
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Very. Considering the quality of the alternative.
What's worst for me is, if we didn't end up needing LB coverage that much, Coentrao would have been usable as the 2nd mid we were after. No downsides and still have Fabio and Buttley floating about(I'd expect the latter on loan to the Championship in about a weeks time). I bet Fabio would have stuck to right though, with Evra and Baines/Coentrao available.
Just the 6 years then!
I could be wrong but I think only League One and below can still loan players after the window has closed. The ability of Coentrao to fill in, if needed in midfield, makes it especially galling, I agree.
The moment I heard we had supposedly got him, I was seriously pleased. I think signing him, even for a season, would've seen us in such better shape for this campaign.
all valid points, but too late.
personally I'd be over the moon if had landed him here
Alot of PR work being done to repair the damage and make United look like they were clued up throughout the transfer window. Lets neatly forget the Woodward going home on urgent business saga and not signing anyone until the last day.
If we had got Coentrao as well as Fellaini then on paper it would have been a good transfer window - keeping Rooney and Nani and adding those two plus a couple of youngsters.
As it is, it's less the actual signings than the manner we have conducted everything this summer, which has made us look amateurish and incompetent at every turn. Fellaini will be a good player for us and I think he will surprise a lot of people, it's more the fact that we overpaid when he was available for less earlier this summer, and that we left it till the last minute, especially when we could've used a midfield presence against Chelsea and Liverpool, not to mention the player now having no preseason or anything with us to settle in.
As it is, it's less the actual signings than the manner we have conducted everything this summer, which has made us look amateurish and incompetent at every turn. Fellaini will be a good player for us and I think he will surprise a lot of people, it's more the fact that we overpaid when he was available for less earlier this summer, and that we left it till the last minute, especially when we could've used a midfield presence against Chelsea and Liverpool, not to mention the player now having no preseason or anything with us to settle in.
All of these damage limitation pieces are making the club appear worse in all of this, not better imo.
is a stupid quote from a United source in that Henry Winter article
So £4.5m was a deal breaker yet we paid £4m over Fellaini's release clause when he isn't a top top player. We supposedly valued Fellaini at £18 million and ended up spending almost £10m more than that.
This is also a shame if true.
I think Herrera and Fellaini would have represented a good window. Most people don't think a left back was a priority at all.
We could've got Ozil (£35m), Thiago (£20m), Contraeo (Loan) and Fellaini (£23.5m)... shipped out Young (£10m) & Rooney (£35m), and made a £30m loss. The team would've been better for it and there'd have been a freshness about the place.. not to mention all of those signings are 25 or under.
And what if Ozil took ages adjusting to our league, whilst Rooney smashed them in at Chelsea. Wouldn't seem such genius then.
Not sure if anyone would pay 10m for Young. Big Sam maybe but he's got Downing now to fulfil the 'underwhelming and overrated English winger' quota.
Yay fm!
Apologies if posted already but heres the Guardians take on events: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/sep/04/manchester-united-ander-herrera-transfer-farce
ahh balls theres a whole thread on this....
ahh balls theres a whole thread on this....
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I agree, Coentrao can cover midfield though which would give us some versatility.
Again the window isn't that bad on paper it's more just the manner in which we have conducted ourselves.
I agree, Coentrao can cover midfield though which would give us some versatility.
Again the window isn't that bad on paper it's more just the manner in which we have conducted ourselves.
I think I read Championship and below, I don't think I see Buttz going to League 1, tbh.
Exactly. If you told me in June that we're keeping Rooney, signing Fellaini, and (now) resigning Nani, I would be happy. If we signed Herrera (or Ozil, or Thiago, or Fabregas) it would have been great. But as it stands it's not bad.. It's the theatrics that we did this Summer (which made us look like amateurish cnuts) that was hard to swallow.
If we get Herrera in January then I can forget about this Summer.
Graham Hunter discusses United’s bids for Ander Herrera, Thiago Alcantara and Cesc Fabregas
UWS podcast 12.40 seconds in. Mitten says he will be interviewing Woodward in a couple of weeks as well.
UWS podcast 12.40 seconds in. Mitten says he will be interviewing Woodward in a couple of weeks as well.
Ninjafletch posted this quote from fergie on the hazard saga of last summer. I do find our valuations rather strange. We pretty much have our heads stuck in 2002 regarding player valuations. Hazard is IMO, one of the biggest young talents in the game.
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...ormer-Arsenal-and-Liverpool-target-Arda-Turan
I don't believe this one. I just think that every cretinous agent is going to try to use our shambolic window to try to garner interest in their clients. Moreso than before.
I don't believe this one. I just think that every cretinous agent is going to try to use our shambolic window to try to garner interest in their clients. Moreso than before.
Me bollix.
Is everyone going to do this now? feck sake...
Is everyone going to do this now? feck sake...
Bullsh*t.
"Huge resources to invest in transfers and wages", "no budget", "always in for the best players"
All these messages that the club have pushed... There is absolutely feck all evidence that they are true.
Our valuations of players is stuck in 2002. Hazard, for example, would have been worth every penny.
£30m for Fabregas haha
All these messages that the club have pushed... There is absolutely feck all evidence that they are true.
Our valuations of players is stuck in 2002. Hazard, for example, would have been worth every penny.
£30m for Fabregas haha
Utterly baffling we didn't go for Ozil. He would become our second best player instantly.
With Rooney and Kagawa already playing in Ozil's position? It was no surprise we weren't in for him.
Is Ozil better than Rooney?
Ozil would have been our best player in my opinion. I think he's Germany's best player and they've got some fantastic players. It's crazy Madrid sold him. Other than Ronaldo, I thought he was their second best player. After Messi and Ronaldo I put him in that group of players fighting to be recognized as the third best, along with the likes of Iniesta, Bale, RVP, Suarez and Ribery. When you think of the impact the likes of Silva, Mata and Cazorla had coming from La Liga, it's scary how good Ozil is going to be in the Prem. He's technically better than those 3 and he's physically more suited to the Prem. I think he will be the best player in the league.
Having spent the whole summer fighting to keep Rooney, signing Ozil was never gonna happen.
Christ, Ozil is comfortably better than Rooney. Technically there is a gulf between them, in my opinion. If you're unsure now, you probably won't be by the end of the season.
Productivity wise, is there much between them? I think Rooney is getting underrated because we all hate him now
Sometimes you just have to look beyond the stats. Ozil can get the best out of players around him, he'd have made our attack absolutely Rolls Royce.
We'd certainly have seen the very best of RvP if Ozil was behind him. That said, at least if RvP gets injured we can replace him with Rooney, who at his best is a 30 goal per season striker.
I haven't watched enough of Ozil to judge whether he is better or worse but Rooney has been doing the latter for most of his time here.
We have about 7 different players in the squad who are capable of playing ACM. None as well as Ozil but its still a squad game nowadays and you can't simply overload in one position whilst neglecting others.
Rooney
Kagawa
Welbeck
Young
Zaha
Nani
Giggs
Getting Ozil was quite rightly never a priority, its really our inability to lay our hands on a creative CM which really sticks in the throat.
Rooney
Kagawa
Welbeck
Young
Zaha
Nani
Giggs
Getting Ozil was quite rightly never a priority, its really our inability to lay our hands on a creative CM which really sticks in the throat.
You can add Januzaj to that list as well.
This is exactly like not wanting RvP because we already had 4 strikers and it would affect Welbeck and Hernandez's development!
No, because we have our second best player already playing there. It has nothing to do with development. When we said we were keeping Rooney, we shut the door on Ozil. If we had been ok with selling him, then we would have tried for him. Rooney is an entirely different proposition to Hernandez/Welbeck. He is an established world class player.
Rooney does the same tbh. I don't see Ozil over him as much of an upgrade. Plus Ozil is much less of a goal threat I think - I haven't seen the stats.