We could probably get Freidel for a good 8m on its own, without swapping players. I think we should hold on to Carroll, he's good back-up.
United back in for Howard.
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So you're saying we should buy the NY Yankees? 
feck the baseball players, get Jonah Lomu.
Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>So you're saying we should buy the NY Yankees?
I'm thinking Jeter would make a solid link man.
BBC:
"I know there are discussions, but I don't know how serious they are," New York MetroStars head coach Bob Bradley told BBC GMR.
"A club like Manchester United, competing in the Champions League, needs top players. Tim is a young player who I think we will see move up the ladder quickly."
The deal could still stall over a visa for the goalkeeper.
"I know there are discussions, but I don't know how serious they are," New York MetroStars head coach Bob Bradley told BBC GMR.
"A club like Manchester United, competing in the Champions League, needs top players. Tim is a young player who I think we will see move up the ladder quickly."
The deal could still stall over a visa for the goalkeeper.
Disabled! The guy has tourette's. You take a pill every morning. The press is turning into something more than it's not.
He could be a secret weapon of sorts.
Here's an interview with Mr Howard
<a href="http://www.soccer365.com/_365_Interviews/page_123_48155.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.soccer365.com/_365_Interviews/page_123_48155.shtml</a>
and some info on our foul-mouthed target
<a href="http://www.mlsnet.com/bios/tim_howard.html" target="_blank">http://www.mlsnet.com/bios/tim_howard.html</a>
<a href="http://www.soccer365.com/_365_Interviews/page_123_48155.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.soccer365.com/_365_Interviews/page_123_48155.shtml</a>
and some info on our foul-mouthed target
<a href="http://www.mlsnet.com/bios/tim_howard.html" target="_blank">http://www.mlsnet.com/bios/tim_howard.html</a>
Do we need so many keepers?
At the moment we have Barthez, Carroll and Ricardo. Steele is also decent. If we buy Howard, then we are looking to sell either Carroll or Ricardo. Since Ricardo was bought last summer, I cant see him going so soon. Carroll is still young for a keeper and he hasnt done that badly. Hmmm SAF is not looking to replace Barthez with Howard, is he? We need a top keeper, not a maybe-top keeper.
At the moment we have Barthez, Carroll and Ricardo. Steele is also decent. If we buy Howard, then we are looking to sell either Carroll or Ricardo. Since Ricardo was bought last summer, I cant see him going so soon. Carroll is still young for a keeper and he hasnt done that badly. Hmmm SAF is not looking to replace Barthez with Howard, is he? We need a top keeper, not a maybe-top keeper.
its probably Ricardo or Carroll leaving, not Barthez if we are bringing in Howard
fecking cnuting sweaty bollocks hell, a twatting goalie with shitting tourretes mother of all piss smelling feckers.
A man after my own heart
A man after my own heart
Carroll is rumored to leave OT for Birmingham City...or perhaps another club...probably for 2m...signing Howard would mean Barthez stays (and he's a great GK regardless of what some of these forum critics think)...Lopez would battle Howard for #2...and probably last another season at OT...Howard would be brought in to be the heir to Barthez...probably starts by 2005-06 season...worth a shot...Lopez would be the back up in CL and FA Cup and Howard would start in Worthless Cup and be the backup in the Premiership...unless he outplays Lopez in July/August...which is likely...
BBC :
um...why buy a back up goalkeeper fellas? Its hardly our priority...its not a priority position, we have 2 capable backups.
Only way Howard would be a back up is if a deal was done for Ricardo/Carroll or if Howard was deemed to good a talent to pass up.
I reckon Barthez is on his way out and we are gonna buy a new number one. If thats Howard I dont know, maybe Carroll will be number one. Maybe we wont get Howard at all.
Only way Howard would be a back up is if a deal was done for Ricardo/Carroll or if Howard was deemed to good a talent to pass up.
I reckon Barthez is on his way out and we are gonna buy a new number one. If thats Howard I dont know, maybe Carroll will be number one. Maybe we wont get Howard at all.
Carroll will start the new season and Howard (if signed) will be his understudy but will be groomed to takeover the #1 spot after Christmas.
Howard is better than Carroll.
I agree Howard is the one united should get. Bartez can take him under his wings and by 2005 he would be ready to lift the European Cup as defending and 4 time European Cup Champions
Cool
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FAMOUS TOURETTE'S VICTIM ON THAT SIGNING
Kevin Garside
THE Manchester United dressing- room is about to get a new hair-dryer, and it will not be Sir Alex Ferguson pushing the buttons.
Goalkeeping Tourette's sufferer extraordinaire Tim Howard is unlikely to utter a boo during a match, but before and after he will need to clear the decks in a way that will have even Fergie running for cover.
But Sir Alex, whose own "hair-dryer" outbursts are legendary, has nothing to fear from his new signing. Indeed, the MetroStars superstar could turn out to be the best he has ever made, because Howard is probably a genius.
That is the view of Britain's most celebrated sufferer of Tourette's Syndrome, John Davidson, the subject of two award-winning TV documentaries who claims that those afflicted can be freakishly gifted and urged Fergie not to hesitate in making Howard his man.
Like Davidson, Howard was born with Tourette's, a neurological disorder characterised by, among other things, rapid and involuntary tics and vocal outbursts. Howard was named New York Life Humanitarian of the Year in 2001 for his role in raising awareness of TS and is a member of the board of the Tourette Association of New Jersey.
He is also the top-rated and best-paid goalkeeper in Major League Soccer, who went to Japan as a member of the American squad and enjoyed training spells with AC Milan and Feyenoord before attracting the attention of Manchester United.
Ferguson's interest might be considered a gamble but not by Davidson, who became a household name following his appearance in John's Not Mad in 1989 and the 2002 follow-up, The Boy Can't Help It, two documentaries which did so much to raise public awareness of TS.
On the contrary, Davidson believes Howard may prove even better business than the signing of Peter Schmeichel, who himself knew a little about the scattering of expletives.
According to Davidson the condition is unlikely to affect Howard at all during matches and can be managed by spending 15 minutes alone in a room either side of a game.
"Tourette's affects people in different ways. Only a minority are affected by outbursts and if Howard is one of those it will not impact during a match. No-one knows why but in circumstances when sufferers are required to concentrate hard over a defined period the condition mysteriously disappears," said Davidson, who did not suffer one outburst during a half-hour conversation with Mirror Sport.
"Tim will be so focused on what he is doing that he will be able to pass through an entire match without seeing any symptoms. It's the same with me. If I'm playing football or driving I do not have an outburst. But I might when I stop.
"Tim will probably have to manage the situation by sitting down for 15 minutes in a room by himself before and after a match to get the outburst out of the way. A lot depends, too, on how the other players and Sir Alex react to him.
"Thankfully there is much more awareness and understanding of Tourette's these days. When I am having an outburst now around people who know me it is not a problem. You can even have a laugh about it. It is one of the ways you learn to cope.
"So in the atmosphere of the United dressing- room, where everyone knows each other well, I should imagine the air might be blue after a match, particularly if Fergie and Tim get going."
John has full-blown Tourette's but manages to hold down a job as a caretaker at a community centre in Galashiels in the Scottish Borders. His condition was diagnosed at 11 and first highlighted in the programme John's Not Mad.
His management of the condition, centred on his refusal to take drugs to control the symptoms and his marvellous relationship with his mother, has won him widespread acclaim. He is heavily involved in helping fellow sufferers and has welcomed United's interest in Howard."Depending on the degree to which sufferers are affected it can cause turmoil in people's lives," he said. "People just don't know what is going on and even when they are diagnosed the medication tends to be based on anti-psychotic drugs, which have severe side effects.
"They are designed to slow you down. I was on so many drugs I was walking around half-dead like a zombie. I thought there was no way I could go on like that, so one day I faced up to the challenge and decided I would not take the drugs any more. I accept that I have the condition and just get on with it."
John's appearance in both documentaries raised awareness but also prompted subsequent research into TS. Thanks in large part to him, the veil of ignorance has been lifted.
It is also claimed that Mozart was a sufferer, which leads John to believe that Howard may himself be a genius. "Those that succeed in their chosen fields tend to do so spectacularly. The research does not reveal why this is so, only that somehow Tourette's is linked to examples of outstanding ability.
"I would urge Fergie to go for it. I'm quite sure Howard will become a cult figure at United. The amount of fan mail I get is unbelievable from people impressed and inspired by the way I deal with the condition.
"It will be the same for Tim at United. It may be that Tourette's has already made him a great and he just needs the right setting to bring his talent to the widest possible audience. He will get that at United."
Kevin Garside
THE Manchester United dressing- room is about to get a new hair-dryer, and it will not be Sir Alex Ferguson pushing the buttons.
Goalkeeping Tourette's sufferer extraordinaire Tim Howard is unlikely to utter a boo during a match, but before and after he will need to clear the decks in a way that will have even Fergie running for cover.
But Sir Alex, whose own "hair-dryer" outbursts are legendary, has nothing to fear from his new signing. Indeed, the MetroStars superstar could turn out to be the best he has ever made, because Howard is probably a genius.
That is the view of Britain's most celebrated sufferer of Tourette's Syndrome, John Davidson, the subject of two award-winning TV documentaries who claims that those afflicted can be freakishly gifted and urged Fergie not to hesitate in making Howard his man.
Like Davidson, Howard was born with Tourette's, a neurological disorder characterised by, among other things, rapid and involuntary tics and vocal outbursts. Howard was named New York Life Humanitarian of the Year in 2001 for his role in raising awareness of TS and is a member of the board of the Tourette Association of New Jersey.
He is also the top-rated and best-paid goalkeeper in Major League Soccer, who went to Japan as a member of the American squad and enjoyed training spells with AC Milan and Feyenoord before attracting the attention of Manchester United.
Ferguson's interest might be considered a gamble but not by Davidson, who became a household name following his appearance in John's Not Mad in 1989 and the 2002 follow-up, The Boy Can't Help It, two documentaries which did so much to raise public awareness of TS.
On the contrary, Davidson believes Howard may prove even better business than the signing of Peter Schmeichel, who himself knew a little about the scattering of expletives.
According to Davidson the condition is unlikely to affect Howard at all during matches and can be managed by spending 15 minutes alone in a room either side of a game.
"Tourette's affects people in different ways. Only a minority are affected by outbursts and if Howard is one of those it will not impact during a match. No-one knows why but in circumstances when sufferers are required to concentrate hard over a defined period the condition mysteriously disappears," said Davidson, who did not suffer one outburst during a half-hour conversation with Mirror Sport.
"Tim will be so focused on what he is doing that he will be able to pass through an entire match without seeing any symptoms. It's the same with me. If I'm playing football or driving I do not have an outburst. But I might when I stop.
"Tim will probably have to manage the situation by sitting down for 15 minutes in a room by himself before and after a match to get the outburst out of the way. A lot depends, too, on how the other players and Sir Alex react to him.
"Thankfully there is much more awareness and understanding of Tourette's these days. When I am having an outburst now around people who know me it is not a problem. You can even have a laugh about it. It is one of the ways you learn to cope.
"So in the atmosphere of the United dressing- room, where everyone knows each other well, I should imagine the air might be blue after a match, particularly if Fergie and Tim get going."
John has full-blown Tourette's but manages to hold down a job as a caretaker at a community centre in Galashiels in the Scottish Borders. His condition was diagnosed at 11 and first highlighted in the programme John's Not Mad.
His management of the condition, centred on his refusal to take drugs to control the symptoms and his marvellous relationship with his mother, has won him widespread acclaim. He is heavily involved in helping fellow sufferers and has welcomed United's interest in Howard."Depending on the degree to which sufferers are affected it can cause turmoil in people's lives," he said. "People just don't know what is going on and even when they are diagnosed the medication tends to be based on anti-psychotic drugs, which have severe side effects.
"They are designed to slow you down. I was on so many drugs I was walking around half-dead like a zombie. I thought there was no way I could go on like that, so one day I faced up to the challenge and decided I would not take the drugs any more. I accept that I have the condition and just get on with it."
John's appearance in both documentaries raised awareness but also prompted subsequent research into TS. Thanks in large part to him, the veil of ignorance has been lifted.
It is also claimed that Mozart was a sufferer, which leads John to believe that Howard may himself be a genius. "Those that succeed in their chosen fields tend to do so spectacularly. The research does not reveal why this is so, only that somehow Tourette's is linked to examples of outstanding ability.
"I would urge Fergie to go for it. I'm quite sure Howard will become a cult figure at United. The amount of fan mail I get is unbelievable from people impressed and inspired by the way I deal with the condition.
"It will be the same for Tim at United. It may be that Tourette's has already made him a great and he just needs the right setting to bring his talent to the widest possible audience. He will get that at United."
Saw Howard play on television. He went 292 minutes without allowing a goal. That ended tonight but I have to admit, with numbers like that,he would/could be a good addition to United.
<a href="http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlinenews?id=267711&cc=5901" target="_blank">http://soccernet.espn.go.com/headlinenews?id=267711&cc=5901</a>
Wanted: By Manchester United
First it was Kasey Keller. Then Brad Friedel. Now it appears that Tim Howard might become the latest U.S. National Team goalkeeper to play in the vaunted English Premier League.
ESPN.com has learned through a source that Manchester United, perhaps the world's most revered club, has made an offer to Major League Soccer in hopes of acquiring the 24-year-old MetroStar.
When reached for comment, MLS Deputy Commissioner Ivan Gazidis would only say the following: "There's discussions about our top players every day, as clubs around the world express interest on a regular basis."
The EPL champions originally got in contact with Howard and MetroStars G.M. Nick Sakiewicz in March. They requested to get a look at the MLS all-star in training over in England, but settled for a series of video clips since the MetroStars were already gathered for preseason training. At the time, Sakiewicz said that Howard would have his blessing to go if a contract was offered, while Howard was quoted as saying, "You dream about things like this," calling Manchester United "the biggest sports team in world history."
After watching tapes of Howard in action, Man. U. sent its goalkeeper coach, Paul Barron, to Houston to take in the U.S.-Mexico friendly on May 8. He was apparently sold on Howard after seeing him stifle the Mexicans with five saves in posting a shutout in the 0-0 draw. Manager Sir Alex Ferguson could be looking at Howard as an understudy to France's Fabien Barthez, the World Cup hero in 1998, or as a less expensive option as his first-team keeper should the 31-year-old Barthez be let go.
Bringing Howard in could be one of the "two or three signings" that Ferguson recently mentioned could be in store for Manchester United, rather than the wholesale changes that have been speculated since the club was defeated by Real Madrid in the quarterfinals of the Champions League.
Ferguson has been rumored to be going after Brazilian midfielder Ronaldinho, Real Madrid midfielder Claude Makelele and Blackburn's Damien Duff, amongst others, to round out his juggernaut that includes world stars such as David Beckham, Ryan Giggs and Barclayard Player of the Year Ruud van Nistelrooy.
Howard signed a four-year contract with MLS in January to make the league's maximum ($270,000). He would stand to get a considerable raise with Man. U. and Major League Soccer would also receive a transfer fee for a player of Howard's caliber. Should Man. U. want Howard available for preseason training, the squad will be touring the U.S. this summer with games in Seattle (July 22), Los Angeles (July 27), East Rutherford, N.J. (July 31) and Philadelphia (Aug. 3).
The North Brunswick, N.J., native joined the MetroStars in 1998 season as a Project 40 player. He played in 19 games his first three seasons before becoming the team's starter in 2001. Since that time, he has led MLS in saves the past two seasons and has blossomed into the top goalkeeper in the league.
Howard, who trained in the off-season with Feyenoord in Holland, has been just as exceptional in 2003, being one of the main reasons why Bob Bradley's club is off and running with a 4-1-1 record to top the Eastern Conference. In that time, he has posted three shutouts and has allowed a mere three goals for a league-leading 0.49 goals-against-average, including a current 229-minute shutout streak dating back to May 3. For the U.S. National Team, he has played in five games this year, going 2-1-1, after winning his only two starts for Bruce Arena's squad in 2002.
At 6-foot-3, 210 pounds, the former high school basketball star is known for his long reach and tremendous athleticism that allows him to make acrobatic saves on balls that normally would find the back of the net.
"You can hit a shot that you promise is going in and you think is going in the net already, and he'll go and make the most mind-boggling save," says Columbus Crew midfielder Kyle Martino. "He's a tough goalkeeper to beat day-in and day-out."
That's what some of the top players in the world already say about Friedel and Keller. Maybe next season that's what they'll be saying about Howard.
At Old Trafford.
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Wanted: By Manchester United
First it was Kasey Keller. Then Brad Friedel. Now it appears that Tim Howard might become the latest U.S. National Team goalkeeper to play in the vaunted English Premier League.
ESPN.com has learned through a source that Manchester United, perhaps the world's most revered club, has made an offer to Major League Soccer in hopes of acquiring the 24-year-old MetroStar.
When reached for comment, MLS Deputy Commissioner Ivan Gazidis would only say the following: "There's discussions about our top players every day, as clubs around the world express interest on a regular basis."
The EPL champions originally got in contact with Howard and MetroStars G.M. Nick Sakiewicz in March. They requested to get a look at the MLS all-star in training over in England, but settled for a series of video clips since the MetroStars were already gathered for preseason training. At the time, Sakiewicz said that Howard would have his blessing to go if a contract was offered, while Howard was quoted as saying, "You dream about things like this," calling Manchester United "the biggest sports team in world history."
After watching tapes of Howard in action, Man. U. sent its goalkeeper coach, Paul Barron, to Houston to take in the U.S.-Mexico friendly on May 8. He was apparently sold on Howard after seeing him stifle the Mexicans with five saves in posting a shutout in the 0-0 draw. Manager Sir Alex Ferguson could be looking at Howard as an understudy to France's Fabien Barthez, the World Cup hero in 1998, or as a less expensive option as his first-team keeper should the 31-year-old Barthez be let go.
Bringing Howard in could be one of the "two or three signings" that Ferguson recently mentioned could be in store for Manchester United, rather than the wholesale changes that have been speculated since the club was defeated by Real Madrid in the quarterfinals of the Champions League.
Ferguson has been rumored to be going after Brazilian midfielder Ronaldinho, Real Madrid midfielder Claude Makelele and Blackburn's Damien Duff, amongst others, to round out his juggernaut that includes world stars such as David Beckham, Ryan Giggs and Barclayard Player of the Year Ruud van Nistelrooy.
Howard signed a four-year contract with MLS in January to make the league's maximum ($270,000). He would stand to get a considerable raise with Man. U. and Major League Soccer would also receive a transfer fee for a player of Howard's caliber. Should Man. U. want Howard available for preseason training, the squad will be touring the U.S. this summer with games in Seattle (July 22), Los Angeles (July 27), East Rutherford, N.J. (July 31) and Philadelphia (Aug. 3).
The North Brunswick, N.J., native joined the MetroStars in 1998 season as a Project 40 player. He played in 19 games his first three seasons before becoming the team's starter in 2001. Since that time, he has led MLS in saves the past two seasons and has blossomed into the top goalkeeper in the league.
Howard, who trained in the off-season with Feyenoord in Holland, has been just as exceptional in 2003, being one of the main reasons why Bob Bradley's club is off and running with a 4-1-1 record to top the Eastern Conference. In that time, he has posted three shutouts and has allowed a mere three goals for a league-leading 0.49 goals-against-average, including a current 229-minute shutout streak dating back to May 3. For the U.S. National Team, he has played in five games this year, going 2-1-1, after winning his only two starts for Bruce Arena's squad in 2002.
At 6-foot-3, 210 pounds, the former high school basketball star is known for his long reach and tremendous athleticism that allows him to make acrobatic saves on balls that normally would find the back of the net.
"You can hit a shot that you promise is going in and you think is going in the net already, and he'll go and make the most mind-boggling save," says Columbus Crew midfielder Kyle Martino. "He's a tough goalkeeper to beat day-in and day-out."
That's what some of the top players in the world already say about Friedel and Keller. Maybe next season that's what they'll be saying about Howard.
At Old Trafford.
BTW, Metrostars are playing here (Columbus) next weekend. I think I may get some tickets and see if my best friend and maybe the husband want to go.May be a good chance to see Howard play, if he is still there.
Say hello to the future...from SI.com (although definitely not the most reliable source)
United lines up Howard bid
Report: Manchester targets MetroStars keeper
Posted: Tuesday May 27, 2003 8:25 AM
EAST RUTHERFORD, New Jersey (AP) -- Manchester United is on the verge of buying the rights to MetroStars goalkeeper Tim Howard for about $3 million, according to a published report.
The Herald News of West Paterson, citing two unnamed league sources, said the deal will be completed this week. MetroStars general manager Nick Sakiewicz would not comment on the report, but the team confirmed last week that the British club had inquired about purchasing Howard's contract.
Howard, who has been the MLS goalkeeper of the year for the past two seasons, has posted three shutouts this season and leads the league in saves, save percentage and goals-against average
United lines up Howard bid
Report: Manchester targets MetroStars keeper
Posted: Tuesday May 27, 2003 8:25 AM
EAST RUTHERFORD, New Jersey (AP) -- Manchester United is on the verge of buying the rights to MetroStars goalkeeper Tim Howard for about $3 million, according to a published report.
The Herald News of West Paterson, citing two unnamed league sources, said the deal will be completed this week. MetroStars general manager Nick Sakiewicz would not comment on the report, but the team confirmed last week that the British club had inquired about purchasing Howard's contract.
Howard, who has been the MLS goalkeeper of the year for the past two seasons, has posted three shutouts this season and leads the league in saves, save percentage and goals-against average
Well, those sorts of reports usually turn out true in the NBA.
More on Howard from Planetfootball...possible double post...
<a href="http://www.planetfootball.com/article.asp?id=148407&cpid=8&title=United+step+up+Howard+hunt" target="_blank">United make bid on Howard</a>
<a href="http://www.planetfootball.com/article.asp?id=148407&cpid=8&title=United+step+up+Howard+hunt" target="_blank">United make bid on Howard</a>