Are people now actually annoyed by people saying the absolute fact that this record didn't result in any significant trophy, not even a single title challenge ? Because..yeah, that's a fact whether you like it or not.
United Away Record | We've not won anything yet, waaaaaaah
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This was harder than winning a trophy, other teams have won trophies before but they’ve never achieved this record. at the wheel
Keep your trophies, I'll take a hard-earned point at St.Mary's any day.
It's not really a overreaction. I'm just genuinely curious as to what you get out of posting so much negative stuff. If you find that fun then fair enough I guess. At least to me anyway I wouldn't find it a good use of my time disliking my the football club I support, there's seems to be a decent number of United fans online at least who really aren't into the supporting aspect of football culture.
Don't twist the situation! People are annoyed because some miserable sods here are so up their own arses that they are not only unable to acknowledge a good thing but also call it "small time" to even acknowledge it. What next? Should we not acknowledge any wins in the PL and celebrate a little until we have won the league?
But Only away games?
It's simple to me. Did we pick up the most points away last season?
City: 14 W, 3 D, 2 L, 45 pts.
Invincible Man Utd: 12 W, 7 D, 0 L, 43 pts.
No, the champions City did.
Whilst we drew a ton, and got a 'record'. They lost 2 matches but won more, picked up more points, and won the league.
Where's the acclaim over City's away record? Whilst ours is special even though we picked up less points? It feels incredibly dumb and small time to me.
I'd rather throw the kitchen sink risking defeat, to win more, win more points = higher % of trophies, than meekly draw to keep a meaningless record intact, finishing up with nothing.
City: 14 W, 3 D, 2 L, 45 pts.
Invincible Man Utd: 12 W, 7 D, 0 L, 43 pts.
No, the champions City did.
Whilst we drew a ton, and got a 'record'. They lost 2 matches but won more, picked up more points, and won the league.
Where's the acclaim over City's away record? Whilst ours is special even though we picked up less points? It feels incredibly dumb and small time to me.
I'd rather throw the kitchen sink risking defeat, to win more, win more points = higher % of trophies, than meekly draw to keep a meaningless record intact, finishing up with nothing.
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Where is the furore and platitudes over United's away record? Is it not allowed to acknowledge it and appreciate it is a good thing rather than a bad thing without being miserable for a second?
Who's record would you rather have, City's or ours?
How am I being miserable? It is fact. We did not even have the best away record so what's to celebrate? There was also no fans present making it even more irrelevant.
If we'd rather draw matches to keep the record intact, then it's not always a good thing is it? I'd happily see us lose the next away match, if it meant we would go for the win in drawing positions much more, and finish with more points overall.
Whose record would I have? Better than City, I'd rather win all the 19 away games. Isn't it the same for all the fans? Everyone would want to win all those 19 away games. Saying that, the away record that we got last season was still a good thing rather than a bad thing. That's why I would like to appreciate that rather than moan why we didn't win all the 19 games.
Careful mate, you will upset some posters on here with that blast of realism.
Some deluded sods are so up their own Jacksies they are convincing themselves that going undefeated away in empty stadiums is something to be celebrated. Despite winning nothing and just collapsing in the league .
Again, who is celebrating it? Seriously, look up what 'celebrate' and 'acknowledge' means in the dictionary. And yeah, just so we know, should we celebrate or even acknowledge if and when we win the next PL game cause you know we haven't won the league this season yet or is it too small time to do it?
You're missing my point. If you would choose City's (they got more points who wouldn't?), over our invincible run, then doesn't that say a lot about how valuable it is overall?
Great record and while away results where probably easier with no fans it’s a remarkable achievement
It also highlights our home form as unbeaten that long away in the league should be given you a title or challenge at least.
It also highlights our home form as unbeaten that long away in the league should be given you a title or challenge at least.
Wait, why is it now scandalous to suggest we should be winning trophies? Yes, Manchester United Football Club are in fact "supposed" to win trophies. We're arguably the biggest and richest club in the world and yet our achievements are now limited to second place trophies, beating Pep x2, Europa League runners up and longest unbeaten away record. Just because we've been run like a shit show in the last few years doesn't mean we should have to accept mediocrity. Yes, it's a good record but it's nothing more than that.
You one a dem "math wizards"? Keep your sorcery outta here!
I get what you're saying and everyone sees that its not a valuable "achievement". But its stll a good thing and its not "small-time" to acknowledge it. Is it?
It’s a great achievement but his point is valid. Going unbeaten is impressive but the fact that city got more points away is just showing you would take a loss or 2 if you win the ones you draw.
out of interest how do you think fans should acknowledge this record happened?
or do you think we should just not mention it at all?
Thank you Juan Mata. Truff in 2 sentences. Truff is usually not black and white folks.
Oh yeah, I have been completely agreeing with that all along. The annoyance is just that some posters here can't even acknowledge it's a good achievement and calling others small time for doing so.
Look I’m glad it happened and it’s in the history books. I guess last season was the best time to do it since our home form was so bad it didn’t make a difference to our league position
Of course it’s a good achievement. It also shows that we lack a little turning the draws into wins. Varane, Sancho and Ronaldo hopefully is that difference.
surely that makes it the worst time to do it?
It shows resilience, and an unwillingness to lose. It's a step in the right direction. But it's not something to protect at the expense of winning future matches.
City's record highlights it's better to risk losing a couple, but turn those draws into wins, than go undefeated only to draw a lot like us.
I think the record is a bit of a statistical anomaly, to be honest, there were definitely quite a few of those games where we got lucky after playing poorly
we're not a great side (just a good side, in my opinion) so it's not a record that goes hand-in-hand with where we're at as a club right now
that said, there are a lot of great things about it too - the amount of times we came from behind is remarkable and shows the resilience of the team, and the togetherness of the team which Ole has cultivated
it's a great platform to build from in terms of confidence, that's for sure
considering where we were three years ago, with expectations at an all time low and the team playing utter crap - it's pretty great to have something like this (despite not earning any trophies from it, and riding our luck at times)
clearly it rubs some posters the wrong way to even talk about the club doing good things, for some reason.. We all know what the reason is, of course
we're not a great side (just a good side, in my opinion) so it's not a record that goes hand-in-hand with where we're at as a club right now
that said, there are a lot of great things about it too - the amount of times we came from behind is remarkable and shows the resilience of the team, and the togetherness of the team which Ole has cultivated
it's a great platform to build from in terms of confidence, that's for sure
considering where we were three years ago, with expectations at an all time low and the team playing utter crap - it's pretty great to have something like this (despite not earning any trophies from it, and riding our luck at times)
clearly it rubs some posters the wrong way to even talk about the club doing good things, for some reason.. We all know what the reason is, of course
do what i can. I know how much phil is disliked here, there and everywhere.
I take issue with any suggestion that because we are Manchester United, we 'should' be winning trophies.
The clubs who 'should' be winning trophies are the clubs who have been well-run, well-managed and who possess talented, hard-working players.
We didn't tick any of those boxes between 2013-2018 so we deserved nothing, which is pretty much what we got.
I don't mind people having ambition, but that's different from being entitled and thinking we can expect it just to happen because we won lots of trophies 15 years ago
One of the most depressing threads ever on the Cafe.
"how dare you risk any of us thinking you're happy by mentioning something we've done!"
"how dare you risk any of us thinking you're happy by mentioning something we've done!"
But if our manager had the audacity to claim an unbeaten away record (amongst others he’s beaten in his time as manager) without lifting a single piece off silverware in the last few years I’d say ‘OI! SOLKSJÆR! NO!
I'm so small time, I celebrate every contested throw in United win. I celebrate every drop ball, every coin toss.
If I wanted to see silverware, I'd only switch over from Corrie when cup finals are on, but I support my team and am proud of them for every achievement and no one can tell me I can't be.
If I wanted to see silverware, I'd only switch over from Corrie when cup finals are on, but I support my team and am proud of them for every achievement and no one can tell me I can't be.
Genuinely don't see what entertainment some of you get out of football
There's a lot of people in this thread that don't understand that there is a scale when it comes to celebrating things, and it's ok to celebrate lesser things than trophies.
We celebrate every goal United score, every win, big signings, saves, tackles, so why an earth wouldn't we celebrate the longest unbeaten away record in the PL? Not saying we need an open top bus parade or anything, but if it's OK to celebrate every goal and every win along the way, then it's OK to celebrate the record.
We celebrate every goal United score, every win, big signings, saves, tackles, so why an earth wouldn't we celebrate the longest unbeaten away record in the PL? Not saying we need an open top bus parade or anything, but if it's OK to celebrate every goal and every win along the way, then it's OK to celebrate the record.
All fans especially the match going fans to remain silent when we score goals as well. Until we win the league it's just small time to acknowledge anything positive.
No fun til 21 is done!
No fun til 21 is done!
Donald Trump would be bigging up finishing 2nd behind Pep though.
"Everyone tells me that's the bestest 2nd place finish ever."
Kind of sounds like Mourinho, come to think of it.
I get your point, I really do. There's an argument to be made for some of us being spoiled. But I bet Ole will be thinking the same, despite all the progress he's made.
Personally I just don't find this unbeaten away record that impressive. Most of the matches we played were in empty stadiums. I think that played a significant part.
I think people are annoyed some posters are throwing cold water over the record and are negative per se about it. I mean nobody is celebrating it, people are just stating its a nice record to achieve and have and the resident pessimists are all about 'buuuuut it doesnt mean trophies, dont celebrate it, its so small time!' Its just making things up and then making an argument about something that doesnt exist like celebrating the record cause nobody is doing that.
It seems you cant be positive about anything United related these days without someone being a party pooper. Best part was when one poster said it actually isnt a record at all cause games were being played in front of empty stands. Mental.
It's a nice record to have, we did well and I don't think anyone is claiming any more.
Arguments start when someone comes in going "where's the trophy". It's just inflammatory. Nobody was saying it deserves a trophy, and then you get other people saying "sorry we stated facts". How about just let people enjoy things.
Arguments start when someone comes in going "where's the trophy". It's just inflammatory. Nobody was saying it deserves a trophy, and then you get other people saying "sorry we stated facts". How about just let people enjoy things.
Stop talking reason here.
People don´t like it at all.
As good as this record is without silverware to go with it is meaningless.
Everyone knows that for feck sake!
Nobody is planning an open top bus celebration to commemorate breaking the unbeaten away record. Nobody is weeping tears of joy.
It's just one thread on a Utd board with people going oh we broke the record? Oh cool. And then people coming in going IT'S MEANINGLESS, IT'S MEANINGLESS, IT'S MEANINGLESS etc.