United’s next manager

For some weird reason I woke up this morning thinking about the home game v Southampton in SAF’s last season.

They had just incurred the wrath of the British media by sacking Nigel Adkins and appointing foreign unknown Pochettino. And they absolutely battered us with some of the best football I’d seen from a side visiting OT since I don’t know when. They took an early lead. And yet they still lost.

Ever since then I’ve been a big fan of Poch. The knots some posters have tied themselves into by trying to belittle his work at Spurs (“Sherwood laid the foundations” :D) have been hilarious.

I can’t get rid of the feeling that he’s just not fated to be a winner though.
 
Anyone til the end of the season (Blanc, Wenger, Ranieri, Hiddink, Big fecking Sam) I honestly don't care. Wenger would play the best football, and he's decent with youth, so he'd be my pick.

Nagelsmann in the summer. He is the best young coach in world football. Get him in.
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
Your statement has zero sense here.

They have been in better side for quite some time, I agree with you on this and I won’t deny it but it has nothing to do with being called step down.

The credit of Tottenham’s achievement should be given to the manager for able to build his team & develop young player. It has nothing to with the club’s reputation or resource to support the manager. Leipzig has been the better side than Southampton, so why Ralph thinks moving from a top bundes Liga team to a mid table EPL team will be considered step up?

Being the better side is not the case, our reputation & resource to support the manager is bigger than Tottenham, no it’s not step down. Poch might see that he can do more or achieve more at United given a bigger resource & reputation than he was at Tottenham. And I’m not going to repeat this myself but Tottenham is also need a rebuilding process with their ageing defense & average midfield. Just like us, they are nowhere near to win major trophy.
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As carra said reputation and resources means little if they aren't invested on the team. It's the people on the pitch who win trophies for the club not the brand name or the money in the bank
 
I would like to see Diego Simeone get the job. The guy managed to win La Liga while Ronaldo and Messi were at their best. With a squad not that much better than our own.

Sure - his brand of football is not pleasing to the eye, yet it will still be better than what we are currently enduring.
 
devilish said:
As carra said reputation and resources means little if they aren't invested on the team. It's the people on the pitch who win trophies for the club not the brand name or the money in the bank
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Once again, your statement has zero sense. Sure I don't disagree with what Carra said but the argument here is about United & Spurs, and we have been investing much more than Spurs. Thus Poch moving to United from Spurs is not step down.
 
Nagalsmann is barely 1/4 of a season into his new job. Can we stop assuming we can get him in please.
 
Nagelsmann, Rose or even maybe Ten Hag should be the candidates due to their school of thought on how they want to play the game. Allegri IMO would be sacked within a year and won't have the likes of Marotta, Paratici etc handing him a world class team on a plate. The football would be awful too.
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
But we have been investing much more than Spurs. Thus Poch moving to United from Spurs is not step down.
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Squad wise it's ain't showing and it will take years to come to par with 3 players per year
 
devilish said:
Squad wise it's ain't showing and it will take years to come to par with 3 players per year
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I have stated a couple of times that the rebuild will cost c700m. Football economics has changed since the Neymar deal. 3 per window is not enough. Probably 5 are required in each window x3 windows. However, read the usual risk factors in the Accounts (always negative for any Co) and you will see how a down turn in fortunes impacts the financials of the business. So either its cut your cloth or the Glazers convert the their B shares in A shares list these & sell and that is then at the disposal of the manager...... er not Ollie or an interim. This will dilute the Glazers so a question mark here but general common sense should prevail as their investment value is being eroded quickly. They need a DoF to oversee the spend. Get a plan in place & sell it then you can attract the right players, some of these will be transitional players to get us from A to B. As a time frame commit and plan correctly they could challenge again within 4 years. Dither and its 10+.

As a point on this as to how some good fortune can change things. Scouserpool get lucky with timing (admittedly some foresight) in getting Klopp. Klopp then buys 3 forwards for his style of play. All 3 of those were before the Neymar deal. Then in addition the Scousers get a double whammy in selling Countinho after the PSG sent transfers values in to the stratosphere. Huge a mount of luck their in terms of timing and net benefit. However, they have also bought well Salah, Countinho pre Neymar deal.... DoF in situ.
 
devilish said:
Squad wise it's ain't showing and it will take years to come to par with 3 players per year
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What are you talking about?

Their squad wise isn't looking good either:

Sissoko, Winks & Dier won't even make it to United's midfield XI & won't even be considered as a decent signing for our midfield as step up or rebuild, even if we sign them for free.

Their defense are ageing and soon need to be replaced. You won't swap Lloris with DDG. No way you want to swap Sanchez, Vert & Toby combined with Tuanzebe, Lindelof & Maguire combined. Lindelof & Maguire still have bigger future in front while Vert & Toby already almost past their prime age.

Poch wanted Bissaka but he didn't get one and he hasn't sign a replacement for Trippier means they also need a new right back for their rebuilding process.

They are also likely going to lose their 3 XI players Vert, Toby & Eriksen in the summer.

Their attackers are the only thing in safe at the moment, Kane & Son. But let's face the reality, it's not possible to upgrade their midfield & defense in 1 and 2 windows given with less resource. By the time they fix their defense & midfield, both Kane & Son might already past their prime.
 
If he's that talented we should make preparations to get him in a few years as City did with Pep
 
Thisistheone said:
Would be my number one choice. Sadly I can't see it happening though.
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What makes him as your first choice? I'm curious.

I only watched his game once in CL recently against Lyon. Didn't impress him.

No doubt he is the wonderkid manager at his age has potential to be world class manager may be in the future but at the moment is he really worth to be called a no 1 choice?

Poch would be my personal no 1 choice. But before him I would take Tuchel but if Tuchel is impossible choice, I would take a punt on Ralph & Howe first.
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
What are you talking about?

Their squad wise isn't looking good either:

Sissoko, Winks & Dier won't even make it to United's midfield XI & won't even be considered as a decent signing for our midfield as step up or rebuild, even if we sign them for free.

Their defense are ageing and soon need to be replaced. You won't swap Lloris with DDG. No way you want to swap Sanchez, Vert & Toby combined with Tuanzebe, Lindelof & Maguire combined. Lindelof & Maguire still have bigger future in front while Vert & Toby already almost past their prime age.

Poch wanted Bissaka but he didn't get one and he hasn't sign a replacement for Trippier means they also need a new right back for their rebuilding process.

They are also likely going to lose their 3 XI players Vert, Toby & Eriksen in the summer.

Their attackers are the only thing in safe at the moment, Kane & Son. But let's face the reality, it's not possible to upgrade their midfield & defense in 1 and 2 windows given with less resource. By the time they fix their defense & midfield, both Kane & Son might already past their prime.
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As sir alex used to say. The EPL table does not lie. They are way better then us
 
Revaulx said:
For some weird reason I woke up this morning thinking about the home game v Southampton in SAF’s last season.

They had just incurred the wrath of the British media by sacking Nigel Adkins and appointing foreign unknown Pochettino. And they absolutely battered us with some of the best football I’d seen from a side visiting OT since I don’t know when. They took an early lead. And yet they still lost.

Ever since then I’ve been a big fan of Poch. The knots some posters have tied themselves into by trying to belittle his work at Spurs (“Sherwood laid the foundations” :D) have been hilarious.

I can’t get rid of the feeling that he’s just not fated to be a winner though.
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That's the game where I took note of Poch, too. We couldn't get out of our half at all. I remember after the game Sir Alex heaping a tonne of praise on Poch.

After said game, I kept a close eye on Southampton for the rest of the season, and, by the end of it, I already wanted Poch to succeed Ferguson his work was that impressive.

as big a fan I am of his, I have to admit that I share your sentiments about him not being a winner due to his approach to domestic cups, the Europa league, and Spurs' capitulation in 15/16, but I'm remaining optimistic in that if he were to be backed heavily at a top club like Pep and Klopp, he could very well compete with the best of them and maybe come out on top!
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
What makes him as your first choice? I'm curious.

I only watched his game once in CL recently against Lyon. Didn't impress him.

No doubt he is the wonderkid manager at his age has potential to be world class manager may be in the future but at the moment is he really worth to be called a no 1 choice?

Poch would be my personal no 1 choice. But before him I would take Tuchel but if Tuchel is impossible choice, I would take a punt on Ralph & Howe first.
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Feel like we've tried the old legend manager, in LvG. The super manager in Mourinho. Both were past their peak though. Would personally like to see us stick to a similar transfer strategy as this summer, signing younger players on the rise and marrying that approach with the best young coach that is on the rise and the general sensus seems to be that Nagelsmann is the next big thing. Marco Rose also falls into this category, as does the Ajax manager ten Hag.

However he's only just signed with Leipzig who planned a year or two in advance to get him. & then Bayern will no doubt want him.
 
Jund said:
I would like to see Diego Simeone get the job. The guy managed to win La Liga while Ronaldo and Messi were at their best. With a squad not that much better than our own.

Sure - his brand of football is not pleasing to the eye, yet it will still be better than what we are currently enduring.
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Simeone's squad then was much better than our current one still.
 
devilish said:
As sir alex used to say. The EPL table does not lie. They are way better then us
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Based on Sir Alex, Moyes was the right manager. As what Sir Alex used to say, Phil Jones is the next Duncan Edwards.

If only you can see some sense into it, the EPL table also reflects the manager's ability. Mourinho > Poch in 16/17. Poch > Ole now.
 
Yagami said:
That's the game where I took note of Poch, too. We couldn't get out of our half at all. I remember after the game Sir Alex heaping a tonne of praise on Poch.

After said game, I kept a close eye on Southampton for the rest of the season, and, by the end of it, I already wanted Poch to succeed Ferguson his work was that impressive.

as big a fan I am of his, I have to admit that I share your sentiments about him not being a winner due to his approach to domestic cups, the Europa league, and Spurs' capitulation in 15/16, but I'm remaining optimistic in that if he were to be backed heavily at a top club like Pep and Klopp, he could very well compete with the best of them and maybe come out on top!
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Hmmm.

Painful as it is to admit, I can’t help noticing the similarities with Moyes. Even when his Everton were in good form, they’d crash out of cup completions in a ludicrous manner. Their craven capitulation at home to Wigan just before getting the United job was an example of why I knew he was going to be a disaster. The same thing happens to Spurs far too often.

I’m also pretty certain that the Board’s* thinking behind bringing Moyes to United was “well he can regularly achieve 5th or 6th at Everton; he will have no problem getting 3rd or 4th with a bit more money to spend...”

* what the hell SAF’s thinking was I have absolutely no idea :annoyed:
 
devilish said:
As sir alex used to say. The EPL table does not lie. They are way better then us
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I think what he's saying is that United has the prestige/allure that Tottenham cannot match or come close to which will attract Pochettino. And if Duncan Castles is to be believed then one of the clubs Poch sees as being his next destination is United, even if we're currently rubbish. The potential to challenge for all and sundry is significantly higher at United due to the clubs history and finances. It's a pity we've wasted so much money post SAF, but someone like Poch would fancy having a large transfer kitty rather than work under restrictions at Spurs, which would be a step up/promotion in it self
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
Based on Sir Alex, Moyes was the right manager. As what Sir Alex used to say, Phil Jones is the next Duncan Edwards.

If only you can see some sense into it, the EPL table also reflects the manager's ability. Mourinho > Poch in 16/17. Poch > Ole now.
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To be fair, it’s quite obvious that Moyes wasn’t first choice
 
Adnan said:
I think what he's saying is that United has the prestige/allure that Tottenham cannot match or come close to which will attract Pochettino. And if Duncan Castles is to be believed then one of the clubs Poch sees as being his next destination is United, even if we're currently rubbish. The potential to challenge for all and sundry is significantly higher at United due to the clubs history and finances. It's a pity we've wasted so much money post SAF, but someone like Poch would fancy having a large transfer kitty rather than work under restrictions at Spurs, which would be a step up/promotion in it self
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There is no doubt that United have the reputation. Regarding the money I am a bit sceptical considering the two underwhelming transfer windows we had

However that doesn't really matter. Modern managers see clubs as 3-4 year long projects. They don't care about neither the past nor the distant future. United are poorly lead, the squad is ridiculously weak, we are out of the CL and we are struggling to put on the table the necessary funds to quickly compete. It also costed the career of 3 managers. Its a too high risk

I hope I wrong on this. However see it this way if I was Pochs I wouldn't take the job and I'm a United supporter
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
Shouldn't be considered in any choice.
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You've thrown Howe into the mix but at the time Moyes was similar, if not more impressive than Howe. Spent a decade at Everton punching above their weight even getting them into the top 4. Howe has done a great job at Bournemouth but the risk would be similar to Moyes. Not the same but similar.
 
devilish said:
There is no doubt that United have the reputation. Regarding the money I am a bit sceptical considering the two underwhelming transfer windows we had

However that doesn't really matter. Modern managers see clubs as 3-4 year long projects. They don't care about neither the past nor the distant future. United are poorly lead, the squad is ridiculously weak, we are out of the CL and we are struggling to put on the table the necessary funds to quickly compete. It also costed the career of 3 managers. Its a too high risk
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And what makes you think Spurs has any better future for their project to call moving to us as step down? You said you don't care about "the past" but you are keep mentioning about the league position in the past.

Right now they are no in any better situation. Their players are ageing, midfield are average, 3 of their main XI players are out of contract in the summer. Poch knows he can't achieve more but has to restart again. If the option is to stay at Spurs or join United. Of course join United is the better option with more resource and more young players in the squad.
 
Can't wait until we get a new manager in and we're still sh*te then we can make a NEW NEW Thread called. Man United's NEXT NEXT manager.

Rinse Repeat Ad infinitum.

Bunch of entitled spoilt kids.
 
Thisistheone said:
You've thrown Howe into the mix but at the time Moyes was similar, if not more impressive than Howe. Spent a decade at Everton punching above their weight even getting them into the top 4. Howe has done a great job at Bournemouth but the risk would be similar to Moyes. Not the same but similar.
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Your comparison is a lazy. Because the risk would be similar but only based on top level experiences. But that's also applied to Nagellsman right, he also lacks of top level experiences.

But you need to understand that the playing style is different between Moyes & either Howe & Nagellsmann. Moyes is defensive manager while Howe is attacking manager. Moyes, Big Sam & Roy Hodgson are what I called it same risk because they just don't suit United & Liverpool philosophy. Not saying Howe is the right one, but comparing Howe's case with Moyes's case is IMO a bit lazy comparison.
 
UnitedSofa said:
Can't wait until we get a new manager in and we're still sh*te then we can make a NEW NEW Thread called. Man United's NEXT NEXT manager.

Rinse Repeat Ad infinitum.

Bunch of entitled spoilt kids.
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Bore off you negative bitter fan!! We’re talking about trying to improve our manger hoping for better results. You’re in here shi££ing on it, why?
 
Russky14 said:
I have stated a couple of times that the rebuild will cost c700m. Football economics has changed since the Neymar deal. 3 per window is not enough. Probably 5 are required in each window x3 windows. However, read the usual risk factors in the Accounts (always negative for any Co) and you will see how a down turn in fortunes impacts the financials of the business. So either its cut your cloth or the Glazers convert the their B shares in A shares list these & sell and that is then at the disposal of the manager...... er not Ollie or an interim. This will dilute the Glazers so a question mark here but general common sense should prevail as their investment value is being eroded quickly. They need a DoF to oversee the spend. Get a plan in place & sell it then you can attract the right players, some of these will be transitional players to get us from A to B. As a time frame commit and plan correctly they could challenge again within 4 years. Dither and its 10+.

As a point on this as to how some good fortune can change things. Scouserpool get lucky with timing (admittedly some foresight) in getting Klopp. Klopp then buys 3 forwards for his style of play. All 3 of those were before the Neymar deal. Then in addition the Scousers get a double whammy in selling Countinho after the PSG sent transfers values in to the stratosphere. Huge a mount of luck their in terms of timing and net benefit. However, they have also bought well Salah, Countinho pre Neymar deal.... DoF in situ.
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In what world do you see the Glazers dipping their hands into their own pockets to pay for anything? They are using the club to take money out of it year on year, not to start investing heavily and especially not be downgrading their shareholding and earning potential. Also there will not be a director of football. Woody made that very clear this summer when he praised the work they did bringing in AWB, Maguire and James.

I am not disputing what you state is what is needed, or should happen, it just simply isn't going to happen.
 
Schmeichel's Cartwheel said:
You think he would reject Manchester United to stay at Leipzig? Our name alone could get him.
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Yes, because he just started at Leipzig where he can likely achieve more this season than coming to this shower of shite. He 1) is more professional than to leave a club he's just started a role at and 2) would likely not want to put his beginning efforts to waste where he is.

Leipzig waited a long time to bring him in. He signed a contract with them a year before becoming manager or something like that.
 
VP89 said:
Yes, because he just started at Leipzig where he can likely achieve more this season than coming to this shower of shite. He 1) is more professional than to leave a club he's just started a role at and 2) would likely not want to put his beginning efforts to waste where he is.

Leipzig waited a long time to bring him in. He signed a contract with them a year before becoming manager or something like that.
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Then we can get Marco Rose. Either is fine.

UnitedSofa said:
Can't wait until we get a new manager in and we're still sh*te then we can make a NEW NEW Thread called. Man United's NEXT NEXT manager.

Rinse Repeat Ad infinitum.

Bunch of entitled spoilt kids.
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Wanting what's best for the club is not spoilt.
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
Shouldn't be considered in any choice.
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Ferguson " Hi Moyes. We've got a major post opening up for a management position at the club. Would you be interested ?"
Moyes "ohmygod,ohmygod,ohmygod,ohmygod"
Ferguson " Colin the Janitor is leaving. So we need a new head janitor. Interested ? "
Moyes "ohmygod,ohmygod,ohmygod,ohmygod"
 
It doesn't really matter who we do or don't get in as a manager as the rot has already set in and will remain until the Glazers and Woody leave.

What can we do about it protest, build a fan kitty to buy the Glazers out?
 
Nagelsmann rejected Real Madrid last summer because he decided that it is too early for him to jump straight to one of the biggest clubs in the world. Yes, he will reject an offer from Manchester United, if he still thinks it's too early for him.
 
Relfy said:
In what world do you see the Glazers dipping their hands into their own pockets to pay for anything? They are using the club to take money out of it year on year, not to start investing heavily and especially not be downgrading their shareholding and earning potential. Also there will not be a director of football. Woody made that very clear this summer when he praised the work they did bringing in AWB, Maguire and James.

I am not disputing what you state is what is needed, or should happen, it just simply isn't going to happen.
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I concur we are dealing with the Tampa Bay Bucaneers owners. Look at their average position in their Division over the last 20 years its pap.

Concerted campaign to get rid required.
 
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Thisistheone said:
You've thrown Howe into the mix but at the time Moyes was similar, if not more impressive than Howe. Spent a decade at Everton punching above their weight even getting them into the top 4. Howe has done a great job at Bournemouth but the risk would be similar to Moyes. Not the same but similar.
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Spot on!
 
ILC said:
SAF goals per game: 1.85
"Defensive" manager Allegri at Juventus: 1.93
"Defensive" manager Allegri at Milan: 1.81 (only had Ibra for 2/4 seasons)
"Offensive" manager Pochettino at Tottenham: 1.90

The only truly good truly attacking managers right now are Klopp and Pep. And Pep is the only one who kept the goal average above 2 throughout his career. Everyone and everything else depends on their situation.
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