United’s next manager

If we are sacking Ole then hopefully we sign coaches/managers like Erik ten hag, Tuchel or Nagelsmann. Coaches who have very defined way of playing and also not afraid to take control of the game vs strong opponents.

Don't think any of them are realistic in mid season (doubt Tuchel will leave PSG unless they sack him) but we should be identifying coaches and start building the squad that will suit the manager.
 
I think a more holistic approach is required to change this club. Despite my growing reservations about Ole, it has become clear that there is a bigger problem than who is the manager. If the set up is not right, we will keep going in cycles with managers.
 
Wouldn't make sense to sack Solskjær unless Woodward plans on a complete sporting overhaul with a Director of Football in charge of the rebuild. But I'd prefer ten Hag.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
A new manager wouldn't make a difference, would be ridiculous to sack Ole.
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I really don’t understand this point of view. Why would it be ridiculous to sack a clearly underperforming and out of his depth manager? It would be ridiculous not to.
 
dove said:
I really don’t understand this point of view. Why would it be ridiculous to sack a clearly underperforming and out of his depth manager? It would be ridiculous not to.
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Because management clearly isn't the main issue. If we sack Ole I guarantee we'll be in the same position this time next season.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Because management clearly isn't the main issue. If we sack Ole I guarantee we'll be in the same position this time next season.
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If we make another stupid appointment then yeah. Doesn’t mean we should stop trying.
 
dove said:
I really don’t understand this point of view. Why would it be ridiculous to sack a clearly underperforming and out of his depth manager? It would be ridiculous not to.
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I think the point is it will take any manager 2/3 transfer windows to sort this squad out, a new manager now and then it’s back to square one.

I tend towards letting Solskjaer have a while longer yet, but results will ultimately determine all.
 
Mainoldo said:
Why? Will he coach different? Will he not know who to buy?

Explain where he will fail?
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This squad don't have enough about them, the club needs five or six new starting players. This won't be accomplished in one transfer window. It is a long process. Also, Woodward and the Glazers clearly couldn't care about challenging and their target is top four, it starts from the top. We are Arsenal now.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
We could appoint Pep and still be f*cked in my opinion.
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Nahh.. he'll play better football than ole. Yes maybe we won't get 5-0 / 8-0 every matches but we can see his pattern of play week in and week out.
 
I dont think we should be blaming ole for the current circus thats happening in the club. I dont think fans should turn on him when we have to face the fact we have a bang average squad! Ed should be getting all the stick for the mess we are in, not a football man and cares only about the commercial side. Let 2 strikers leave this summer, not replaced them and now this problem came back to bite us yesterday with no fit strikers!! We should have dropped rashford ages ago and make him fight for his place but we have no strikers who can replace him now. Im fuming ed has got away with this for so long and until we sort roots out we are going in this mess for years to come
 
I am beyond hope at this point. I think we are doomed for ever - no managerial change or no signing is going to make us competitive. We are stuck in this rut and we will be here forever, sinking deeper and deeper into mediocrity while we lower our expectations from being title challengers to top 4 contenders to top 6 to top half.

But seriously, our biggest issue ever since SAF retired is that we have not hired a single manager who specialises in playing attacking, entertaining football. We have no attacking pattern except cross and hope that our forwards who are all terrible in the air can do something about it. Moyes, LvG, or even Jose wouldn't have been such flops if the team had any attacking identity and they could concentrate on shoring up the defence. Our only priority should be to hire a manager who can teach our team how to score goals even if it comes at the cost of our defensive shape (not as if we are defensively solid anyway). It will be much easier to hire another manager to shore up our defense once our attack is sorted.
 
Steamboat Willy said:
FFS Right now you could have a juggling monkey, Ben Affleck or the Holy Ghost as our manager, and it wouldn’t matter with the current squad. Get us a CF, Two CM and a RW, then we can discuss the manager situation.
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and LB as Luke Shaw can't be trusted.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Because management clearly isn't the main issue. If we sack Ole I guarantee we'll be in the same position this time next season.
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You can't stick with a wrong manager for the sake of it though. Whose to say beyond reasonable doubt that someone like Allegri can't walk in and put a system in for the interim?
 
tekkers3 said:
Those wanting Ole out can piss off. Changing managers every few seasons has undoubtedly not been good for the club in recent times.
Ole clearly has a plan and is not going to ask the board to loosen the strings or keep on players that don't fit the United system or want to play for United.
Yes most of the players in the current squad are not United starter standard but those do not appear overnight and by adding 2/3 players a window, plus improving the ones we have got, we will be in a better place in time.
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Does the plan involve playing decent football as well? Or just being youthful, energetic and happy?
 
KiD MoYeS said:
This squad don't have enough about them, the club needs five or six new starting players. This won't be accomplished in one transfer window. It is a long process. Also, Woodward and the Glazers clearly couldn't care about challenging and their target is top four, it starts from the top. We are Arsenal now.
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Not being funny. But if you think Pep would have signed Dan James, not got a midfielder let Lukaku go and not replace him play Matic and Mata you clearly don’t know Pep. Not to mention Ashley Young....

The majority of what’s going on is Solskjaer’s decisions. I’ve never seen a Pep team sit back in my life.
 
tekkers3 said:
Those wanting Ole out can piss off. Changing managers every few seasons has undoubtedly not been good for the club in recent times.
Ole clearly has a plan and is not going to ask the board to loosen the strings or keep on players that don't fit the United system or want to play for United.
Yes most of the players in the current squad are not United starter standard but those do not appear overnight and by adding 2/3 players a window, plus improving the ones we have got, we will be in a better place in time.
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Yeah what's that plan then? Must be outside of the football pitch because it's obvious we have non on the field.
 
Nothing will change until we sort out the board.

Nagelsmann would be my choice, but firstly we need a DOF who actually knows football.
 
Steamboat Willy said:
FFS Right now you could have a juggling monkey, Ben Affleck or the Holy Ghost as our manager, and it wouldn’t matter with the current squad. Get us a CF, Two CM and a RW, then we can discuss the manager situation.
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Give Klopp that squad and he gets us into top 4. Give Pep that squad and he does too. Give it to Tuchel and he might as well.
 
Stevondo8 said:
I think the point is it will take any manager 2/3 transfer windows to sort this squad out, a new manager now and then it’s back to square one.

I tend towards letting Solskjaer have a while longer yet, but results will ultimately determine all.
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Yea, i would rather give the next 3 transfer windows to a new manager than Ole.
 
dove said:
I really don’t understand this point of view. Why would it be ridiculous to sack a clearly underperforming and out of his depth manager? It would be ridiculous not to.
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The issue is pretty clear here and it's not Ole. I am by no way an apologist for Solskjaer but who is writing the cheques for has-beens like Sanchez, Schweinsteiger, Falcao, all players on a downward trajectory. At the same time, who is renewing the contracts for players like Young, Rojo, Smalling, and Jones? The problem with our club lies at the door of the board. Was it right to sell Lukaku, of course, it was. He was angling for a move late last season he distanced himself from his teammates and was being put in the shop window by proxy with his national manager calling foul on his situation.

What is bad is selling him then trying to panic buy a player who clearly didn't want to join (Dybala) unless the wage structure was broken. No due diligence and a complete dereliction of duty from Arnold and Woodward. None of that can be put at Ole's table.

Sunday's game was hugely disappointing but expected. An imbalanced squad stripped to the core. Fans want the youngsters blooded and make an immediate impact. They are not ready and some of the older players are past it. I dont buy the frothing of the mouth nonsense that players like Young, Matic, Mata don't give a ****. For the latter two, they just are at least one season beyond what we need.

Sack Ole tomorrow or after the Arsenal game, it's hugely irrelevant. Whoever comes in won't change an imbalanced squad that we have in one, two, three windows. UNLESS the Glazers want to invest £200m - £300m each window which we all know won't happen. So I believe we will have more West Ham type performances before it gets better.

If the Glazers (forget Woodward) want to move the club forward, adopt the Dortmund model. A club on its knees and hours away from bankruptcy. Now run as one of the most robust and financially secure clubs with zero debt. Why? Because they get it right on the pitch and that is their philosophy. You get it right on the pitch, the sponsors and the money just flows in. How do you get it right on the pitch? Get the right people in at the top who understand football and who also understand the club. So all this crap about forward looking managers with a plan etc, every single manager is set up for failure at this club because of the people above them.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Allegri isn't a great coach though is he ? Isn't he more like Zidane than Pep/Klopp?
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He's pragmatic like Mourinho and I don't really see him as one of the best without a top top team.

Coaches like Klopp who takes average players and make them great aren't that many and to be honest I don't see us looking for this kind of managers,

Glazers and Ed, will want a recognized one
 
I've stopped hoping.

Doesn't matter who takes over, they're not getting meaningful results with this squad of players. They aren't improving this squad of players with a board that will tighten the purse strings as soon as they break into the top 4. We're doomed to repeat this cycle as long as the Glazers/Woodward are involved and no manager will change that.
 
r3idy said:
The issue is pretty clear here and it's not Ole. I am by no way an apologist for Solskjaer but who is writing the cheques for has-beens like Sanchez, Schweinsteiger, Falcao, all players on a downward trajectory. At the same time, who is renewing the contracts for players like Young, Rojo, Smalling, and Jones? The problem with our club lies at the door of the board. Was it right to sell Lukaku, of course, it was. He was angling for a move late last season he distanced himself from his teammates and was being put in the shop window by proxy with his national manager calling foul on his situation.

What is bad is selling him then trying to panic buy a player who clearly didn't want to join (Dybala) unless the wage structure was broken. No due diligence and a complete dereliction of duty from Arnold and Woodward. None of that can be put at Ole's table.

Sunday's game was hugely disappointing but expected. An imbalanced squad stripped to the core. Fans want the youngsters blooded and make an immediate impact. They are not ready and some of the older players are past it. I dont buy the frothing of the mouth nonsense that players like Young, Matic, Mata don't give a ****. For the latter two, they just are at least one season beyond what we need.

Sack Ole tomorrow or after the Arsenal game, it's hugely irrelevant. Whoever comes in won't change an imbalanced squad that we have in one, two, three windows. UNLESS the Glazers want to invest £200m - £300m each window which we all know won't happen. So I believe we will have more West Ham type performances before it gets better.

If the Glazers (forget Woodward) want to move the club forward, adopt the Dortmund model. A club on its knees and hours away from bankruptcy. Now run as one of the most robust and financially secure clubs with zero debt. Why? Because they get it right on the pitch and that is their philosophy. You get it right on the pitch, the sponsors and the money just flows in. How do you get it right on the pitch? Get the right people in at the top who understand football and who also understand the club. So all this crap about forward looking managers with a plan etc, every single manager is set up for failure at this club because of the people above them.
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Good post and all true. But a better manager would still do better even with the crap sitting behind desks above him.
 
r3idy said:
The issue is pretty clear here and it's not Ole. I am by no way an apologist for Solskjaer but who is writing the cheques for has-beens like Sanchez, Schweinsteiger, Falcao, all players on a downward trajectory. At the same time, who is renewing the contracts for players like Young, Rojo, Smalling, and Jones? The problem with our club lies at the door of the board. Was it right to sell Lukaku, of course, it was. He was angling for a move late last season he distanced himself from his teammates and was being put in the shop window by proxy with his national manager calling foul on his situation.

What is bad is selling him then trying to panic buy a player who clearly didn't want to join (Dybala) unless the wage structure was broken. No due diligence and a complete dereliction of duty from Arnold and Woodward. None of that can be put at Ole's table.

Sunday's game was hugely disappointing but expected. An imbalanced squad stripped to the core. Fans want the youngsters blooded and make an immediate impact. They are not ready and some of the older players are past it. I dont buy the frothing of the mouth nonsense that players like Young, Matic, Mata don't give a ****. For the latter two, they just are at least one season beyond what we need.

Sack Ole tomorrow or after the Arsenal game, it's hugely irrelevant. Whoever comes in won't change an imbalanced squad that we have in one, two, three windows. UNLESS the Glazers want to invest £200m - £300m each window which we all know won't happen. So I believe we will have more West Ham type performances before it gets better.

If the Glazers (forget Woodward) want to move the club forward, adopt the Dortmund model. A club on its knees and hours away from bankruptcy. Now run as one of the most robust and financially secure clubs with zero debt. Why? Because they get it right on the pitch and that is their philosophy. You get it right on the pitch, the sponsors and the money just flows in. How do you get it right on the pitch? Get the right people in at the top who understand football and who also understand the club. So all this crap about forward looking managers with a plan etc, every single manager is set up for failure at this club because of the people above them.
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We all know we have serious problems everywhere, top to bottom. However saying this "The issue is pretty clear here and it's not Ole." is just wrong. Ole is a part of the problem. He is just not good enough to manage Manchester United. Should we pretend he is good enough and deserves 5 years even though it's painfully obvious it's not the case? I don't blame Ole for accepting the job, everyone would have done the same. For this I 100% blame the board, offering him a permanent contract in fecking March is absolutely terrible decision and I said it from the very first day it happened. I don't trust our board to make a good appointment but sticking with someone who is clearly not good enough is not a solution IMO.
 
1988 said:
Wouldn't make sense to sack Solskjær unless Woodward plans on a complete sporting overhaul with a Director of Football in charge of the rebuild. But I'd prefer ten Hag.
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You think we have the right players to suit Ten Hag's style?
 
Chaky_Best said:
He's pragmatic like Mourinho and I don't really see him as one of the best without a top top team.

Coaches like Klopp who takes average players and make them great aren't that many and to be honest I don't see us looking for this kind of managers,

Glazers and Ed, will want a recognized one
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We need the second kind - the tactical coach manager (Pep/Klopp/Tuchel) as opposed to the manager of the dressing room (Zidane /Ancelotti).
 
There’s not much any manager can do in the short term. Why? Because we’ve just rewarded an underperforming goalkeeper with a mega new contract.

That dressing room remains toxic.

Things could be better but not better enough.
 
Fosu-Mens said:
Anyone that can improve the players technical abilities through training.
Play football based on possession and a system not based on coincidents and individial moments.

OGS and his team is not competent enough regardless of the standard of players in the team.
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Do you think the squad has enough players that are good enough to keep possession, especially players who can keep possession while also creating chances?
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
You think we have the right players to suit Ten Hag's style?
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We don't have the right players to suit any manager. We can't deny that we are in dire need of a massive rebuild. Any manager will need atleast two seasons to make it his.
 
Doesn't matter who you appoint when you have morons like Woodward and the Glazers running the club.
 
Madzik_92 said:
Nahh.. he'll play better football than ole. Yes maybe we won't get 5-0 / 8-0 every matches but we can see his pattern of play week in and week out.
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Really? How many clubs in our position has Pep come in and sorted out?

No if we were second place very nearly there with a fantastic squad and just needed the finishing touch then pep with a few hundred million budget would be great choice but we are miles from there and pep would not have us playinv like city with this squad
 
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