understrength side? Ye right!

Originally posted by Davo:
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Why would you take away the 2 goals? Because they were good?

O'Shea was skinned for the first one..their player shouldn't have had so much space and time to shoot from there

Half decent job my arse...you were thrashed by a very average side</strong><hr></blockquote>

I also thought we lost to an average side when i first saw the result and the teamsheet.. but when taking into account the standard of football we're playing these days i finally came to a conclusion that i should not be surprised with the scoreline.. it was deserved..

and maybe it'll do good for their experience in the future.. i said we did half decent because:

1. first half we kept the pressure on them until they scored.

2. I didn't expect forlan to score, yet he got the post.. good enuf' for me..

3. losing to two great goals in games like this would be very hard for anyone to come back against. you're away from home, you're already into the second round.. there was no need for that extra push.. the lads probably though it was haifa's day and that it was going to stay that way..

i think the players lacked the thirst and so it showed on the scoreline.
 
TBH, I am far more concerned with our performance against villa than the haifa result. We looked totally lacklustre against turnip's side and league form has to improve this sat.
 
Originally posted by Im red:
<strong>Lot's of bindippers here today. I wonder how many will show up tomorrow after Liverpool lose tonight. ? .</strong><hr></blockquote>
well I was correct and Liverpool have lost

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Originally posted by Im red:
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well I was correct and Liverpool have lost

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well, we don't see many of them today do we??

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I'm here and while we lost and have to beat basle away I still think we'll go through. As for the performance against Valencia wellI dont think we can step up a gear and win in Europe against the strong sides like Valencia, Real, Milan etc. It leads me to think that the premiership is of a poor quality as we are winning at home but not on the continent!!!

As for maccabi haifa being a good team I dont think they are just cos there in the champions league. There about as good as West Ham and if you lost 3-0 to them you lot would be spittin acid. But that said Man Utd went into the game already through so why would the players risk injury by going all out for a win!!!
 
Ferguson must of had some faith in the side he fielded against Macabi Hafia otherwise he wouldn't of played them

The side he put out were a good side in some respects with some class players in there, however, if you've ever played football, you can't just throw 11 men together and expect them to perform well

Ferguson was right to rest players, with the Christmas period approaching fast, and 'big' games in Liverpool and Arsenal coming up, he'll be wanting to make sure his 'big' players to be ready and fit, not injured/half fit

Ferguson made a choice, he got it wrong by effectivly playing 'kids' But as we all know, you can't win anything with kids - Isn't that right Mr.Hanson (Mr. Hanson is agreeing with me, I just mentioned Aston Villa 94 when we won 4-2 with 'kids' and went on to win the league - he's just all of a sudden changed his mind) ;)

There was some good players on that field, but as I said, you have to play them together for a little while before anything spectacular starts to happen
 
Originally posted by RUnited:
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you don't get it... we've been playing with a weakened side all season long with the kind of injuries we've had over the months..

yesterday's team was a second string one - with some players who have been playing in the weakened side involved. Get it?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Now you're being totally silly RUnited, expecting scousers to have even a modicum of intelligence.


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My opinion from watching the game was that it was a bit understrength, but thats not an excuse. It was how the players were deployed that was the problem. Phil and Fortune in midfield offered no protection of the defence, nor any creativity or quality passing going forward. Thats the midfield battle lost immediately. The defence was put under ridiculous pressure and Rio and O'Shea had to have great games to cope with it (both those players got the most cheers and chants because of it). Gary and Mickey were the only attacking impetus down their flanks, but were very slow getting back, and didn't cross well and had little support and no one to cross to. There was no frontline for most of the game as Ole started on the right, and then when he was moved up front, Forlan was moved to the right. Scholes played well, but deep, and was the only midfield player who had any movement off the ball. Richardson offered no outlets and crossed poorly, Fortune did a bit better when he was played down the wing late in the second half. But you can have as strong a defence as you like, if your midfield offers them no protection and creates NOTHING with no frontline whatsoever to create for, then you're going to lose. It was the craziest deployment I can remember Alex making and it was unnecessary, Ole could have played up front from the start, we could play Stewart in midfield with Scholes, put Forlan or Chadwick on the right wing and Nardiello up front - and still leave out all the first teamers that we did. Simply, players need to be played in their correct positions.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>My opinion from watching the game was that it was a bit understrength, but thats not an excuse. It was how the players were deployed that was the problem. Phil and Fortune in midfield offered no protection of the defence, nor any creativity or quality passing going forward. Thats the midfield battle lost immediately. The defence was put under ridiculous pressure and Rio and O'Shea had to have great games to cope with it (both those players got the most cheers and chants because of it). Gary and Mickey were the only attacking impetus down their flanks, but were very slow getting back, and didn't cross well and had little support and no one to cross to. There was no frontline for most of the game as Ole started on the right, and then when he was moved up front, Forlan was moved to the right. Scholes played well, but deep, and was the only midfield player who had any movement off the ball. Richardson offered no outlets and crossed poorly, Fortune did a bit better when he was played down the wing late in the second half. But you can have as strong a defence as you like, if your midfield offers them no protection and creates NOTHING with no frontline whatsoever to create for, then you're going to lose. It was the craziest deployment I can remember Alex making and it was unnecessary, Ole could have played up front from the start, we could play Stewart in midfield with Scholes, put Forlan or Chadwick on the right wing and Nardiello up front - and still leave out all the first teamers that we did. Simply, players need to be played in their correct positions.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I didn't watch this match, but if what you said is true then Fergie's tactic and formation are really worrying. Ole as winger is ridiculous, consider we don't have Ruud up front in this match. I agree that he need to get players to their correct positions, otherwise we just can't get on a good long run.
 
Originally posted by uranushk1:
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I didn't watch this match, but if what you said is true then Fergie's tactic and formation are really worrying. Ole as winger is ridiculous, consider we don't have Ruud up front in this match. I agree that he need to get players to their correct positions, otherwise we just can't get on a good long run.</strong><hr></blockquote>

it's been worrying for sometime now.. but just maybe our players are finally showing some adaptations..

becks was seen playing on the left side a couple of times in the Southampton game, but we did somewhat a good job with Veron finally producing some good plays..
 
Originally posted by RUnited:
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it's been worrying for sometime now.. but just maybe our players are finally showing some adaptations..

becks was seen playing on the left side a couple of times in the Southampton game, but we did somewhat a good job with Veron finally producing some good plays..</strong><hr></blockquote>

From what I saw on TV, Beckham only played on the left side for a few minutes, after he just took a corner from that side.

Agree that Veron did a good job in this game, but then we have Becks and Scholes under average. If all three of them can start to perform well in the same match, then we will be quite awesome.
 
Originally posted by uranushk1:
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Agree that Veron did a good job in this game, but then we have Becks and Scholes under average. If all three of them can start to perform well in the same match, then we will be quite awesome.</strong><hr></blockquote>

definitely.. i agree.. we need to get becks and scholes used to the 4-4-1-1 system.. scholes is doing an alright job, but becks is still far from it IMO.