Unbelievable "Beckham hunting"

uranushk1

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I'm really surprised to read the threads slagging off Beckham in these two days. Is it because the current team is doing so well recently that the moaners have lost their normal critize target (Giggs, Nevellies, Veron), so they choose a player who have been plagued by injury as their new target? I'm never a Beckham's hard core fan (see my profile, my most favourite player is Ryan Giggs), but at least I think a home grown world class player, a Red thru-and-thru and the vice captain of our club deserves a little more respect from the fans of his club. People critize him mainly have three points:

1. He has not been performing since 99
It's absolutely rubbish. He has scored the most number of goals in his career last season and his performance against Deportivo has effectively brought us into the CL semi-final. Since then he was seriously injured, being rushed back for the WC, never truly 100% recovered and then injured again in recent weeks. Hey, don't forget Fergie has made the "underperformed" Beckham as our vice captain! So he just can't be playing too bad, right?

2. He keep getting infield to affect our system and reduce our wing play.
That may be true, but if he just keep remaining on the right he will become too predictable and easily marked out. That's why Fergie instructs him to get infield since least season. Yes, it's fergie's decision. If anyone who think Beckham can ignore Fergie's tactical instruction and choose to play the game by his own way for over one year, he/she may not have an intelligence higher than an 8-years-old. So, if you don't like the position Beckham is playing now, blame Fergie, not Beckham.

3. He had too many activities outside the football field, got too many advertisements, and married a too famous wife.
That's all his private life and as long as he gives his all on the field, no one else has any right to determine what should he do in his own private life. It's normal for this pure jealousy and hatred comments came from those little newspaper or rival fans, but when this kind of comments were came from the mouth of our own fans, I really feel shame about them.
 
Originally posted by uranushk1:
<strong>I'm really surprised to read the threads slagging off Beckham in these two days.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Just for once, I totally agree with you.
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There is a difference between saying that he is overrated and he is crap.

It is not the same thing.

The hype is sometimes too much.
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>He should stay out wide though. :) </strong><hr></blockquote>

It's no problem to say that. I just can't stand those people who critize Beckham as if he chose to move infield because of his own selfish ambition.
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I have been very surprised at just how well Ole has played on the right. I think he should keep Becks out at the moment. I suppose that leaves me open to being a Beckham hunter. But I think he should still play for England.
 
Originally posted by dicko:
<strong>I have been very surprised at just how well Ole has played on the right. I think he should keep Becks out at the moment. I suppose that leaves me open to being a Beckham hunter. But I think he should still play for England.</strong><hr></blockquote>

No, dicko, it's absolutely no problem for anyone to say that Ole deserve to keep his place at the moment and Beckham need to work his way back in the team. My critize of the "Beckham hunter" only aims at those "fans" who either wanted to decide who should he marries and what Beckham should do and shouldn't do in his private life, or those who said he has been crap for three years, he moves infield for his own selfish ambition, or he was just an average player overhyped by Media who only has average vision, average passing, average shoot and average free kicks.
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I too would agree with Dicko's comments about Ole being a revelation on the right and in him being a key part of our renewed form whilst not wishing to see a winning formula changed to accomodate any returning player no matter how big.

If we are to persist with playing Ruud alone up front with Scholes in support then attacking wingers are essential and Becks has been guilty of moving inside and has never really taken on players down the wing.

In accomodating all players in the positions where they seem to be best suited at present I would favour.

--------------------Ruud-----------------
Giggs/Richardson----Scholes-----Ole/Diego
-----Butt/Keane/Phizza----Becks/Veron----

The defence and keeper picking themselves at the moment. If we switch to 442 then Becks is better down the right with Gaz in support and unfortunately Veron should make way.

Becks desire to play in a more central role and play the long telling passes and free kick maestro make him almost identical to Veron and it is possibly in accomodating the 2 of them that we have come unstuck previously. When Veron arrived it was Scholes or Butt who would suffer as Giggs and Becks owned the wings so didn't figure in the equation however the role Becks has played in the last 3 years has rarely been that of a true winger.

Maybe the injuries have allowed the team to find it's best shape and it is time for Becks to prove he is worthy of the central creative berth he covets. 3 weeks ago I'd have said you were mad playing Tweety at CB in anything other than an emergency.
 
Originally posted by One Remi Moses:
<strong>There is a difference between saying that he is overrated and he is crap.

It is not the same thing.

The hype is sometimes too much.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yea. But then again, there's no hype without the suckers for that hype.
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Becks worked hard and tirelessly in the time he had against WHU.. but he should stay out wide more, he put in some fantastic crosses i didn't expect to see from a man out injured for over a month.. he could have done much better if he didn't wander around IMO.

But i won't put him on the bench.. his energy level surpasses that of many players in the team.
 
Originally posted by redpie:
<strong>to be fair to the lad he is getting ever more handsome and there still is that sweet smile.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Which should obviously guarantee him a place in the side. ;)

But I agree with you. Though he looks more like a model than a footballer.
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Originally posted by Bury Red:
<strong>I too would agree with Dicko's comments about Ole being a revelation on the right and in him being a key part of our renewed form .</strong><hr></blockquote>


Too right. The fightback began with that amazing bit of skill against Newcastle.
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Originally posted by One Remi Moses:
<strong>There is a difference between saying that he is overrated and he is crap.

It is not the same thing.

The hype is sometimes too much.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Never a truer word was spoken!
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I'm not a hardcore Becks fan either but he'll certainly have to raise his game to displace Ole and that can only be good for us. I dont mind him comming inside because he drags 1-2 defenders with him leaving space to be exploited. I dont care what he looks like so long as he performs but I would like him to take the easy ball once in a while because he normally gives the ball away with his long passing(7/10 long passes dont get there). Still, he's making the club money and its not like he's a crap player so I dont know why people are slagginh him off so much <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" />
 
really makes me wonder if those so-called fans slagging off becks are really fans at all. He has done nothing wrong, and only just came back from injury. why dun those idiots lay off him for the moment and watch his fore-coming performances before you pass judgement??

and before you lot get too obsessed with OGS playing wide right, may i remind you all that he's still a striker, and should ruud got injured, we need him upfront. In the long run, i would prefer becks on the right, though maybe not at the moment.

And comments about becks being over-rated is totally absurd. That's not his fault. Blame the media, blame the hype.

And what's wrong with girls all over the world idolising him? the fact that he IS gorgeous.

So, all those beckham hunters out there, please refer to his footballing ability when you want to criticise.
:rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by One Remi Moses:
<strong>There is a difference between saying that he is overrated and he is crap.

It is not the same thing.

The hype is sometimes too much.</strong><hr></blockquote>

he's a very good player, no doubt... but is he over rated? i'd say yes....


Totti is even more overrated.
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he is a good player, but he is overrated, everyone who mentions the british players at United says Scholes is the best English international.

he is a good winger but he needs to work out how to foil LB's more often.
 
Originally posted by uranushk1:
<strong>I'm really surprised to read the threads slagging off Beckham in these two days. Is it because the current team is doing so well recently that the moaners have lost their normal critize target (Giggs, Nevellies, Veron), so they choose a player who have been plagued by injury as their new target? I'm never a Beckham's hard core fan (see my profile, my most favourite player is Ryan Giggs), but at least I think a home grown world class player, a Red thru-and-thru and the vice captain of our club deserves a little more respect from the fans of his club. People critize him mainly have three points:

1. He has not been performing since 99
It's absolutely rubbish. He has scored the most number of goals in his career last season and his performance against Deportivo has effectively brought us into the CL semi-final. Since then he was seriously injured, being rushed back for the WC, never truly 100% recovered and then injured again in recent weeks. Hey, don't forget Fergie has made the "underperformed" Beckham as our vice captain! So he just can't be playing too bad, right?

2. He keep getting infield to affect our system and reduce our wing play.
That may be true, but if he just keep remaining on the right he will become too predictable and easily marked out. That's why Fergie instructs him to get infield since least season. Yes, it's fergie's decision. If anyone who think Beckham can ignore Fergie's tactical instruction and choose to play the game by his own way for over one year, he/she may not have an intelligence higher than an 8-years-old. So, if you don't like the position Beckham is playing now, blame Fergie, not Beckham.

3. He had too many activities outside the football field, got too many advertisements, and married a too famous wife.
That's all his private life and as long as he gives his all on the field, no one else has any right to determine what should he do in his own private life. It's normal for this pure jealousy and hatred comments came from those little newspaper or rival fans, but when this kind of comments were came from the mouth of our own fans, I really feel shame about them.</strong><hr></blockquote>


I think the main criticism of Beckham is that he comes in field to much when he is most effective out on the right. The reason people are saying it now is because Ole performances on the irght have reminded us all just how good Beckham WAS when he stayed on the wing. He insists on moving infield and cloggs it up. We are now playing with five across the middle to great effect, but with three playing in the centre the wingers must stay wide.

I think these are fair points.
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Originally posted by uranushk1:
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It's no problem to say that. I just can't stand those people who critize Beckham as if he chose to move infield because of his own selfish ambition.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Just to make a point about that. Why Fergie have Ole hugging the wing when he played on the right and then when Beckahm comes on he takes up more central positions and gets in peoples way?

If it was SAF's decisin surely Ole would have been coming in central as well. He wasn't, Ole satyed out wide and got quality balls in. I think alot of it is down to Beckham and his wish to play in the middle.
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Originally posted by Lynott:
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Just to make a point about that. Why Fergie have Ole hugging the wing when he played on the right and then when Beckahm comes on he takes up more central positions and gets in peoples way?

If it was SAF's decisin surely Ole would have been coming in central as well. He wasn't, Ole satyed out wide and got quality balls in. I think alot of it is down to Beckham and his wish to play in the middle.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Because Ole and beckham are different type of player, simple as that.

What do you expect Ole to move infield for? He is not a playmaker. He can beat player and cross the ball if he stay on the right.

But since Beckham doesn't have enough ability to get pass opponents, he can be marked out easily by opponent's LB. Beckham's strong points are his vision and passing. If he has the freedom to get into centre we have more chances to utlitize the talent he has.

But of course that may reduce the chance he crosses the ball from the right. So how to get a good balance is the thing SAF and Becks need to work it out.
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Originally posted by Lynott:
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I think the main criticism of Beckham is that he comes in field to much when he is most effective out on the right. The reason people are saying it now is because Ole performances on the irght have reminded us all just how good Beckham WAS when he stayed on the wing. He insists on moving infield and cloggs it up. We are now playing with five across the middle to great effect, but with three playing in the centre the wingers must stay wide.

I think these are fair points.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I fully understand people's point about Beckham moving into the centre too much. The point I try to make is that people seems put 100% blame on Beckham for doing that, which is unfair to him. I think SAF must have instructed (or at least approved) him to do that. So if people think it's wrong, they should blame SAF.
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Originally posted by Lynott:

If it was SAF's decisin surely Ole would have been coming in central as well.


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exactly. "

You lot don`t want to understand. Do you ? ;)

As posted from uranushk1 above Ole and Becks are different types of players. Ole has speed and the ability to beat men, so he can play as a traditionel winger. While Becks hasn`t these things; he has much better vision and passing skills then Ole. So he can play more in a midfield position.
Anyway you can have your opinion that becks should stay on the right. Maybe your right. But to suggest that Becks ignores SAF orders for over a year (he always came inside last season too) and he was still made vice-captain is unbelievable. Or do you think that SAF has become a bad manager who has lost the respect of his players?
 
Sven and Fergie want David Beckham to become a more all-round midfield general play-maker and you lot want him to remain a one dimensional, one trick pony winger who spends the entire match just crossing the ball?!

Oh but when he just puts crosses in, he's accused of being a one dimensional, one trick pony who isn't a good enough footballer to do anything else!

Make up your minds! :rolleyes:
 
Manutd supporters tend to have short-term memories. What they are concerned of is not the player’s class but what how he had performed during the last game (Good and bad) In fact don’t take it for granted that you wouldn’t hear ppl opting on P Nev instead of Roy Keane (JOKING)

Becks is class and so is Giggs, Scholes and Veron. Ok they needed a shake up (Which SAF did) but you can bring motivation out of a star, BUT YOU CANNOT BRING CLASS OUT OF A DONKEY.

On playing inside or wide, that is not Becks to decide. SAF leads the play and the players are there to obey.
 
UT STOP INSULTING DONKEYS <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" />
 
Originally posted by becks75:
[QBAs posted from uranushk1 above Ole and Becks are different types of players. Ole has speed and the ability to beat men, so he can play as a traditionel winger. While Becks hasn`t these things; he has much better vision and passing skills then Ole. So he can play more in a midfield position.
Anyway you can have your opinion that becks should stay on the right. Maybe your right. But to suggest that Becks ignores SAF orders for over a year (he always came inside last season too) and he was still made vice-captain is unbelievable. Or do you think that SAF has become a bad manager who has lost the respect of his players?

:[/QB]<hr></blockquote>


hang on.


he had the ability in 99...to play as a 'winger'. the width he gave was very important.


So what has changed?


Has he been found out?


and based on your opinion, then surely, he should not be in the team, seeing as he doesn't attack the touchline.
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Originally posted by Lynott:
<strong>

Just to make a point about that. Why Fergie have Ole hugging the wing when he played on the right and then when Beckahm comes on he takes up more central positions and gets in peoples way?

If it was SAF's decisin surely Ole would have been coming in central as well. He wasn't, Ole satyed out wide and got quality balls in. I think alot of it is down to Beckham and his wish to play in the middle.</strong><hr></blockquote>

ole did come into the middle occasionally in the matches he had played in the past few weeks. But he comes in as an axulliary striker. notice how he scored against west ham for his first goal.

:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by One Remi Moses:
<strong>There is a difference between saying that he is overrated and he is crap.
It is not the same thing.
The hype is sometimes too much.</strong><hr></blockquote>

agreed.

Beckham fans :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
<strong>David who?

;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Beckham, you feck
Be respectful to your master
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
[QB]David who?

Is he the bloke wot comes in on the right when Ole is injured, and (currently at least) looks like a young Lasse Viren ??
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Originally posted by christiepark_boy:
<strong>Is he the bloke wot comes in on the right when Ole is injured, and (currently at least) looks like a young Lasse Viren ??</strong><hr></blockquote>

My daughter thought he looked more like Simba than Lassie ;) but either way he's got to get a feckin' haircut.
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Originally posted by christiepark_boy:
Is he the bloke wot comes in on the right when Ole is injured, and (currently at least) looks like a young Lasse Viren ??[/QB]<hr></blockquote>

Nah, Lasse Viren had more of a sauna stamina..
<img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" />
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Originally posted by devilish:
<strong>Manutd supporters tend to have short-term memories. What they are concerned of is not the player’s class but what how he had performed during the last game (Good and bad) In fact don’t take it for granted that you wouldn’t hear ppl opting on P Nev instead of Roy Keane (JOKING)

Becks is class and so is Giggs, Scholes and Veron. Ok they needed a shake up (Which SAF did) but you can bring motivation out of a star, BUT YOU CANNOT BRING CLASS OUT OF A DONKEY.

On playing inside or wide, that is not Becks to decide. SAF leads the play and the players are there to obey.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Your comment deserves a spot on :cool:

When Brown first broke into the team everyone said he was the best yound defender in Europe. After he made some mistakes last season everyone said he was over-rated and couldn't make it here. In case of Veron, after two or three great matches someone said he has been performed excellently all thru the season. People's brain just don't have enough ROM to hold their memory. The same thing is happening on Beckham now. Over-rated, average passing, average free kicks, poor skill, one-trick pony.... all came from the mouths of the so-called "supporters". They have all forgotten who effectively brought England into WC and United into CL semi last season.

Beckham just got back from injury need the supports of our own fans, yet some supporters can only support players "through thick and thick", you can see who are they here.
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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Victoria or Brooklyn?</strong><hr></blockquote>

What???????
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