Is there any actual evidence that he's racist against Asians?
Not saying he's not, I just don't know/can't remember all the controversies
Not saying he's not, I just don't know/can't remember all the controversies
Umpire Hair
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He reported Muralitheran for chucking (falsly) and Afridi for running down the pitch (correctly).
I recon he it a top umpire.
I recon he it a top umpire.
Well, Murali is a chucker, so that's 2 out of 2 in my book
Plechazunga said:
There are 26 sky cameras, I'm sure some evidence will emerge.
Well, whether or not he's right in this case doesn't mean he's racist against Asians...which has been said a lot in the last few days, often taken as a given
Is he though?
Is he though?
he has made a lot of feck ups against quite a few sides - the indians, the pakistanis, the sri lankans, the south africans and the australians perhaps even england.
who said umpiring was easy?
who said umpiring was easy?
Racism is virtually impossible to prove...Darrel Hair is a joke umpire, he has form. IMO, the fools are those who appointed him for this series - the administrators.
Inzi has been charged with bringing the game into disrepute, who is going to charge Hair and those idiots who run our game of bringing the game into disrepute?
Inzi has been charged with bringing the game into disrepute, who is going to charge Hair and those idiots who run our game of bringing the game into disrepute?
It certainly seems like a foolish decision to appoint him, given Pakistan's objections
Foolish...or calculated.
Plechazunga said:
He is biased particularly towards teams from the subcontinent.
However this racist claim is not supported by the facts the ICC require.
Plechazunga said:
No, he isnt.
His forearm is slightly bent because of polio.
But it dosent give him any extra leverage when he spins the ball.
Dumpstar said:
Probably foolish, given that the ICC couldn't calculate 8 + 3
Still...we'd won the series anyway
Vijay said:
Yeah yeah
He once told an Indian cricketer during our tour down under in 99, that Indians are cheats just like the Pakistan. I think it was Kapil Dev who recently revealed that in an interview.Plechazunga said:
In addition, he has always been strict against Asian teams only. I mean if he is such a cnut with rules why not penalise other teams as well. For eg lets say Aussies with the sledging.
Regarding Murali's chucking:
"Steve Dunne, the New Zealand umpire who stood with Hair at Melbourne in 1995, spilled the beans about his silence during the Murali throwing controversy. In his book, Alone in the Middle: An Umpire's Story, Dunne wrote: "There were many thoughts going through my mind. What do I do? Do I support Darrell Hair because he has called Muralitharan and do I call him as well? Or do I support what I believe, which was what we had discussed and decided at a conference in Coventry earlier this year?" That conference had decided in the case of a suspect action that the matter would be reported to the match referee who would have the action filmed and sent to the International Cricket Council."
Darrell Hair does not have the right to accuse players of cheating without proof - if no evidence is provided by Hair for this ball tampering accusation he must be dismissed as an umpire by the ICC.
How about providing the ball which was used in the said tampering accusation and looking for the suspect signs like teeth marks,finger nails,vaseline,wotsits,cough sweets etc.
Exactly. There is no proof whatsoever. Crappys post is also a surprise, the whole Kapil Dev thing. Honestly, and i hate to say it, but racism is present in cricket in the offiating IMO. The Aussies get away with murder, whereas India and Pakistan are always getting called for all sorts of rubbish.Sultan said:
I mean seriously, its(ball tampering) has been part of the game for awhile. Afridi recently in an interview said that its common to use gum and all sorts of things to make it happen, and that the Aussies and everyone else does it. So why suddenly this exception is made with Pakistan. And Sledging is just a joke, the way the Australians go about it is pathetic. And we get our players fined and banned for over appealing when the umpire is bloody inept at giving straightforward decisions(not that we didnt over appeal).
It was in the HT. Indians were unhappy with Hair during their tour of 99. I will try to find the article on the net.
fecking epaper won't let me copy it. So here is screen shot.
Realistically if there was ball tampering what has Hair done wrong?
Nothing.....if there is ball tampering!!!! I don understand why the Umpires didnt make their statement saying who did what when etc that there supposed to at the end of the day!! There something more that a simple case of ball tampering, this stems deep
Plechazunga said:
Hair was a lawyer and, if I'm correct in thinking, his bestest mate Speed is also from a well educated background.
They can calculate very well, and they seem to have done so here.
You might have won the series, but we'll never know since you had Hair playing for you for both the last two test matches. (Remind me again why Peitersen and Cook were not given a clear out when everyone heard the snicks on the first day at Headingly? Those decisions were more racially biased than the decision to award England the final test match.)
amolbhatia100 said:
I'm afraid to say that he's right though. Any professional cricketer (even ones from those countries) will tell you so.... off the record of course.
Corruption is rife in those countries at all level of society, incl. cricket.
I get this feeling that Hair is one of the very few making a stance and he is now being victimised for it. Typical human behaviour.
Dumpstar said:
Paranoid
Yes. Asian are the cheating cronies of cricketing world and other than Hair no other umpire has balls to call them on it....Rams said:
crappycraperson said:
Crappy,
Slating isn’t cheating.
In the past 10 years I think 4 people have been charged with ball tampering. Waqar Younis, Inzaman, Dravid and Tendulkar.
And I haven’t even started about the match fixing….
Anyway, if it makes you happy, the county game in England has a pretty murky past.
RE: Sledging/Slating
I'm not a big cricket fan or so knowledgable but I do follow the game casually. The most high profile sledging I remember was from the World Cup in South Africa. Shaun Pollock was getting absolutely ripped to shreads by who I think was the Sri Lankan wicket keeper at the time. Asians sledge too!
and they're all cheaters
I'm not a big cricket fan or so knowledgable but I do follow the game casually. The most high profile sledging I remember was from the World Cup in South Africa. Shaun Pollock was getting absolutely ripped to shreads by who I think was the Sri Lankan wicket keeper at the time. Asians sledge too!
and they're all cheaters
Atherton was charged with something similar....
And I resent the implication it is generally Asians who cheat.
Aussies were the first ones to be found guilty of match fixing, both Waugh and Warne sold information about pitch to bookers. They got nothing more than small fines by CA. Cronje was the one most heavily invloved with match fixing. Even Gibbs and Boje who admitted to have recieved money didn't get adequate punishments. Infact on one occassion it was revealed that whole SA squad discussed the possibility of fixing a match. Let us not forget it was the Indian Police who actually brought forward these allegations and lot more cricketers were named to be invloved including former and current Aus, English and WI cricketers. Respective boards decided not to carry out any investigations. To think only Indians and Pakistanis were fixing matches is stupid in the extreme.
Also let us not forget the whole Warne, "But my mom gave me those drugs".
Aussies generally have been the worst sportsman in the cricketing world , whether it is incidents like under arm bowling or sledging profusely when they are losing.
As far as Indians involved with tampersing goes. I can't even name one Indian bowler who reverse wing well. The Sachin incident was really a bad call by the refree then, I would have to look up the Dravid one, can't recall that one.
And I resent the implication it is generally Asians who cheat.
Aussies were the first ones to be found guilty of match fixing, both Waugh and Warne sold information about pitch to bookers. They got nothing more than small fines by CA. Cronje was the one most heavily invloved with match fixing. Even Gibbs and Boje who admitted to have recieved money didn't get adequate punishments. Infact on one occassion it was revealed that whole SA squad discussed the possibility of fixing a match. Let us not forget it was the Indian Police who actually brought forward these allegations and lot more cricketers were named to be invloved including former and current Aus, English and WI cricketers. Respective boards decided not to carry out any investigations. To think only Indians and Pakistanis were fixing matches is stupid in the extreme.
Also let us not forget the whole Warne, "But my mom gave me those drugs".
Aussies generally have been the worst sportsman in the cricketing world , whether it is incidents like under arm bowling or sledging profusely when they are losing.
As far as Indians involved with tampersing goes. I can't even name one Indian bowler who reverse wing well. The Sachin incident was really a bad call by the refree then, I would have to look up the Dravid one, can't recall that one.
crappycraperson said:
I ceratinly haven't said only the teams from the sub continent cheat or have cheated. You only have to look at the county game in England…
Cheating is a problem in lots of sports and no country is better than another.
However, there is a problem of cheating in cricket particularly with teams from the sub continent. Just as there is a problem with cheating in cycling particularly with Spanish riders or even football in Italy.
Rams said:
This is like scousers moaning only United get far more dubious penalty calls than any other.
Let's see, Only issue of contention with Lankans is Murali's action.
With India, you would find charges of ball tampering on two occassions were harsh decissions. Certainly in Sachin's case.
Pakistan unfortunately have been found guilty of ball tampering in the past and if I am correct some of their crickets admitted to it in their auto-biograhies.
But I don't see how ball tampering has become the worst form of cheating in cricket.
I am sure you will find other cricketing sides have been gulity of cheating in one form or other in the past.
crappycraperson said:
This is like scousers moaning only United get far more dubious penalty calls than any other.
Let's see, Only issue of contention with Lankans is Murali's action.
With India, you would find charges of ball tampering on two occassions were harsh decissions. Certainly in Sachin's case.
Pakistan unfortunately have been found guilty of ball tampering in the past and if I am correct some of their crickets admitted to it in their auto-biograhies.
But I don't see how ball tampering has become the worst form of cheating in cricket.
I am sure you will find other cricketing sides have been gulity of cheating in one form or other in the past.
Whether or not ball tampering should be illegal is another issue.
And of course cheating of cricket is not only confined to India or Pakistan.
I'm just arguing the case that it's not only down to a so called racist umpire.
To use the national pride story is bollocks.
But you don't even consider the possibilty that he may actually be biased against Asians. Such things can never be proven.
But incidents like :
..does mean, that possibilty can not be ruled out and should be considered.
But incidents like :
..does mean, that possibilty can not be ruled out and should be considered.
Dumpstar said:
fecking bollocks. Hair is one of the most experienced test umpires in cricket history. Only two umpires have officiated more tests than him. In other tests he has given decisions against Australia and South Africa, so I guess that makes him racist against Asians only, but a little biased towards caucasians occasionally, (most probably on a Monday if he feels a bit hungover).
The umpire makes the decision and thats final. If there is a case for appeal, then do it after thye game to the authorities and if as you claim they are incorrect, then let those authorities hold him accountable.
Stop using fecking racism as a reason to blame every fecker else for incidents that go against you. You're starting to sound like a fecking moaning Scouse twat.
And whilst I'm on the subject, what do you mean by "You might have won the series". I thought you lived in England? Or does that only count when you need something from the state?
Have you seen, heard about the condition of or looked at the ball?malcolm31337 said:
heffa said:
The television here showed a 1" patch just inside the seam which was a different shade to the rest of the ball. This proves nothing, but it was the area that they were discussing before the decision. Possibility is that it was rubbed against the concrete behind the hoardings during the previous boundary.
That's pure speculation as to the reason, but the fact is there was a mark there that looked different to the rest of the ball.
Why the Sky cameras haven't highlighted this I have no idea.
The ICC might have asked Sky to keep any footage that they have outside the public domain.HKRed said:
As you said there was a 1 inch region that was in question and i doubt anybody was watching the ball as closely as an umpire is required to do. So till the ICC has made a decision we will not know.
heffa said:
It's possible, but the main point is that it was a racially driven decision, lets not forget that.
crappycraperson said:
It doesn't matter. This incident is about a team throwing their toys out of the pram when they didn't like a ruling. Could you imagine England not taking the field after Rooney was sent off?
Dumpstar said:
Ludicrous.
You will be saying that it is a Jewish plot next.
I completely disagree if it is reasonable to suspect that they tampeered with the ball then he has done nothing wrong.HKRed said:
heffa said:
No no no, you're missing the point, it was Pakistan, it HAS to be a racist decision if it goes against them. In no way could it be an honest decision by a senior official.
Now stop arguing with me