UK General Election 2015 | Conservatives win with an overall majority

How did you vote in the 2015 General Election?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 67 20.0%
  • Labour

    Votes: 152 45.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 15 4.5%
  • Green

    Votes: 23 6.9%
  • SNP

    Votes: 9 2.7%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 11 3.3%
  • Independent

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Did not vote

    Votes: 43 12.8%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 4 1.2%
  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 9 2.7%

  • Total voters
    335
  • Poll closed .
I wouldn't want my MP interfering in other regions issues like that. I can understand it but only from a "we think this system is silly anyway so why should we worry about abusing its flaws" kind of thinking. That is the sort of thing that scares people about the idea of the SNP "propping up a Labour government" though.

I'd say that would be the worst sort of thinking, because then the SNP would deliberately be trying to wreck the UK just for the sake of it. Them voting on issues which could potentially have a knock-on effect on a Scottish budget though would at least make some sort of sense.
 
Yeah the idea of another general election would be pointless, no-one's going to gain enough support to alter the result and you've just wasted more money and further irritated the electorate. Scottish people want to vote SNP, if you want the UK to remain then you engage with that and make it work. Treating them as persona non grata will do nothing but heighten anti-UK sentiment, leading to an almost certain parting of the ways within a decade.
 
For so long as Labour remains opposed to EVEL, any coalition government which involves the SNP will be damaging to them in the long run. It would be an open goal for the Tories, impossible to miss. Given that reality, i would consider the chances of such an early el3ection to be slim. Should Cameron continue as PM however, there would be some appeal to a snap election once the EU referendum has been held.
 
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Anyone seen this? The closet racists emerge once again.
 
For so long as Labour remains opposed to EVEL, any coalition government which involves the SNP will be damaging to them in the long run. It would be an open goal for the Tories, impossible to miss. Given that reality, i would consider the chances of such an early el3ection to be slim. Should Cameron continue as PM however, there would be some appeal to a snap election once the EU referendum has been held.

Depends on whether Cameron campaigns for or against exit and wins or loses it.
 
I'd say that would be the worst sort of thinking, because then the SNP would deliberately be trying to wreck the UK just for the sake of it. Them voting on issues which could potentially have a knock-on effect on a Scottish budget though would at least make some sort of sense.
I certainly wouldn't describe it in those terms. Not a case of intentionally causing the UK harm because they dislike the union but a willingness to do so, when they feel such favours those they represent.

As for the second election part - It's significantly less than ideal but if neither main party gets somewhere close to a workable amount of MP's, I'm not sure how you avoid it. I can't see a Labour/SNP agreement that's concrete enough to last.
 
Depends on whether Cameron campaigns for or against exit and wins or loses it.

Well, naturally, although when it comes to the crunch i expect him to side with the majority of his party for all that he may have a few misgivings. Therefore it simply boils down to the eventual outcome, and he'd be mad not to seize the opportunity should it be favourable.
 
Labour at last pointing out the obvious: http://www.theguardian.com/politics...te-loose-relationship-scottish-national-party

Labour is close to ruling out forming a coalition with the Scottish National party that involves SNP ministers. But Labour argues it is impossible to rule out any looser relationship without questioning the legitimacy of Scottish MPs at Westminster, something the pro-union party is not prepared to do.

Labour believes the demands being made by David Cameron for it to rule out even “a confidence and supply relationship” with the SNP, or something even looser, are ridiculous. They argue it would virtually imply all Scottish MPs should be disenfranchised at Westminster – without a vote on the Queen’s speech or the budget, the two key elements of a confidence-and-supply arrangement.

“David Cameron for his own electoral purposes is trying to suggest Scottish MPs should have no vote at Westminster and that is an extraordinary position for a Unionist politician to adopt,”
said one Labour source.

The prime minister has been trying to drive a wedge by claiming Labour leader Ed Miliband will be dependent on SNP votes to survive, so leaving England held to ransom by the latter demanding cash or the removal of the Trident nuclear deterrent from Scotland.

Shadow chancellor Ed Balls continued to stop short of entirely ruling out such a coalition on Sunday, saying: “We don’t want any deal with the SNP, it’s not part of our plans. It’s nonsense”.

Asked why he could not rule a deal out altogether, Balls said: “Large parties at this stage say we’re fighting for a majority – and we are – I’m not going to get involved in speculation about post-election deals. We are fighting for a majority.”

He did reaffirm existing Labour policy to look at reducing the number of Trident submarines from four to three. At present the polls show neither main party can secure an overall majority in the Commons, even if they struck a deal with what is forecast to be a 30-strong group of Liberal Democrat MPs following the general election in May.

Labour has been reluctant to rule out a deal since it opens a Pandora’s box in which it is next asked whether it will rule out a deal with the Lib Dems, or other parties, sidetracking the campaign into a discussion about the day after polling day. Discussion of SNP pacts also contains the implicit admission that Labour cannot win an overall majority.

But Labour thinking has been shifting in the past week, and it is now a matter of when rather than if it will rule out a deal with the SNP. With little sign that the SNP are being pegged back in the polls in Scotland, Scottish Labour MPs have told Miliband he needs to rule out the pact to sharpen the choice for the party’s traditional supporters.

“It needs to be crystal clear that if you vote for the SNP you are putting the Tories into power at Westminster,” said one Labour MP. Labour has also been frustrated that it is being put under rightwing media pressure to rule out an SNP pact when little comparable pressure has been put on the Tories to rule out pacts.

They point out that the last UK politician to do a deal with the SNP was a Conservative when Alex Salmond ran a minority government at Holyrood from 2007 to 2011, relying heavily on the Tories to pass all four of his annual budgets.

This included his budget in the first year of the Tory-led government at Westminster in 2011, with total spending over that time worth about £120bn. Some Labour sources claim there are back channels between the SNP and the Tories about a post-electoral deal.

In a move to reassure English voters, Nicola Sturgeon, the SNP leader, in a speech in London on Monday will promise to be a constructive force at Westminster, adding the party will argue for a “moderate approach to deficit reduction – one which does not penalise the vulnerable and harm economic growth”.

She will add that the SNP will not just serve Scotland’s interests but will help where it can to bring positive change across the UK as well.

She will add: “We were constantly told by the UK government before the
referendum that Scotland was an equal and valued member of the UK. So don’t be surprised if the SNP government now start taking them at their word. We have clear and constructive views on many aspects of UK policy which affect Scotland deeply – views which we know are often shared by many people elsewhere in the UK.”

Labour also tried to turn the tables on the Tories by pouncing on Nigel Farage’s offer of a confidence and supply arrangement with the Tories in return for an in-out referendum on Europe, saying it shows the Ukip leader wants to prop up a Tory government that wants to cut spending levels back. The chancellor George Osborne ridiculed the idea of a Ukip pact as “total nonsense” but he would not categorically rule one out.

He said: “Voting for Nigel Farage makes Ed Miliband the likely prime minister and it means that instead of getting a referendum on Europe, we will get no referendum at all.”
 
Won't be voting (again) . I don't want any of these tools running the show
 


Anyone seen this? The closet racists emerge once again.


It's shocking. He's sullied the good name of UKIP. ;)
I almost find it silly when people react with anger and/or surprise when a UKIP politician is caught saying something stupid. They're obviously all like that. We just hear about the incidents involving the ones stupid enough to get caught.
 
David Cameron has reached an agreement with broadcasters to take part in a seven-way TV debate with all party leaders in the run up to the General Election instead of a head to head with Ed Miliband.

Downing Street has accepted an offer from the broadcasters for a debate with seven party leaders on 2 April to be broadcast by ITV.

Mr Cameron has agreed to hold the debate during the election campaign in a concession to broadcasters. He previously demanded it should be held a week earlier in his "final offer" to broadcasters.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...reement-with-David-Cameron-on-TV-debates.html



Jack Monroe, an anti-poverty campaigner who appeared in an official Labour Party broadcast, has defected to the Green Party in protest at Labour's stance on immigration and welfare.

Ms Monroe, who writes the food blog 'A Girl Called Jack', posted an image of her Green Party welcome letter online on Tuesday.

She wrote: "It was kind of inevitable after the 'Labour gets tough on immigration' speeches, and been a long time coming.

"Hard decision in the end, but definitely feels like the right one. Still have a lot of love for the Labour Party, but just disagree with too much of it right now."

She added she was very "uncomfortable with recent statements on food banks, immigration, welfare" by Labour.

Ms Monroe said she had been "chewing over" joining the Green Party since meeting its leader Natalie Bennett more than a year ago.

"Consistently find myself agreeing with everything I read, sealed with that Guardian interview with Caroline a couple of weeks ago," she wrote. "It just feels right, right now."

She said in an ideal world she hoped to see "a Labour/SNP/Green coalition".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...orter-Jack-Monroe-defects-to-Green-Party.html
 
Saw this on the Guardian blog earlier:

A senior Conservative source said: “The prime minister accepts the broadcasters’ offer of one seven-way debate at the very beginning of April. It now appears that Labour are trying to veto that deal. They shouldn’t be allowed to get away with it.”

Definitely trolling.
 
My thoughts at the moment are that I am surprised how many people think we have had a Conservative government. We haven't, we have had a coalition which has only been able to implement the policies agreed by that coalition.
So did same coalition prevent the Tories from achieving all the mighty things it would have been able to on it's own, or did it just tone down a bit of the 'nastiness' you might have expected?
Take your pick.
 
My thoughts at the moment are that I am surprised how many people think we have had a Conservative government. We haven't, we have had a coalition which has only been able to implement the policies agreed by that coalition.
So did same coalition prevent the Tories from achieving all the mighty things it would have been able to on it's own, or did it just tone down a bit of the 'nastiness' you might have expected?
Take your pick.
Wouldn't go with either, really. I don't think the 'nastiness' has been toned down, at all. The cuts and the treatment of the vulnerable has been very 'free market - survival of the fittest'.

I think you're wrong to say this hasn't been a Tory government.
 
At this point I'm fairly glad i'm not in the UK and wont have to live with the results of this.

UKIP speak a mixture of sense and complete rubbish. Would you really trust them to run an entire country?
Conservatives don't seem to know who they are anymore.
Labour would set the UK back 10 years if allowed to govern in their current state. They're as clueless as I've ever seen them, and that's saying something after the Brown years.

IF I vote, it will be Conservative. The lesser of all evils.
 
At this point I'm fairly glad i'm not in the UK and wont have to live with the results of this.

UKIP speak a mixture of sense and complete rubbish. Would you really trust them to run an entire country?
Conservatives don't seem to know who they are anymore.
Labour would set the UK back 10 years if allowed to govern in their current state. They're as clueless as I've ever seen them, and that's saying something after the Brown years.

IF I vote, it will be Conservative. The lesser of all evils.

Michael Foot?
 
Just watching Newsnight, the inability of the labour dude to admit that spending less would mean they'd have to borrow more was so fecking painful, I'm not watching any more politics until after the election.
 
Just watching Newsnight, the inability of the labour dude to admit that spending less would mean they'd have to borrow more was so fecking painful, I'm not watching any more politics until after the election.

Credit has to be given to the remarkable job George Osborne has done with the economy after the disaster Brown left behind. I dont think the UK can afford another Labour government yet.
 
Just watching Newsnight, the inability of the labour dude to admit that spending less would mean they'd have to borrow more was so fecking painful, I'm not watching any more politics until after the election.

Davis kept asking 'would you spend more?', he should have answered 'we will invest more'.
Not commentating on the policy there, just the presentation.
 

We have gone from having one of the worst downturns of all to having pretty much the fastest growing econony in the developed world. There is only really Norway ahead of us and the Euro area as a whole is only at 0.9%.
 
We have gone from having one of the worst downturns of all to having pretty much the fastest growing econony in the developed world. There is only really Norway ahead of us and the Euro area as a whole is only at 0.9%.

If this were due to better productivity, or better balance of payments, then you would be right. Unfortunately both have fallen behind.

The GDP growth so far is due to a manufactured house price boom, asset sales, and immigration.
The budget and it's boasts have been rewritten mostly due to the spectacular fall in oil prices, which, to paraphrase your financial adviser, can go up as well as down.
 
If this were due to better productivity, or better balance of payments, then you would be right. Unfortunately both have fallen behind.

The GDP growth so far is due to a manufactured house price boom, asset sales, and immigration.
The budget and it's boasts have been rewritten mostly due to the spectacular fall in oil prices, which, to paraphrase your financial adviser, can go up as well as down.

Balance of payments doesnt matter too much, especially as Osborne is trying to increase savings and economic growth remains healthy. Balance of trade is improving, whilst labour productivity remains a problem. A partial recovery is better than no recovery.

What is worse is the current Labour lot seem to have no idea what they would do if they came to power, other than 'tax the rich'.
 
We have gone from having one of the worst downturns of all to having pretty much the fastest growing econony in the developed world. There is only really Norway ahead of us and the Euro area as a whole is only at 0.9%.

Well, if you ignore the US economy that is driving the world economy...
 
Well, if you ignore the US economy that is driving the world economy...
He said 'pretty much', ie one of the fastest growing, which it is. Eurozone only just moved back into expansion in q4.
 
Year on year GDP growth was 2.4% for 2014. Less than the UK's.

Yes, but the rate of projected growth going forward is higher for the US (over 3% vs 2.5%). The US economy is strengthening at a faster rate than the UK and looks to be in better shape long-term.
 
Would love a seven way to debate to happen. Would be absolute carnage, TV gold.
A two hour programme on its will probably consists of 30 mins adverts... a five minute introduction. Five mins intro from each person leaving about fifty mins for questions
So presumably time for one or two questions by the time they have spun their answers out and bitched about each others reply
 
A two hour programme on its will probably consists of 30 mins adverts... a five minute introduction. Five mins intro from each person leaving about fifty mins for questions
So presumably time for one or two questions by the time they have spun their answers out and bitched about each others reply
I'd be surprised if prepared statements are given more than 60 seconds.
 
Yes, but the rate of projected growth going forward is higher for the US (over 3% vs 2.5%). The US economy is strengthening at a faster rate than the UK and looks to be in better shape long-term.
And had been growing for a while before the UK picked back up (an occurrence which, I believe, seemed to happen around the same time Osborne changed tactics to ease on the austerity).
 
I'd be surprised if prepared statements are given more than 60 seconds.
It's going to be messy. Wonder if they'll have a time limit for all responses. Maybe they'll sound a comedy klaxon after 60 secs and the light on their podium will go out as they move onto the next speaker.
 
Credit has to be given to the remarkable job George Osborne has done with the economy after the disaster Brown left behind. I dont think the UK can afford another Labour government yet.

This constant "the economy is recovering" line is getting bloody tiresome.
It is the standard conservative answer to every bloody question put forward. I am no labour fan, however they did not cause the world recession, and if their spending was so out of control, why didn't the conservative opposition feel the need to mention it during the twelve years labour was in power?

We are told that there are 2 million extra jobs, but statistics show, that the same level of output (work) is being done annually, which reflects how many zero hour contracts, and job shares have been created. Here in Surrey, I don't think we even saw the economic down turn, but having worked in east anglia in the last two years, I can honestly say, small town's have taken a dramatic hit, and standards of living are still falling. These areas have and will continue to be forgotten, and with the continued attack on the benefit system, which supports a large proportion of working families, their living standards will continue to fall. This is not to mention the desecration of public services which these communities rely on.

Conservatives are promising 30 Billion worth of more cuts in the first year (if re elected ) 14 billion coming from welfare, what is it going to be like if your unemployed, low paid, mentally ill, or disabled. They have been offered alternative saving, opportunities, but continually ignore them as they involve their core supporters being targeted, mainly wealthy pensioners, and large corporate tax evaders.
 
A 2 way debate in less than a week with Cameron and milliband
Will be interesting to see how ed does... I'm sure he sees it as an opportunity to become a credible pm... I see it as a big risk that he just looks like a weirdo who does not engage with people