WTF is luxury communism?I certainly wouldn't be surprised to see a new centrist party emerge with the likes of
Watson, chukka, swinson, berger, Gymiah being on the TV pundit rounds and quite possibly a big old chunk of the plp and libs forming a new centre left party in parliament if labour goes full ash sarka and declares luxury communism as a goal with wrong daily and burgon in charge
I think chukka is done with the labour party but I don't think he's done with politics
So much this. Begging for an election first rather than a referendum for a year because it was "the best way to sort Brexit", then complaining when you put up the worst performance since the 30s in that election for it being too Brexit focused, is bold.
WTF is luxury communism?
And who is stupid enough to think that a party with the word ‘communism’ would ever gain any traction in C21 UK??!!
And how on earth did Sarkar gain so much influence in Labour?!
They all live in an alternate matrix. Can be no other explanation.
What is luxury communism... Well you would have to ask ash when she isn't walking like a supermodel and feking like a champion (or somebody who just handed the Tories a landslide victory)WTF is luxury communism?
And who is stupid enough to think that a party with the word ‘communism’ would ever gain any traction in C21 UK??!!
And how on earth did Sarkar gain so much influence in Labour?!
They all live in an alternate matrix. Can be no other explanation.
I was talking to someone a month ago who voted Remain but was now leave because of the ''democracy'' shtick(This person also mentioned eu bananas!) and yeah they wouldn't really listen to anything I was saying. You can bring up all the contradictions in their arguments but it just goes over their head.He actually voted remain but now is talking about the will of the people and all that stuff. He also loves Trump. I think he’s a bit confused but refuses to listen when you try to engage with him on this stuff.
''Making life worse to own the libs'' seems very common(Its pretty much the bulk of modern conservative thought). There's a lot of young angry men out in the world who are looking for someone to blame(Rather than an answer to their problems)and boy does the right wing have some awful answers for them. A key pillar for conservatism is to de politicised people and if they can get whole group of men angry at some lady with blue hair on the internet then they are winning.People will say I’m arrogant etc. But this is genuine -I’ve seen some kids who think it’s rebellious and cool to see liberals pissed off and will do whatever it takes to do that, e.g vote conservative, praise Trump etc. The political correctness culture has in someways been counter productive in turning people away from liberal ideas and I can understand that frustration but geez! Is voting for the establishment the new anti-establishment ?
Wait, are we saying that calling each other comrades and talking about marxist principles ISN'T going to appeal to voters now?
Would love to see another attempt at a centrist party.There was such a clamoring for them last time.
Could say the same about brexit votersAnd calling people who voted Tory ' ignorant ' is an absolutely guaranteed way to get those former Labour voters to return to the fold. ?
Not sure, but reckon he doesn't actual work for the Labour party nor is he suggesting a strategy.And calling people who voted Tory ' ignorant ' is an absolutely guaranteed way to get those former Labour voters to return to the fold. ?
Lib Dems did brilliantly.Would love to see another attempt at a centrist party.There was such a clamoring for them last time.
To be fair I didnt actually know you could do that, although donations to government would be right at the bottom of my list. I suspect most don't know it's possible.
Talk about a specious argument... Tax only works when lots of people pay it together and do so predictably.
WTF is luxury communism?
And who is stupid enough to think that a party with the word ‘communism’ would ever gain any traction in C21 UK??!!
And how on earth did Sarkar gain so much influence in Labour?!
They all live in an alternate matrix. Can be no other explanation.
At £16.99 that crock of utter shite is a long way from ‘free luxury’
I'm sure I've seen that argument used by some right wing media outlet in an attempt to "catch out libs", genuinely didn't think people used it as an actual argument.This is a non-argument. People don't say that because they think they individually can fund any programs on their own, which is what donating a voluntary tax would essentially amount to.
Didn't take long for the JC to revert to type. Good job their views weren't heavily published during the election eh.
I’d say you listen to the affected group when they claim racism. So you listen to Jews about antisemitism. You listen to Muslims about islamophobia. And you don’t listen to Melanie Philips about anything.Yeah I've read that too this morning. The lack of introspection is disturbing. I'd like to see someone even try to justify the bilge in this article...
https://www.thejc.com/comment/columnists/don-t-fall-for-bogus-claims-of-islamophobia-1.494367
Pretty obvious all along that the far right/populist movement is a push back against Islam. I don't think it will end there though, so those siding with it now should be well aware of the genie that's been let out of the bottle.
Well for one thing (maybe slightly digressing here) Universal Credit has been an unmitigated disaster for low income people. My sister is on it and honestly, the delays in payments and levels of bullshit you have to cut through just to get a payment are astounding. Labour have recognised that it’s a system that doesn’t work and did pledge to get rid of it. I honestly thought this would be a hugely popular decision but I barely heard anyone mention it in this election.
As for the worker rights, you don’t have sick pay or any stable employment in a zero hours contract. It’s what many people
Can only find work wise. Conservatives love to say that we have record low employment but it’s all distorted by people on zero hours or part time work that barely covers the bills. I believe, and correct me if I’m wrong that Ed Milliband in previous years tried to get them banned if he got in, again though nothing came of it.
I’d say you listen to the affected group when they claim racism. So you listen to Jews about antisemitism. You listen to Muslims about islamophobia. And you don’t listen to Melanie Philips about anything.
I was speaking to someone who works in social housing and his view was that on the face of it the sliding scale universal credit system is a great idea...but it has been a disaster because of the way they've set it up. Delays in payments, everything in arrears. People who drop out of the working system have been really hit hard by it. They need to review and reform it.
I like the idea of zero hours contracts, get rid of them and you can just end up on a 1 hour contract I guess. I see no advantage or reason to banning zero hours contracts. Improve workers rights but don't ban them.
I wouldn't necessarily agree with this. The trouble with this approach is how certain members of said affected groups weaponise claims of bigotry for their own disingenuous means. I wouldn't jump to treating a very right wing Jewish group's claims of antisemitism as gospel, especially if their intent is to silence any criticism of Israeli crimes, for the same reason I wouldn't trust someone like Anjem Choudhary on the issue of Islamophobia. By all means we should listen carefully to the concerns of these communities, but we also also shouldn't shy away from making objective claims ourselves.I’d say you listen to the affected group when they claim racism. So you listen to Jews about antisemitism. You listen to Muslims about islamophobia. And you don’t listen to Melanie Philips about anything.
I wouldn't necessarily agree with this. The trouble with this approach is how certain members of said affected groups weaponise claims of bigotry for their own disingenuous means. I wouldn't jump to treating a very right wing Jewish group's claims of antisemitism as gospel, especially if their intent is to silence any criticism of Israeli crimes, for the same reason I wouldn't trust someone like Anjem Choudhary on the issue of Islamophobia. By all means we should listen carefully to the concerns of these communities, but we also also shouldn't shy away from making objective claims ourselves.
If charities, scholarship programs and various other causes for good in society can run successfully and perpetually whilst raising millions and helping millions on the donations and goodwill of the general public; without the threat of prison time for non-payment... Why wouldn't government be able to harness the apparant fact that millions of people are happy to pay billions extra in tax?
I can answer that question: firstly because government are inefficient and bureaucratic when it comes to spending money so very quickly people would decide they were getting very little bang (in the form of helping people) for their buck.
Secondly these people who're eager to spend thousands extra in tax don't exist (in any meaningful numbers), from experience it's a theoretical argument generally made by people who're arguing that people other than themselves are happy to pay more.
People who're happy to spend their money in the pursuit of helping others already doing so in the form of charity. Legislating for them to have to redirect their goodwill, forcing them to spend their money instead on Velodromes, the Theatres Trust or the salary of people working at the House of Lords Appointment Commission instead of causes that are generally close to their hearts is outrageous.
Yet when Jewish voters are leaving Labour in droves and the Chief Rabbi comes out in strong criticism of the party its still not enough.
But when a minority community with more electoral weight, the Indian community, made the first bit of noise about being upset about the Kashmir stance taken by Labour members, that stance was dropped like a stone.
It doesn't look good.
I wouldn't necessarily agree with this. The trouble with this approach is how certain members of said affected groups weaponise claims of bigotry for their own disingenuous means.
Sure. But Maureen flippin' Lipman? You lose her, you've lost the argument.
I was on a zero hours contract with an agency last year for about 6 months. Was ideal for me being at uni because I could be flexible when I could work and pick and choose which shifts to work. Definitely have their uses but sadly too many businesses have taken advantage of them. I know people who work in restaurants who do the same shifts every week and yet the company refuse to give them a proper contract.
I’d be against scrapping them completely, but there needs to be a reform of them to stop businesses abusing them as they are currently doing.
I do, but you don't.Lipman was formerly a Labour Party supporter, but declared in October 2014, that she would no longer be voting Labour due to the party's support for recognition of Palestine.
See what I mean.
I do, but you don't.
Here's the source for the quote. She makes clear she supported a two state solution. She strongly objected to the timing for reasons she mentions in the article.
Don't want to open that can of worms here, but I'm going to simply question why declaring support for a Palestinian state is seen as incensing issues of anti-semitism, not least when the initiative was proposed by a Jewish party leader, inline with the sentiments of the international community.I do, but you don't.
Here's the source for the quote. She makes clear she supported a two state solution. She strongly objected to the timing for reasons she mentions in the article.
I do, but you don't.
Here's the source for the quote. She makes clear she supported a two state solution. She strongly objected to the timing for reasons she mentions in the article.
Don't want to open that can of worms here, but I'm going to simply question why declaring support for a Palestinian state is seen as incensing issues of anti-semitism, not least when the initiative was proposed by a Jewish party leader, inline with the sentiments of the international community.
The initial point was you can't simply and blindly adhere to the the notion that sentiments expressed by related group should be treated as objective gospel. Lipman clearly objects to the notion of Palestinian statehood, (and being supportive of a 'two-state' solution means nothing, its mere lip service even echoed by Israel's most unapologetic supporters), so its not hard to see why she might not approach this debate with a reasonable sense of objectitivty.
A lot of these anti-palestine racists say they support a 2-state solution in theory. It's just a cover that means feck all in practice. The timing will always be wrong for them for as long as there are still Palestinians in Palestine.
I'm sure what you both say is true, however you can't just assume that of everyone. If you do, then conversely you believe that anyone who isn't advocating getting rid of the state of Israel is covertly anti-Palestinian. You could just take what she is saying at face value.
Except there’s no comparison there, believing Israel has a right to exist while supporting the idea of a Palestinian state (at any time) aren’t mutually exclusive positions to hold. The UN and European Union aren’t calling for Israel’s destruction for starters.I'm sure what you both say is true, however you can't just assume that of everyone. If you do, then conversely you believe that anyone who isn't advocating getting rid of the state of Israel is covertly anti-Palestinian. You could just take what she is saying at face value.
Pretty much this.I was on a zero hours contract with an agency last year for about 6 months. Was ideal for me being at uni because I could be flexible when I could work and pick and choose which shifts to work. Definitely have their uses but sadly too many businesses have taken advantage of them. I know people who work in restaurants who do the same shifts every week and yet the company refuse to give them a proper contract.
I’d be against scrapping them completely, but there needs to be a reform of them to stop businesses abusing them as they are currently doing.
