UEFA Champions League 2013-14 draw

Also, for the travel concerned:

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Everest Red said:
Pogba and FSW to knock us out of CL.You heard it here first.

(I think this year will be though, but we should get to the latter stages)
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No chance. Either one or the other. You can't have both.
 
Arruda said:
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The difference between Spain and Ukraine for the English team is under one hour on the plane. This really shouldn't matter these days. Plus all games - unless you play in Russia - start at the same time. Travel should really not be a concern.
 
"I want to play in Old Trafford," says Xabi Prieto (Real Sociedad captain)
- Spanish midfield player, so I should put the quote in the transfer forum really

Always nice to hear a player choose us as the glamour team of the Champions League.

He says if he can't have United, then Bayern Munich would be OK.

They're in Pot 4 of course, so potentially a banana skin for someone.
 
Anyone know when the vote and presentation for UEFA best player of the year is happening? Is it before the draw, which would mean that the whole ceremony will probably take forever again, or is it after the draw?
 
Fruit Cake said:
Arsenal in Pot 1 & Dortmund in Pot 3 is mental :wenger:
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There is nothing mental. The coefficient is decided based on last 5 year perofrmances not just last year. You may like to read more on club coefficient system and country coefficent system of UEFA and how points are awarded. Dortmund will rise in pot in couple of years time provided they keep making knockout stage. It is also possible for teams to fall out of pot 1, look at AC Milan. Arsenal consistently make it through group stage and there are more points awarded for that.
 
Yep, you can't argue that Arsenal have been consistent in Europe.

I think we are due a hard group - the last couple years have been a lot of minnows who we have taken lightly.

With Moyes' first year, the gods will surely put us in with Dortmund, Napoli and PSG.
 
Biscuit for whoever gets it right. My guess is:

Manchester United
Paris St. German
Bayer Leverkusen
Real Sociedad

Tough group, I reckon we're due one.

I think City will have it pretty rough again, but they'll get one of the easiest Pot 4 teams and get the 6 Points.
 
The Man Himself said:
There is nothing mental. The coefficient is decided based on last 5 year perofrmances not just last year. You may like to read more on club coefficient system and country coefficent system of UEFA and how points are awarded. Dortmund will rise in pot in couple of years time provided they keep making knockout stage. It is also possible for teams to fall out of pot 1, look at AC Milan. Arsenal consistently make it through group stage and there are more points awarded for that.
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Yeah, I know the coefficient system, but just feel that they should give more weightage to recent performances and not average it out. If you look at the difficulty level as per the coefficient system last season Group of Death (City's) was ranked to second in difficulty! It should be a tournament of in-form champions and not has been's. The current one is more like, work hard to get into top tier and then can slack off to mediocre levels and maintain it.
 
Havak said:
Biscuit for whoever gets it right. My guess is:

Manchester United
Paris St. German
Bayer Leverkusen
Real Sociedad

Tough group, I reckon we're due one.

I think City will have it pretty rough again, but they'll get one of the easiest Pot 4 teams and get the 6 Points.
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United
Shakhtar Donetsk
Olympiakos Piraeus
Napoli
 
Would love to get PSG, might as well test our capababilities early on and I would love to see Zlatan back here.
 
Out of curiosity, when people want to slack off the coefficient system due to not giving enough weight to recent performances why do you always pick up on Arsenal instead of United? After all, United shouldn't be a pot 1 team either by that reasoning.
 
Arruda said:
Out of curiosity, when people want to slack off the coefficient system due to not giving enough weight to recent performances why do you always pick up on Arsenal instead of United? After all, United shouldn't be a pot 1 team either by that reasoning.
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Well United were European finalists couple years back and I think part of the reasoning they pick on Arsenal is due to Arsenal not coming remotely close to winning anything of note in the past few years.

I think it's fine as it is though. The newly rich clubs should earn their way to the top seeds. It didn't take Chelsea that long to be considered a top seed if I remember rightly
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Well United were European finalists couple years back and I think part of the reasoning they pick on Arsenal is due to Arsenal not coming remotely close to winning anything of note in the past few years.

I think it's fine as it is though. The newly rich clubs should earn their way to the top seeds. It didn't take Chelsea that long to be considered a top seed if I remember rightly
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I was picking on Fruit Cake. He seems to want more weight given to recent performances and thinks it's ridiculous that Arsenal is ahead of Dortmund. I just thought giving United as an example in that situation would sound closer to home, considering United has done worse than Arsenal in the past two seasons. Dortmund has done miserably less than Arsenal in every season bar the last one. To have them on the same pot would require an insane weight on the last season alone, and that would put Manchester well bellow Dortmund as well.
 
The most stupid thing about the seeding is that the same amount of points are awarded for a win regardless of who it is against. That's what makes the system unfair. Chelsea can smash Plzen and get the same amount of points as Celtic for beating Barcelona.
 
Fruit Cake said:
Yeah, I know the coefficient system, but just feel that they should give more weightage to recent performances and not average it out. If you look at the difficulty level as per the coefficient system last season Group of Death (City's) was ranked to second in difficulty! It should be a tournament of in-form champions and not has been's. The current one is more like, work hard to get into top tier and then can slack off to mediocre levels and maintain it.
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No it's not, it's not easy at all to stay in pot 1. Milan dropped out, even though they made the knockout stages in the CL the last 4 years and went out in the UEFA cup in 08/09 without loosing a game in the whole competition. City didn't drop to pot 3 because of the group of death, they dropped because they finished behind Napoli and Ajax in CL groups and went out against Sporting, Kiev and Hamburg in the EL. Arsenal consistently beats teams like that and therefore deserves to stay ahead. If they want to move up and they're not good enough to beat top clubs in the CL, how about trying to win the EL like Chelsea, Porto or Atletico did or at least try to win it like Benfica. These teams also deserve to be up there.
 
Spiersey said:
The most stupid thing about the seeding is that the same amount of points are awarded for a win regardless of who it is against. That's what makes the system unfair. Chelsea can smash Plzen and get the same amount of points as Celtic for beating Barcelona.
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Agree with this. It should have been better if you'll win more points if you defeat the teams of pot 1 than pot 2 and so on. The other thing I dislike is that teams can get a lot of points from Europa League which is mental considering the difference in quality. But I understand that UEFA does that because they want that competition to become more important.
 
Yeah, it's a good prize for the Europa League. Adding to that, this season's winner will qualify for the 2014 CL, which should make it a more interesting competition.
 
That would be 3 hours and a half.
 
4:45PM today.

EDIT: You'll probably have to wait until a few minutes after five for something to really happen.
 
It'll probably be more like 5:15 before they draw anything, after 30 minutes of waffle.
 
17 Van Der Gouw said:
Since I'm not expecting us to win it in Moyes' first year in charge, I'd actually enjoy a really exciting, tough group. Something like

United
PSG
Dortmund
Napoli

...would be amazing. The sort of matches the Champions League is all about.
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So we want to greatly increase the chances we get knocked out at the group stage in Moyes' first season where he's under immense pressure to prove he can make the step up to manage a top CL club? Right...
 
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