Then concentrate better if you think Chong is better dribbler than him. He might go on to become better player (which I highly doubt) but there isn't any aspect of the game where Chong is better than Rashford or anywhere near him.
U19: Midtjylland vs United
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Then concentrate better if you think Chong is better dribbler than him. He might go on to become better player (which I highly doubt) but there isn't any aspect of the game where Chong is better than Rashford or anywhere near him.
I don't agree. Chong was the only player who kept wanting the ball and was trying to make things happen. Sure sometimes it didn't pay off but the rest of our attacking players struggled to be involved let alone create something. Our left side offered very little going forward and our strikers barely had a shot. All of our attacking play was coming down the right side (welcome change given how poor it is in the senior team). At least he gave it a real go, he put the effort in and at the end was being marked by 3 players.
The only problem I have with Lairds attacking play is that the majority of his passes/crosses were at the near post (none of our forwards were ever there, not sure why). But he destroyed the RB, nice to see overlapping runs like that again.
Yeah I can't really say Chong is superior to Rashford at the u18/u19 level. Probably the only advantage I would give Chong is his ability to turn with the ball while receiving. He sets himself well to have a go at defenders.
Chong is better at dribbling the ball than Rashford. How many times has Rashford run the ball out of play or tried the kick and rush only to fail time and time again.
Not more times than Chong running directly at players who probably are still wearing diapers.
I don't agree. Chong was the only player who kept wanting the ball and was trying to make things happen. Sure sometimes it didn't pay off but the rest of our attacking players struggled to be involved let alone create something. Our left side offered very little going forward and our strikers barely had a shot. All of our attacking play was coming down the right side (welcome change given how poor it is in the senior team). At least he gave it a real go, he put the effort in and at the end was being marked by 3 players.
The only problem I have with Lairds attacking play is that the majority of his passes/crosses were at the near post (none of our forwards were ever there, not sure why). But he destroyed the RB, nice to see overlapping runs like that again.
He tried, not saying he didn't but more often than not he lost the ball trying to do same thing. He was running straight at players. If there is any game where you can say there were no MOTM, this is the game.
My point was more on Rashford vs Chong though. I will never understand how can anyone can believe this Chong is better at anything than this Rashford (who has made so many senior players look like mugs).
It's pointless debating this with you..
Don't worry, I feel the same too. That's why I didn't tag you or named anyone in my post. It was generic post.
How far are we in the Nicky Butt revolution? The U23's aren doing very poorly in PL2 division2, we went out of the Youth Cup pretty early, the U18's have had a wobble in PL2 and now out this competition too. Is that academy overhaul still in process or has it been completed? I am not an avid follower of the youth teams but haven't heard any good news since Warren Joyce left.
Bernard is beyond terrible. Traore ain't much better.
Not surprised about Chong performance, yet we have fans on here criticizing me about what I know about him. Hopefully, some of these players can grow from this defeat.
Traore has been very disappointing along with Burkart IMO. Bernard's been average to poor too.
Caught a bit of the game, my observations:
- The Keeper & the center defenders were not very good.
- Traore is built like a tank and that's all I can say. Didn't see a central midfielder.
- Gomes was decent without being outstanding
- Burkart(??) He was terrible. So was Mellor.
- Chong was the only attacker trying. He definitely has the talent; don't know if he has enough of it to make it here. He definitely is a trier and never stop running. Has decent pace and dribbles well. His passing though is very erratic and due to it gives the ball away a lot. Needs to fill up a bit. To me its looks like he is at least a couple of years away from the first team.
- The Keeper & the center defenders were not very good.
- Traore is built like a tank and that's all I can say. Didn't see a central midfielder.
- Gomes was decent without being outstanding
- Burkart(??) He was terrible. So was Mellor.
- Chong was the only attacker trying. He definitely has the talent; don't know if he has enough of it to make it here. He definitely is a trier and never stop running. Has decent pace and dribbles well. His passing though is very erratic and due to it gives the ball away a lot. Needs to fill up a bit. To me its looks like he is at least a couple of years away from the first team.
wtf was that shit? i hope theres a second leg in this competition
United U19 looks like one of the best team in the youth league, we made the likes of Valencia and Juve looking like a laughing stroke of the youth league, somehow we have managed to lose to shit Midtyjlland.
No Greenwood, No Party.
Youth League knockouts are only one match.
feck sake
They’d have got a big crowd regardless, it’s a big deal for smaller clubs this competition. Hamilton had a bigger crowd at their game than they do for some first team games.
Really poor result for United this. On paper they were one of the favourites to win the comp but they’ve not played well in any game recently bar maybe the Valencia game.
People will argue if the lads are not that talented or if the leadership of Butt and his henchmen is not good enough, or that its good but only to develop players and not to get results.
Regardless, it’s strange to see players play PL/CL at 16/17/18 and make a mockery out of Juve and Valencia, while at the same time going out to cup minnows and struggling in the U23 second division.
But, I’ll have to butt in if the Butt boys will be the butt of one more Butt joke.
Regardless, it’s strange to see players play PL/CL at 16/17/18 and make a mockery out of Juve and Valencia, while at the same time going out to cup minnows and struggling in the U23 second division.
But, I’ll have to butt in if the Butt boys will be the butt of one more Butt joke.
I think the big problem was that we just had no goal scoring threat with Greenwood out of the picture. Burkart isn't close to a threat compared to Keane, Wilson, Greenwood, or Rashford. I actually thought Burkart did well enough, but that's only after accepting his shortcomings as a player.
Chong isn't exactly much of a scoring threat either. Neither is Mellor who I view as someone who is going to link things up, but probably not going to score or create much.
Chong isn't exactly much of a scoring threat either. Neither is Mellor who I view as someone who is going to link things up, but probably not going to score or create much.
Its only strange if you totally forget these are mostly early teen aged kids. The definition of inconsistency
Angel Gomes turns 19 in august, Tahith Chong just turned 19.
Where was Rashford at the age of 19 ?
I saw Midtyjlland vs Roma and they weren't impressive.....the result and performance is a massive shame......i'm really furious 
Their first-team played a cup semi-final today so the number is really great.
Imo Greenwood is probably the only one who will succeed at United. Gomes is 19 now and he doesn't have the build to play CM or the engine to play LW. He needs longer then other players to develop and should be loaned. Chong might be a solid PL player at best, he wont light up the league. Rashford was never as highly rated as some of these lads but he had a better build and he has a real hard working character. If Greenwood does the same he will be the better player.
Our fans are becoming disillusioned with this youth player nonsense, thinking promoting youth to be squad options is good enough. First we need a solid quality squad and then we promote the real top talent. People dont want a RW because of Chong or Fullbacks because of Laird and O'connor, that is the mentality that enables Glazers to penny pinch.
Our fans are becoming disillusioned with this youth player nonsense, thinking promoting youth to be squad options is good enough. First we need a solid quality squad and then we promote the real top talent. People dont want a RW because of Chong or Fullbacks because of Laird and O'connor, that is the mentality that enables Glazers to penny pinch.
A bunch of kids play a youth match and people are assessing players on it like its the CL final.
I don't rate Chong or Gomes overly highly but it's worth mentioning that Hudson Odoi was very poor in Chelsea semi and final last season, off days happen. No need to write off players based off todays game.
Rashford got a shock integration into the first team and the rest is history. The point is you were comparing Rashford as if he didn't have the same problem at youth level. Your comparison is flawed.
Plus, your end product criticism of Gomes was just flat out strange considering Gomes played a deeper role today. He wasn't the #10 until like the last 15 minutes. Gomes and Garner were the two deepest midfielders today and they did a good job dominating the midfield considering they practically got no help from Traore.
What build is that? A CM isn't required to be someone with incredible pace and power. Gomes is fine in midfield physically.
The pitch was a real leveller, and the players weren't up for it enough(and that's on the individual as much as the coaches) so the result though disappointing wasn't unexpected.
I don't agree with the idea of Gomes as a DLP. He should be a #10, something like Mata. And if he doesn't have a growth spurt I don't see a career for him in the Premier League, sadly.
Chong and Laird looked dangerous but there was no threat from the centre forwards so it was pointless. And the defense was garbage.
Very disappointing to see how bad the youth team was in a competitive environment, but it seems to be a recurring issue. I hope Ole can encourage a further overhaul of the youth setup, or the DOF that will allegedly come in.
Chong and Laird looked dangerous but there was no threat from the centre forwards so it was pointless. And the defense was garbage.
Very disappointing to see how bad the youth team was in a competitive environment, but it seems to be a recurring issue. I hope Ole can encourage a further overhaul of the youth setup, or the DOF that will allegedly come in.
The best thing Butt did was bring in McKenna. We needed a good coach and we went out and got one of the most highly regarded youth coaches in the country. The football our u18s played under him was fantastic and certain players improved a lot. Obviously you can't begrudge him moving up to coaching the first team but it's a bit of a shame that we no longer have anyone of his ability doing what he did before.
The worst thing Butt did was bring back Sbragia. That appointment felt regressive when it was made and I can't think of any positives that have come of it.
I don't think he'll make it as a 10. I think he's too passive in that role. I mean, it's possible he does, I'm just saying that I think he has a better chance as a regular midfielder. And we don't really utilize a 10 right now under Ole.
Gomes makes for a great midfielder. He's been great in practically every match in that position (which was only the u19s). I actually think his worst match was the 2nd Valencia tie and in that match he created the chance for our goal and was heavily involved in the buildup for the other goal.
I don't get the hesitation with him playing deeper. Many #10s end up playing deeper. Modric, De Jong, and Verratti are 3 examples. That role isn't as the defensive midfielder, but just one who is tasked with retaining possession and distributing in a dynamic manner.
I thought it was pretty strange that Levitt got benched whilst Traore played. Judging by their performances in the u23 and other youth groups it should have been the other way around.
I know they're not the same kind of players I'm just saying that Levitt should've found a spot in the playing XI.
I know they're not the same kind of players I'm just saying that Levitt should've found a spot in the playing XI.
Important to note that Gomes was subbed off for Levitt in the past when the game was done and dusted. So it's likely that Butt sees him occupying the same role as Gomes and prefers Gomes. Explains why Gomes started playing more of a 10 role when Levitt came on.
Personally I agree with you. Butt should have had Gomes, Garner, and Levitt as the midfield 3 because Traore largely didn't help in possession. It was Gomes and Garner being the calming presence in building up our attacks. I don't know why Levitt couldn't have occupied a midfield role further forward like Traore. One thing Gomes is good at is helping out or rather directing where the defenders and keepers should kick it.
I don't want to criticize him too much but I haven't seen Traore do much here. I do think he's one of the most overhyped players in our youth team.
Our most dangerous player on the pitch yesterday was Laird. By a mile.
We should basically have let Chong wander centrally to give space to Laird, and Traore in the box---> number of dangerous situations created. We did not do this enough.
Should also be noted that the players did not function well together. Almost seemed like the first time they played together or completely new tactics...
Most of us know that the two players that are most likely to make it are Laird and Greenwood.
We should basically have let Chong wander centrally to give space to Laird, and Traore in the box---> number of dangerous situations created. We did not do this enough.
Should also be noted that the players did not function well together. Almost seemed like the first time they played together or completely new tactics...
Most of us know that the two players that are most likely to make it are Laird and Greenwood.
Nobody's really hyping Traore here. Most of us rate Levitt higher at the moment I believe (personally I think Levitt is better than Garner).
I think Gomes has gone to be underrated here. Some of the comments made me laugh.
Lost 1 match and the trashtalking youth players are back. Please keep the fickling remains on the main forum.
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How am I trash talking the youth players here?
I have seen practically every match both the U18 and reserves have played this season - my criticism of Gomes isn't based solely on that match, but he certainly hasn't taken a step in the right direction this season - same with Chong.