Rashford best friend in the squad, stopped starting since he was dropped too. Shame, was hoping to be good on the long term.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
It's tough to see him having a future here under Amorim. He's very much a fullback in a back four.
Doesn't have close to enough going forward to be a wingback. Doesn't have the physicality to be LCB.
I agree on his deficiencies but like I said he's the perfect player to have for 10-15 games a season where his qualities might be needed. If he's not content with that, of course it's better to let him go.
I hope we at least target a new LWB with Davies/Mendes type athleticism and pace. That would solve so much for us both at LWB and LCB.
They wanted to take away his veto. But having a veto does not mean only one party has "full control". You're making it sound like there was never any compromise on transfer targets from the coach which is wrong.
There's a good deep dive into the Athletic if you want to refer to it, but in essence we had shit targets from the club too. Only Pau Torres was a reasonable club target suggested ahead of Licha.
If him leaving enabled the club to sign someone better, then it’s far from pointless. Very few people know our transfer plans, but we are being linked to left sided players on a daily basis.
He's a worthless asset on the market basically...but he does offer something to the team on the pitch. That's why I don't understand why we're letting him go. Who will pay more than 2-3 million for him? He's a decent left-back but not starter quality for a top team and has just missed 18 months due to a nasty knee injury. His market value couldn't be lower than it is right now.
I doubt he will help PSR enough for us to go out and spend tens of millions on a new wing-back.
I don't agree. He alone aggressively led our transfer targets. If you want to see what partial compromise looks like look back to how the board did not back Ole to get Bruno in the summer because the scouts assessed that he lost possession too often. Then did not back Ole when he wanted to get the Real Haaland from Molde and forced Ignolo loan and donny on him.
I don't think Pau Torres Rice Bissouma, were any worse targets than the likes of antony, martinez, and short term fix aging 30 year old Casemiro. Had ten hag actually listened to the scouts we wouldn't be lumped in this mess we are forced to meet PSR and sell academy players. The Antony and mount transfers set us back, and you can add paying 72 million for Hojlund to that list. This is the same guy who wanted to bring Brobbery, marko arnautovic and rabiot to the team. Turned down signing Solanke to sign Hojlund. And you can quote that he wanted Kane if you like, Moyes wanted Fabgregas, Ronaldo, Kroos, and Bale, besides Kroos, they were fantasy targets. There was no way Levy was selling Kane to a rival club
It's unforgivable the mess he left the club in and the amount of money wasted on transfer fees because of his obsession and ego maniac tendency to demand for control believing he had enough good will to behave like an all conquering figure in the mold of Fergie
And if the board did dared overall him on any transfers that summer, they would have had hell to pay from his legion of fans for not fully supporting and backing him in the transfer market We need to remember there were fans blaming Man united for not having a structure as an excuse for him having poor suicide tactics and then had fans open petitions for him not to get sacked after we finished 8th because he won a one off fa cup final. But man don't get me started on this it winds me up just thinking about the damage he did to the club which will have a ripple effect for years to come
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Mate you are just making things up. He alone didn't lead our transfers, this is reported by the Athletic. The club have their prospects, he has his, they make a shortlist and both sides have veto.
And rice was wanted by him but the club opted for Casemiro because it was a smaller initial outlay. Also in the Athletic. I haven't read the rest of the post because you are just making things up here.
It’s the right decision to try and send him and Antony out on loan, neither play a lot and when they do they’re not very good. The loss of them leaving is negligible and although there is not a huge financial benefit it may help to offload them in the summer.
They are played that have no future at the club so it’s better to try and move them no than keep them for the sake of it.
Lot of unfair opinions I think. At the end of the day he was a punt at £13m, who got a horrendous injury.
If he leaves good luck to the lad and no bitter feelings
If he leaves good luck to the lad and no bitter feelings
Whilst I think he has no future at United unless we're signing a LWB in January I think it would be a mistake to let him go before the summer
Harry Amass, come on dowwwwwn.
Hindsight being 20:20. Eth sanctioned some interesting signing while having little context for the leagues demands.
A 5”9 (debatable) CB and a 5”7 fullback. Neither blessed with speed or strength.
Good luck to the kid.
A 5”9 (debatable) CB and a 5”7 fullback. Neither blessed with speed or strength.
Good luck to the kid.
With all due respect my friend, if you are going to accuse me of making stuff up, I’d more be appreciative if you actually referenced the points which you claim are made up so I have the opportunity to address your accusation and set the record straight because I’m not here to play games or misrepresent anyone I’m here to tell the truth, I have a limited amount of posts, and I don’t waste them to post false information. You claimed it was inaccurate that he had final veto power, when every report even from the holy grail which you use as the athletic says that he did.
If you are not going to read the entire post because it doesn't tie into your narrative then don't bother tagging me please.
I am being respectful. I've literally told you where you made something up. Equal veto doesn't mean full final power to one side so I don't know why you keep saying this. The club had an equal veto to Ten Hag. I do not think it was too dissimilar to the previous managers either.
Youve basically take the equal veto structure and claimed final power is with the manager which is objectively wrong. I gave an example of Kane that the club vetoed for example. There is also arnautovic.
If I'm not mistaken, you also tried to imply ten hag didn't want Rice which was wrong. I shouldn't have to read the entire post if I multiple aspects are fabricated. Just read the Athletic deep dives and then come back to discuss if you want to.
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Right. So, what happens if Mazraoui and/or Dalot get injured?
Did this last season and it worked so well, didn't it? Makes no sense to me to get rid of him now instead of in the summer.
Did this last season and it worked so well, didn't it? Makes no sense to me to get rid of him now instead of in the summer.
If we get rid of both Malacia and Antony I would be very surprised if we dont sign a left wingback.
Having read your posts on this matter I'm wondering if the problem is that you have misunderstood what veto means in this (or any) context.
If a manager has a veto power on incoming transfers it means they can unilaterally strike down positive proposals from the other side i.e. refuse to sign a certain player.
It doesn't mean the manager can veto the club's refusal to buy a player who they want. So they in no way have full power over transfers. The club also has a veto and can say no to proposals from the manager.
A punt who actually did well as back up LB. He's come back after 14 months and playing a position he's not suited to.
Ok I get the point you are trying to make, I had assumed you were denying ETH had veto. Yes when I say final veto power, I understand to mean he had the right to turn down targets. I don't believe I said the club did not have the ability to overrule his decisions, Im sure I said they were most likely concerned about failing to back him if they did not follow through on doing everything possible to get him his chosen targets in fear of fan backlash, considering when we were struggling to sign De Jong, we had fans turn up outside Arnold's house and secretly record him to ask him if the club were going to spend money.
The Board vetoed Kane the summer we paid for Hojlund and that was due to knowing how unlikely it would be to get him from Levy who has played hard ball with us before and had briefed the press they were unwilling to sell Kane a rival in the same league considering they had already rejected a 100 million bid from Man City it would be fantasy goose chase trying to obtain him. The board pulled the plug on Arnautovic was due to the rightful huge backlash from our fanbase in relation to his history of being banned for racial abuse, it had nothing to do with overruling Ten hag because we actually put a bid in for him. Had there been no big backlash he would have been a united player
As for wanting rice, why don't you quote it. All I remember is snippets from ten hag saying how Rice would have worked nicely at United. So if you want count the number of players he identified and I were to concede he wanted Kane and Rice that's 2 in how many total transfers who were decent while you had claimed the club didn't have any other alternatives more than half of the poor transfers he made
Final veto means the manager can turn down proposals from the board while it means the board retain the power to veto a target of the manager. I believe only LVG had similar type of power because he had turned loads of proposal targets from the board from Kroos and R Sanchez. After that Ole and Mourinho were constantly undermined by the board in the transfer market
Agreed. However I think he’s more suited to a traditional fullback role and would probably thrive under regular football elsewhere. Good luck to him
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There was no shadow squad for targets when the manager arrived and the global scout was sacked with Murtough insisting its fed upstream to him. The reason we ended up with a big bunch of Ten Hag guys is because the club had no conviction on their own targets, not because Ten Hag had 'full and final control' (which was never the case).
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I don’t think I’ve seen so much incorrect opinion expressed as fact in one post for some time.
The Athletic covered quite comprehensively the background he came into. It was a mess.
Moyes also has several times and others confirmed Fabregas would join United if he didn’t play for Barca, Ronaldo had talks to return, Kroos was genuinely considered possible and Bale was something the club just got beaten to by Real Madrid. They were things that were not stupid signings to attempt and with a competent management (Gill and Ferguson) we would have had a chance at.
What is interesting to consider is that if the issue is just Ten Hag, is it also just Solskjaer, just Mourinho, just Van Gaal etc or could all of those managers who have hinted or explicitly said United weren’t a serious club during this period maybe know what they’re talking about?
It appears after every manager we have the same rhetoric of they ruined us.
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Agreed fair fee, played pretty well in some big game but got a bad injruy.
It happens.
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And a manger never agrees the fee.
I don't know what point are actually trying to address or claim to be infactual. I've listed down all the targets ten hag wanted most of them consisted of sub par former players and being kind you can say 2 elite players in Kane and Rice apparently after signing over 20 players. Moyes was never going to get fabregas as you explained he was playing for Barca and he would also be joining his former club's rival. Kroos is the only one out of those names who were realistic options which is why the possibility was still on the table when LVG took over where said no to the transfer. Even if we had Gill and SAF spurs would be selling Bale to real over us every day of the week
I never said it was stupid for Moyes to want those players, it's actually a credit to him that he only wanted to bring in top elite talent to the club. Instead he only got Mata and Fellaini. He didn't get to spend close to a billion raiding his former club and leaving the club with major ffp and psr issues
Theres no doubt Ten hag walked into a mess but he didn't help himself with his I know better attitude. Rangnick reached out to him after he attempted to provide him with his own dossier of reports during his time as interim, but ten hag didn't want to know. How much better would it have been if Ten hag felt it was something so big, that he put it to the board to instil Rangnick as a director or even liase with him so he had more help? since that's the claim, that ten hag was a victim of the board's incompetence and he had no choice but to take all matters into his own hands.
I totally agree. Good luck to the lad.
That injury and lay off must have been terrible for his mental health.
He showed fortitude and determination to work hard to get through it mentally. He put in a lot of hard work to get back to the physical condition that got him back to playing minutes in the Prem.
I wish him nothing but the best.
You tried to insinuate Rice as part of a list that wasn't wanted by Ten Hag, and Casemiro as some sort of Ten Hag pursuit in your post though.
Rice was wanted by Ten Hag and the club, but they skimped out on the initial fee (not Ten Hag's call but Murtough's). They went for Casemiro instead. That's not a Ten Hag thing.
Ten Hag actually was fine with Licha, Eriksen and Malacia for choices. Antony was 80m because Murtough was a clown - he was attainable for far cheaper. Not only did Murtough agree with the Antony signing, he decided to spend way too much on him. Stop trying to claim targets were solely a manager's and the club had no choice in the matter. You keep doing this, that's not the case.
No sense letting him go unless there is someone coming in or up. The lad was unlucky with injury but looked quite a savvy signing before that.
Definitely more suited as a traditional full back and he needs minutes to try and get back up to speed , you can see he is rusty.
Well give him his due though , he always gives the full 100 per cent.
Definitely more suited as a traditional full back and he needs minutes to try and get back up to speed , you can see he is rusty.
Well give him his due though , he always gives the full 100 per cent.
You claimed the club did not provide Ten hag with any alternatives for his targets which I had to correct you on, I conceded it's a possibility Rice was wanted by Ten hag. I never claimed Casimero was Ten hag's pursuit because I genuinely don't know because it looked very much like a board signing, but last year when ETH did the interview with Nev he claimed he wanted Casimero when he failed to get De Jong
And there's this myth that we could have got Antony for 40 million if we had gone in for him earlier, when reports from Ajax from early as June all suggested his price that they would be willing to sell was at minimum £60 million(not euros) as their team already had lost key players like of Masariouz on a free to Bayern and Gravenberch to Bayern and Tagliafico to Lyon before they were getting attempted to get raided for timber, alverez, Tadic
No, I didn't. I said that Pau Torres was the club alternative to Licha (and I preferred Licha so I don't see a big loss there). And that Kolo Muani / Goncalo Ramos was offered instead of Hojlund.
The club had limited alternatives but not a shadow squad of targets. The alternatives were no better than what Ten Hag had in mind.
It's also not a myth that we could have got Antony for cheaper. Van De Sar was talking about how he was surprised at how high Murtough was going and he was jsut pushing him to see how nuts he would be with the fee. That tells you everything.
Just made this point in Antony's thread but it wasnt a myth. There were reports that he was available for £40m in June of that summer.
If we had a competent structure and were 100% decided on which targets to pursue then Antony would have been bought in June of that summer and not on the deadline day for the feck off price of €100m.
They were all Ten Hag's shit signings and he turned them to shit with his shit tactics cause he's shit 
Doesn't matter cause he's gone now.
Doesn't matter cause he's gone now.
I think those targets are better alternatives than what we are left with. Martinez has big question marks on him, so does Hojlund, we have been rumoured to enquire about Kolo Muani, not seen much of Rasmos to make any judgement on him but I made the mistake of thinking it was Solanke who was offered instead of Hojlund, but ESPN actually reported it was Ollie Watkins who ten hag turned his nose down at to sign Hojlund who coincidentally shares the same agent with
As for antony, sure we could have got him for 20 million pound cheaper and got him for 60 million, but it still would be overpriced and a poor decision to buy him in the first place, considering there are reports Ten hag turned down getting that dutch winger I can't remember his name, he use to play for Liverpool
It's a myth @saik . This is a report from 22 June 2022
Antony is ‘determined’ to join Manchester United after Ajax set a high asking price for the winger, according to reports.
United are looking to sign the Brazilian this summer with Erik ten Hag keen on bolstering his attacking options ahead of the new season.
Antony thrived under Ten Hag at Ajax last term with 12 goals and 10 assists in the Eredivisie.
United have already made an approach to Ajax about the 22-year-old but the Dutch champions have made it clear that they want a fee in excess of €70m (£60m) for Antony.
The Times report that Antony is pushing to join United this summer but Ajax are ready to stand firm and have made it clear they want no more high-profile departures after Ryan Gravenberch and Sebastien Haller.
The report claims that United were hopeful that a £40m package would have been enough to tempt Ajax.
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I wouldn't group Malacia in with the other signings under Ten Hag to be honest. Big injuries can derail player development, Malacia was a promising left back who looked quite good and I remember he impressed in the Europa league or conference league final right before. We needed a backup left back and he was a 13m signing. It was a safe amount to spend and he did well in his first season too. Last 2 years have been very unfortunate for the guy though.
I think the mistake is repeating what we have done in the past and just keeping players to make up the numbers. We know he is surplus to requirements and he’s hardly played so finding a move that may help sell him the summer is the best decision.
Keeping him on and not playing him, which is what will happen, just makes it harder to sell in the summer. If we want to get rid of all these players and bring new ones in we have to actually to steps to do so rather than just kick the can down the road.
That's absolutely fair.
Exactly where I sit on this (also for the likes of Antony too).
Was the type of injury ever confirmed? Still hear the odd rumble that it was personal issues rather than injury issues he was facing.
Licha is better than Pau Torres for me, and no the striker options were horrendous. Kolo Muani couldn't out score Hojlund this season and last season and he's playing in a farmer league.
Meanwhile with Antony is in your own post. They wanted £60m and we paid £81m in the end. Whether it was a 40m or 60m price is semantics in light of the broader point which is, Murtough is shit at supporting the coach with proper club targets and when he is aligned, he overpays like an idiot.