When you say no defending nouse whatsoever what is it that he does wrong exactly?
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Given how few players from our youth teams actually graduate to become 1st team regulars its a very easy and lazy thing for people to just say a player wont make it and be right. We see so many posters making statements such as "shite player or nothing player" without actually expanding on what is wrong with a player.
Blackett showed a lot of potential in preseason. He was one of our best players in the states and put a veteran like Evans to shame.
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Yet youre doing the exact same thing in the Jones thread who is only 2 years older but has shown infinitely more in terms of both ability and potential than Blackett ever has.
When you've followed the academy/reserves for over 10 years and seen how few players have actually made the grade at OT you begin to understand how big the step up actually is. Hundreds of average enough young players have been hyped up on forums/message boards etc as future 1st team players. Only the very special have tended to actually be good enough. If a player looks poor at academy level, reserves level, championship level why would we assume he's good enough for Manchester United. It's not laziness, it's a realistic assessment based on what we have seen.
The only player im truly sick of is Evans. Im also ready to let Rafael go
You may have followed the academy/reserves for ten years etc etc but when you just say "He isnt very good" tells us absolutely nothing about why he isnt very good. "he isnt very good " isnt a very clear assessment its simply an opinion. What about a player "isnt very good"?. That might be more interesting, valuable and insightful.
What exactly about him makes him not good enough even as a back up? He's only looked really poor against Leicester and only when the entire team collapsed after they equalized.
The question should be what has he done right?
- He has no positional sense.
- Loses concentration mid game.
- Is slow to react to situations. Lackadasical at the best of times.
- Not a great header of the ball.
- Poor at reading dangerous situations.
- Ordinary with the ball at his feet under pressure. Constantly reverts to hoofing.
- Ordinary pace and crossing ability to ever become a full time LB at United.
I don't have time now to follow the youth as I used to, but I still do whenever I can. I also saw him couple of times on loan in the Championship last year. The kid doesn't shout a good defender to me. I do not see any standout attributes so far that will change my mind.
People say," oh he is young" but players hardly ever go through magical transformations. It's always a gradual process, the talent is always there, and it gets honed under right management and their own hardwork. I don't see it with Blackett.
Well if you saw him on loan a bit you would know he played at left mid half the time, so don't form an opinion on his defending from that.
Anyway, While we could sit here and pinpoint specific moments in games where your bullet points are proven correct, I think it's harsh to judge him overall in that way. I feel he is quite good with the ball at his feet and is comfortable, yes he can play himself into trouble but what player wasn't with that 3 at the back. You are right about it being a gradual process but then say you don't see it, well let the gradual process take place and lets see in a year or two if he has featured enough in the first team to stay on.
He started in defense in the couple of games that I watched; I think I am entitiled to hold my opinion.
Eric, defending, especially at a club like United is about specific moments in the game. We are not a club that will be under the cosh for majority of the game in most games. A defender will be judged on those crucial moments. And Blackett has looked ordinary in more than those specific instances.
Not my decision to make whether he stays for a year or two, or not. As of now, I don't think I am incorrect in my assesment of him as a future United defender.
Entitled to your opinion, no doubt but his loan spell was not a great indication, I mean how many games did he play during both spells? Maybe 15? A chunk of those at left wing. Hardly enough to judge him.
I understand that moments count, especially at that end of the pitch at a club like United. I just find it so harsh on him, he is so young and we should be looking at his contribution after 30-40 senior appearances, not after a handful in a turbulent time for the club and defence.
I understand forming an opinion on him based on what we have seen so far and that's fine but I think he has been good considering, he has performed and also stepped up in big moments at times.
A young player thrown into an unsettled defence, in an unfamiliar position with half a team of new players.
Seems like a reasonable excuse for the manager but not the player. He'll come good.
and if you think he is a unit now, if he follows the family genetics, he could end up with Chris Samba's build.
Seems like a reasonable excuse for the manager but not the player. He'll come good.
and if you think he is a unit now, if he follows the family genetics, he could end up with Chris Samba's build.
I am not exclusively judging him on the loan spell, instead giving it as an evidence as to why I think he is not good enough. Also, the question I would ask is, "Why did he not play during both those spells if he is such a great talent?"
You have your belief and I have my opinion. I guess time will tell who is right.
By the way, I am rooting for you as there are not many things better than a home grown lad making it at United, especially one from Manchester.
Fair question but why couldn't Pogba get a run? Why can't Rafael, our only RB, get in a squad in desperate need of a RB? All questions with answers but at the end of the day, simply because that's life.
Instead of me slating him which I don't really want to do; why don't you tell me what has impressed you about him. What makes him a United player in your eyes?
His composure for his age, his speed, physique, ability in the air, his passing. People overlook this a lot. Look at these videos without a biased state of mind and please tell me he doesn't have potential
http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-F...after-signing-new-Manchester-United-deal.aspx
After signing a new contract at Manchester United on Thursday, Tyler Blackett revealed his hopes to establish himself further – at Old Trafford and on the international stage.
Following a senior debut for the Reds on the opening day of the season, the Manchester-born centre-back has grasped the opportunity to make strides in Louis van Gaal’s squad with ten appearances in all competitions so far in 2014/15.
While Blackett is relishing working with the defenders in United’s first-team, the youngster has his sights firmly focused on forcing his way into the manager's starting line-ups in the future.
“It’s great because they’ve all been in my position before, so they’ve done it,” the 20-year-old told MUTV of his defensive colleagues. “I’m looking up to them but hopefully I’m here to challenge them as well.
“I want to kick on and to challenge the players in front of me and get a regular place in the first team. Hopefully I can get call-ups for England, push on and be more established in this great club.
“I know I’ve got everything [I need to] achieve here at the club. All the coaches are going to help me, so I’m just hoping to achieve great things here. I’ve got to keep on improving, concentrating and listening to the coaches and staff. I’ll take on board everything they say.”
The extension of Blackett’s contract to at least June 2017 – with the option of an additional year – has delighted the Reds’ No.42, as he continues to fulfil boyhood aspirations.
“I’ve always been a United fan and this is the club I’ve grown up watching. I love going to United and seeing the games, so playing for United is just a dream come true. It’s what I’ve worked for my whole life. Being at United is everything I’ve always wanted, so I’m just happy to get the deal done now.”
Van Gaal was pleased to see Blackett agree fresh terms, saying: “It’s the strategy of the club. We want to educate players of our own youth academy in a cultural Manchester United. We want to keep them.”
After signing a new contract at Manchester United on Thursday, Tyler Blackett revealed his hopes to establish himself further – at Old Trafford and on the international stage.
Following a senior debut for the Reds on the opening day of the season, the Manchester-born centre-back has grasped the opportunity to make strides in Louis van Gaal’s squad with ten appearances in all competitions so far in 2014/15.
While Blackett is relishing working with the defenders in United’s first-team, the youngster has his sights firmly focused on forcing his way into the manager's starting line-ups in the future.
“It’s great because they’ve all been in my position before, so they’ve done it,” the 20-year-old told MUTV of his defensive colleagues. “I’m looking up to them but hopefully I’m here to challenge them as well.
“I want to kick on and to challenge the players in front of me and get a regular place in the first team. Hopefully I can get call-ups for England, push on and be more established in this great club.
“I know I’ve got everything [I need to] achieve here at the club. All the coaches are going to help me, so I’m just hoping to achieve great things here. I’ve got to keep on improving, concentrating and listening to the coaches and staff. I’ll take on board everything they say.”
The extension of Blackett’s contract to at least June 2017 – with the option of an additional year – has delighted the Reds’ No.42, as he continues to fulfil boyhood aspirations.
“I’ve always been a United fan and this is the club I’ve grown up watching. I love going to United and seeing the games, so playing for United is just a dream come true. It’s what I’ve worked for my whole life. Being at United is everything I’ve always wanted, so I’m just happy to get the deal done now.”
Van Gaal was pleased to see Blackett agree fresh terms, saying: “It’s the strategy of the club. We want to educate players of our own youth academy in a cultural Manchester United. We want to keep them.”
Hate to be the cynic but we could have given him a contract to get some sort of resale value from him if not this year, then maybe the next.
Hope I'm wrong and he really comes on, but you would have thought we will sign 2 CB's this summer, so he is going to find it very tough to break in properly.
Hope I'm wrong and he really comes on, but you would have thought we will sign 2 CB's this summer, so he is going to find it very tough to break in properly.
Hate to tell you but at the end of the day, it's what a contract is about these days.
He doesn't have potential. He's rubbish.
Can't say I rate him much. His touch isn't good enough.
I don't hate him, I just think he's rubbish.Sure thing. Keep hating him then. You must be pissed at this new contract
I will be in the minority but if it was a choice between McNair and Blackett, I would like to see Blackett given the nod. Not a slight on McNair but I really like Blackett, he did well at Arsenal and I think given the chance, he would perform well again.
Id be happy with either. I thought Blackett was abit unlucky to lose out to McNair towards the end of their playing time earlier in the season. Blackett looks like he would be up for the physical battle more then McNair though, but i trust what ever LVG goes with.
Blackett's been garbage in every U-21 game I've watched this season. McNair, on the other hand, has been quality.
Agreed.
He can be too casual at times but I think he has it in him to be a very good defender. Has the basics covered IMO, just need to fine-tune them. Also the Van Gaal comments makes me wonder whether he is involved in the U-18 training sessions as well...anyone care to clarify that? If he is, that's very exciting.
U-18s?
Err, the youth team training sessions.
Not from what I know.
MCNair is a bit more experienced but he will be bullied by drogba.. Blackett on the other hand has the physical presence to keep up with him and he's left-footed..
Just like he was bullied by Lukaku?
He would be a concern against Chelsea's u21s. The idea of him playing against their first team at the Bridge is too much to even contemplate
Surely if van Gaal likes his left sided centre backs then he'll play. I do have more confidence in him than I do McNair, he appears to be a bit more level headed too.
He preferred Jones and Smalling when Rojo was fit so I think it only matters when we're playing 3 at the back.
I see your point, when SAF was manager we never had these type of conversations about left sided centre half's. Although I don't recall us ever playing three at the back under him.
Under SAF, I remember Vidic playing on the right with Evans and on the left with Ferdinand.
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