Tuedays Team ( how would you play it )

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Tuesdays Team
Barthez
Irwin
Brown,Blanc, Jonsen (any two from 3)depending on fitness.
Silvestre
Scholes
Butt
Keane
Giggs
Veron
Van Nistelroy
I think we need to stop them playing through the middle by pressing them deeper.
 
I'd go with this lineup and a 4-4-2.

Barthez
Phil Brown Blanc Silvestre
Scholes Butt Keane Giggs
Solskjaer van Nistelroy

Bench:
Carroll
O'Shea Johnsen Irwin
Veron Chaddwick (if Fortune ruled out)
Forlan
 
Originally posted by MrMarcello:
<strong>I'd go with this lineup and a 4-4-2.

Barthez
Phil Brown Blanc Silvestre
Scholes Butt Keane Giggs
Solskjaer van Nistelroy

Bench:
Carroll
O'Shea Johnsen Irwin
Veron Chaddwick (if Fortune ruled out)
Forlan</strong><hr></blockquote>

Agree with your team, except that I hope Irwin will play instead of Phil. It seems playing Giggs up front with Ruud didn't work against Leverkusen, as they already expect it and create a game plan against it. So returning Giggs to the left wing position is a good idea.
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Originally posted by uranushk1:
<strong>

Agree with your team, except that I hope Irwin will play instead of Phil. It seems playing Giggs up front with Ruud didn't work against Leverkusen, as they already expect it and create a game plan against it. So returning Giggs to the left wing position is a good idea.</strong><hr></blockquote>


And it doesn't matter how good Giggsy is at scaring defenders - he isn't a striker/finisher. It didn't work at all on Wednesday. It might only work against certain teams, or certain levels of performance.
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I like this team too. I really hope he plays Ole up front with Ruud, as when they're playing together they always score and I think we're going to have to score a lot of goals. I'd like to see Butt/Keane in the centre of midfield to protect the back 4 and Giggs on the left. So, it comes does to Veron or Scholes on the right. And I'd play Scholes simply because he seems to play better in that position. (But it seems pretty clear from some comments that I've read by Fergie that Seba's playing on Tuesday which I suspect means Ole's going to be sacrificed again.)
 
Originally posted by Red15:
<strong> (But it seems pretty clear from some comments that I've read by Fergie that Seba's playing on Tuesday which I suspect means Ole's going to be sacrificed again.)</strong><hr></blockquote>


Bias aside, I think Ole has been more important to United than Seba this year.

If you look carefully at the back of Ole's shirt, you can still see Fergie's footprints.
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BARTEZ
IRWIN
WES
LARRY,JONSON (A FIT CENTRE HALF)
SILVESTRE
VERON
KEANE
SCHOLES
GIGGS
SOLSJAR
VAN NISTORY

SUBS:
PHIL
BUTT
CARROL
FURLON
CHADWICK
 
as much as id like to leave veron out, it just wouldnt make sense to leave him out! in the 1st leg, any thing we did create was when he came into center midfield - if u remember correctly he created RVN's penalty..
so my team would look like this :

Barthez
Irwin - Brown - Blanc(?) - Silvestre
Scholes - Butt - Keane - Giggs
Veron
RVN

We need to play a whole lot better than we did on the first leg! Im sure SAF will choose the right team to win the tie... :)
 
Originally posted by sebaveron:
<strong> RVN

We need to play a whole lot better than we did on the first leg! Im sure SAF will choose the right team to win the tie... :) </strong><hr></blockquote>

As long as he puts them all in their best position.
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This is a must win game on the road. Forget the
4-4-1-1 stuff. If he plays Veron, he must then sacrifice Butt in midfield. United have to have Solskjaer and RVN upfront to place pressure on the Leverkusen defense. If Veron is in, the team should be this:

Barthez
Irwin Brown Blanc Silvestre
Scholes Veron Keane Giggs
Solskjaer RVN

If Butt stays, then use this formation:

Barthez
Brown Blanc Silvestre
Keane
Scholes Butt Giggs
Veron
Solskjaer RVN

Keane would play a sweeper role, helping at the back and pushing forward. Butt can also cover for Keane at times when Keano is forward and can't track back too much. This is a dangerous lineup as our defense would be exposed. But this lineup could produce 3 goals or more, IMO.
 
Balls to the walls attacking football is what we need on Tuesday:

We can knock in at least two against against them, which will instantly turn the tide back in our favour.

My lineup:

-------------------- Barthez ---------------------

-- PNev ------- Brown ------- Blanc ---- Silvestre

-- Veron ---- Keano ------ Scholes ------ Giggs --

------------- Solskjaer ---- Van Nistelrooy ------

We strike fast and then replace Seba with Butty at around 60-70min.
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>Balls to the walls attacking football is what we need on Tuesday:

We can knock in at least two against against them, which will instantly turn the tide back in our favour.

My lineup:

-------------------- Barthez ---------------------

-- PNev ------- Brown ------- Blanc ---- Silvestre

-- Veron ---- Keano ------ Scholes ------ Giggs --

------------- Solskjaer ---- Van Nistelrooy ------

We strike fast and then replace Seba with Butty at around 60-70min.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Can't we let Raoul manage for just this 1 match please
:)
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Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>Balls to the walls attacking football is what we need on Tuesday:

We can knock in at least two against against them, which will instantly turn the tide back in our favour.

My lineup:

-------------------- Barthez ---------------------

-- PNev ------- Brown ------- Blanc ---- Silvestre

-- Veron ---- Keano ------ Scholes ------ Giggs --

------------- Solskjaer ---- Van Nistelrooy ------

We strike fast and then replace Seba with Butty at around 60-70min.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'd play Butt instead of Veron, and put Scholes wide. To start with anyway.
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Originally posted by sebaveron:
<strong>as much as id like to leave veron out, it just wouldnt make sense to leave him out! in the 1st leg, any thing we did create was when he came into center midfield - if u remember correctly he created RVN's penalty..
so my team would look like this :

Barthez
Irwin - Brown - Blanc(?) - Silvestre
Scholes - Butt - Keane - Giggs
Veron
RVN

We need to play a whole lot better than we did on the first leg! Im sure SAF will choose the right team to win the tie... :) </strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" /> Why would you play Irwin Over Phil Neville? Neville seemed to handle ZeRoberto pretty well in the first leg. Irwin would be eaten alive!
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Irwin doesn't have the pace I'm afraid. He is very intelligent, but the legs aren't there. It may work against Ipswich, but not Leverkusen.

My Lineup:

--------------------Barthez-----------------------

Phil-----------Blanc--------Brown--------Silvestre

Scholes-------Veron---------Keane------------Giggs

----------------Ole----------Ruud-----------------

United just have to launch forward, but do so intelligently. Schneider and Ze Roberto must be watched carefully, so Silvestre and Phil must not drift forward too much. But, when they can go forward, they must. Veron has to be given the ball and create the chances he did against Deportivo. Furthermore, Scholes has to get himself into good positions to score (Ruud and Ole obviously have to as well).
 
Originally posted by mathiaslg:
<strong>

--------------------Barthez-----------------------

Phil-----------Blanc--------Brown--------Silvestre

Scholes-------Veron---------Keane------------Giggs

----------------Ole----------Ruud-----------------

</strong><hr></blockquote>


SAF should've used that line up at home.. IMO.
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Barthez

Irwin
Albiston
Edwards
McGrath

Keane
Robson
Charlton
Best

Hughes
Law.
 
Hmmm.

I'm being picky I know - but why was the original topic closed, and not this one.
 
Originally posted by True Treble Reds:
<strong>Because it was started 2 1/2 days before this one and was spelt right! Obviously ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

That doesn't explain it. The later one (this one) should have been the one closed surely?
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<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> I knew this would happen!

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

:rolleyes:
 
Shall we start again Mod who likes to close things? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

---------------------- Barthez --------------------

-------------- Johnsen ------- Blanc --------------

----- Brown ----------- Butt ----------- Silv -----

--------------- Keane -------- Verón --------------

----- Scholes ------------------------- Giggs -----

------------------------ RVN ----------------------


I don't know which I prefer TBH, many would love to see the 4-4-2, but for me, I'd go for the second formation as it gives more flexibility in attack whilst plugging any holes that might appear that could be exploited on the counter. It does require Butt however to stay disiplined and STAY back and plug the gaps! I'd like to see this formation in action as it could in theory rip the opposition to bits!

Brown at right back? For me it's a better position for him at the moment And I think that Irwin is too slow to cover this match!
 
Originally posted by True Treble Reds:
<strong>Look up Liv ... you'll notice my sarcasm flying over your head babe ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Sorry. How did I miss that. Maybe because I don't associate you with sardonic wit? ;) ;)
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>Shall we start again Mod who likes to close things? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

---------------------- Barthez --------------------

-------------- Johnsen ------- Blanc --------------

----- Brown ----------- Butt ----------- Silv -----

--------------- Keane -------- Verón --------------

----- Scholes ------------------------- Giggs -----

------------------------ RVN ----------------------


I don't know which I prefer TBH, many would love to see the 4-4-2, but for me, I'd go for the second formation as it gives more flexibility in attack whilst plugging any holes that might appear that could be exploited on the counter. It does require Butt however to stay disiplined and STAY back and plug the gaps! I'd like to see this formation in action as it could in theory rip the opposition to bits!

Brown at right back? For me it's a better position for him at the moment And I think that Irwin is too slow to cover this match!</strong><hr></blockquote>

We need goals. We need 4-4-2. I know it worked in Spain, but they were crap both legs, so maybe that's why it worked!!
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---------------------- Barthez ------------------

-Irwin-------- Johnsen ------- Blanc -----Silv


----------------------- Butt -----------


--------------- Keane -------- Verón -------------

----- Scholes ------------------------- Giggs -----

------------------------ RVN ----------------------
Bench, Forlan,Brown,Carrol,Ole,Nev

This formation gives us many options, we need more possesion and lost the tactical battle in midfield at O/T
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>

We need goals. We need 4-4-2. I know it worked in Spain, but they were crap both legs, so maybe that's why it worked!!</strong><hr></blockquote>

4-4-2 would maybe score goals if Beckham was there, and even if he was, would have serious trouble keeping posession against Leverkusen. It's time for something a little different IMO!
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>

We need goals. We need 4-4-2. I know it worked in Spain, but they were crap both legs, so maybe that's why it worked!!</strong><hr></blockquote>

The formation that I have suggested has never been tried!
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>

The formation that I have suggested has never been tried!</strong><hr></blockquote>


Is tomorrow night the time to start experimenting???
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>


Is tomorrow night the time to start experimenting???</strong><hr></blockquote>

No, but I don't think that 4-4-2 will work on this occasion.

I'm nervous now! <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" />
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If United use my formation, they will win 3-1. Fergie just can't use Veron at RM or it will mess everything up.
 
I think Fergie will go with a 4-5-1 formation and although I'd be tempted to go with 4-4-2 since we need to win (probably) I think it could be the best option.

We can't go gung ho and pile forward trying to score goals because if we do we'll definitely concede making it doubly hard for ourselves. It's 2:2 after all, a narrow victory by the odd goal is all we need so this is not the time to go nuts - a tactical victory is called for here, however unpretty! We need to balance a solid defence/midfield with good attacking play as a unit, as we did in Deportivo. If we do this we can contain Leverkusen and hopefully do plenty of damage to them.

I say.....

Barthez

P Neville (unfortunately)
Johnsen (if fit, otherwise brown)
Blanc
Silvestre

Keane
Scholes
Giggs
Butt
Veron

Van Nistelrooy

Giggs plays behind Ruud as per usual in europe. Although I'd prefer to have beckham in midfield rather than veron in this game, I think he should be on the right wing with Scholes/Butt/Keane staying central and keeping everything tight to prevent Bayer flooding midfield and outnumbering us like they did at Old Trafford.

My 2 cents anyway....
 
Originally posted by mathiaslg:
<strong>My Lineup:

--------------------Barthez-----------------------

Phil-----------Blanc--------Brown--------Silvestre

Scholes-------Veron---------Keane------------Giggs

----------------Ole----------Ruud-----------------

United just have to launch forward, but do so intelligently. Schneider and Ze Roberto must be watched carefully, so Silvestre and Phil must not drift forward too much. But, when they can go forward, they must. Veron has to be given the ball and create the chances he did against Deportivo. Furthermore, Scholes has to get himself into good positions to score (Ruud and Ole obviously have to as well).</strong><hr></blockquote>

Totally agree with that formation...

Scholes would be far better than Veron at tracking back so he has to play on the right...

Although I'd still consider Dennis ahead of Phil, whose positioning is absoloutely awful...
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If Blanc and Johnsen are fit, what about Brown as right back??

Phizza or Dinny as rb vs Ze Roberto seems scary to me......

<img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" />
 
Barthez
Brown
Blanc
Johnsen
Silvestre
Scholes
Butt
Keane
Giggs
Solskjær
Ruud

Yes, that's right, no Veron.
 
yeah good call about brown at right back instead of Phil.
 
Fergie has said it's crucial to win the midfield battle in this match, so i expect us to play 4-5-1. Which is unforunate for Ole. (Then again why was Ole rested against Ipswich and not Niestelroy? )
The problem is who to play in Beckhams position on the right. Don't think Veron works in this position. For one thing he doesn't do his defensive duties when Leverkusen overlap. With Ole it's a similar problem. So it's either Butt or Scholes. Butt would be great defensively as Leverkusen are stong on the left flank.

Barthes
Irwin Blanc Johnsen Silvestre
Keane Scholes
Butt Veron Giggs
RVN

I would prefer Ole instead of Veron. But don't think Fergie will play 4-4-2
 
My strange choice would be:
Barthez
Wes Larry Johnsen Silvestre (if they are all actually fit)
Forlan Scholes Keane Giggs
Ruud Ole

I think Veron is too affected by his injury to play, and can't play the wide role anyway. Scholes also has been great and shouldn't be dropped, we need his goals. Forlan was great at the weekend, and has shown he has the speed, vision and passing to provide good cover on the right. Either him or Chadders, or Butt (solely to stop Ze Roberto). I really think we need to go 4-4-2 for this game, with Ole hopefully being rested at Ipswich because he's playing tomorrow.
 
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