It's Leonard Cohen fwiw. Who is a fully blown leg-end, so it feels a bit harsh to stamp on him, especially as it's little different from most Cohen stuff, but yeah, it's substantially meh. Would've helped if the little gospel backing bit had a stronger presence rather than a timid cameo. A bit of rousing, building production like the "Sign of The Judgement" version in the penultimate 1st season ep, for example
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It's Leonard Cohen fwiw. Who is a fully blown leg-end, so it feels a bit harsh to stamp on him, especially as it's little different from most Cohen stuff, but yeah, it's substantially meh. Would've helped if the little gospel backing bit had a stronger presence rather than a timid cameo. A bit of rousing, building production like the "Sign of The Judgement" version in the penultimate 1st season ep, for example
Do a complete review on it @Mockney if you haven't already ?
I haven't actually watched it yet. Downloaded it, and watched the opening because people were talking about it and I knew it wouldn't spoil anything. Should do in the next couple days tho.
I do hope Rach gets them out at some point, she's just 
I enjoyed it. It's never going to be as good as the first but it's still going to be better than most of what's aired on TV.
I liked it but I miss Matthew
Farrell's character looks great IMO
Farrell's character looks great IMO
I reckon I'll try the same approach. Might be a lot worse than season one but still a good show in its own right.
EDIT: Gah. @Cina got there first. Hate that.
There are some things I liked and some I didn't really. It didn't get me hooked from the go like the previous one but I'm willing to be patient. I think (more like hope) one of the 4 main characters will surprise us with their acting performance.
They showed it this morning at 2am and it will be shown first at that time every week. I thought they did that so it aired at the same time as the US?
The scenes with the Ginger rape kid got me really uncomfortable. Which is what they were going for, I suppose.
Decent enough introductory type episode to three damaged characters, not including Vaughn. Oddly enough he seems to be the most stable one in it.
Is Vince Vaughn a mobster turned businessman?
I didn't think it was that bad, nowhere near the first season but that was inevitable. Ridiculous how Casper was found but other than that and the theme song it was decent.
I didn't think it was that bad, nowhere near the first season but that was inevitable. Ridiculous how Casper was found but other than that and the theme song it was decent.
The opening 'song' feels more like a poetry reading by Cohen, and I quite enjoyed it. It knitted well with the visuals.
The episode had a bit too much going on and felt contrived at times, but I still enjoyed it. It's obviously not a patch on season one, but we all expected that.
The episode had a bit too much going on and felt contrived at times, but I still enjoyed it. It's obviously not a patch on season one, but we all expected that.
I mean, it was only the first episode.
And it's not like the first season wasn't full of silly convenient plot devices either. I know it won't be as good but I have a feeling it'll be picked apart to shit by the cynics on here who like to do that.
And it's not like the first season wasn't full of silly convenient plot devices either. I know it won't be as good but I have a feeling it'll be picked apart to shit by the cynics on here who like to do that.
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Thought it was a decent first episode overall. It wasn’t perfect, and probably didn’t match up to Season 1, but it was still good, and managed to retain that sort of stylistic approach that Season 1 had.
Colin Farrell’s character was definitely the standout of the lot. Immediately got an interesting setup and background which kind of had me intrigued about him more than any of the others. He could fall into the cliché of being a bit of a typically gruff alcoholic anti-hero, but he had a sort of offbeat intensity in this episode that made him really interesting. Plus the scene where he confronts his kids (maybe not his kid) bully. The line about what he’d do if the kid ever bullied someone again was superb.
The characters overall though all felt a bit depressing and grim. Ani seemed a bit bitter and almost gives across the impression of hating everyone, as did Paul. Granted, Kitsch’s character was probably the one who we saw the least of in this episode, so we’ll gradually get more of him I’d imagine. Frank Seymon arguably came across as the most upbeat and least depressing of the lot actually, despite being the out and out criminal.
I reckon Seymon’s wife will play a pretty prominent role. She seems like she has a fair bit of clout over him, since he’s obviously got a certain level of insecurity, like most of the characters we saw.
The setting wasn’t as vibrant as Season 1, and didn’t seem incredibly crucial to the tone of the episode, but it wasn’t too bad either. LA’s one of those places we’ve probably seen so often that it’s hard to put a completely unique spin on it. It certainly wasn’t too bad either, and it should be interesting to see how much they explore the whole underworld of LA.
The whole sexuality aspect was played up too: Ray’s kid might not be his, Ani seemingly liking something that surprised her partner, Paul taking the tablets, and Seymon going through IVF. The whole episode was a bit uncomfortable and unsettling at times, like Season 1, and I think that’s an approach they’ll really play on for a lot of the season.
Colin Farrell’s character was definitely the standout of the lot. Immediately got an interesting setup and background which kind of had me intrigued about him more than any of the others. He could fall into the cliché of being a bit of a typically gruff alcoholic anti-hero, but he had a sort of offbeat intensity in this episode that made him really interesting. Plus the scene where he confronts his kids (maybe not his kid) bully. The line about what he’d do if the kid ever bullied someone again was superb.
The characters overall though all felt a bit depressing and grim. Ani seemed a bit bitter and almost gives across the impression of hating everyone, as did Paul. Granted, Kitsch’s character was probably the one who we saw the least of in this episode, so we’ll gradually get more of him I’d imagine. Frank Seymon arguably came across as the most upbeat and least depressing of the lot actually, despite being the out and out criminal.
I reckon Seymon’s wife will play a pretty prominent role. She seems like she has a fair bit of clout over him, since he’s obviously got a certain level of insecurity, like most of the characters we saw.
The setting wasn’t as vibrant as Season 1, and didn’t seem incredibly crucial to the tone of the episode, but it wasn’t too bad either. LA’s one of those places we’ve probably seen so often that it’s hard to put a completely unique spin on it. It certainly wasn’t too bad either, and it should be interesting to see how much they explore the whole underworld of LA.
The whole sexuality aspect was played up too: Ray’s kid might not be his, Ani seemingly liking something that surprised her partner, Paul taking the tablets, and Seymon going through IVF. The whole episode was a bit uncomfortable and unsettling at times, like Season 1, and I think that’s an approach they’ll really play on for a lot of the season.
It wasn't too bad, felt like it could have done with getting going a bit quicker.
Some general thoughts:
- The theme song isn't good, perhaps its a grower but it doesn't really fit with the titles which again are excellent.
- Some of the haircuts are hilarious, Ani's partner who is conveniently named Elvis, David Morse with ludicrous long hair, the police chief with an annoyingly microphone looking afro.
- Overhead shots, overhead shots everywhere. Don't mind them, just there seemed to be a lot of them.
- Some of Ray's dialogue when he gets angry is just funny, I know it shouldn't be but I couldn't not laugh at a couple of moments which will be obvious to anyone that watched it.
- Early signs are that casting isn't too bad, unfair to compare them to last season really but so far I can believe the characters, Farrell and Vaughn's characters are interesting.
Looking forward to next week.
Some general thoughts:
- The theme song isn't good, perhaps its a grower but it doesn't really fit with the titles which again are excellent.
- Some of the haircuts are hilarious, Ani's partner who is conveniently named Elvis, David Morse with ludicrous long hair, the police chief with an annoyingly microphone looking afro.
- Overhead shots, overhead shots everywhere. Don't mind them, just there seemed to be a lot of them.
- Some of Ray's dialogue when he gets angry is just funny, I know it shouldn't be but I couldn't not laugh at a couple of moments which will be obvious to anyone that watched it.
- Early signs are that casting isn't too bad, unfair to compare them to last season really but so far I can believe the characters, Farrell and Vaughn's characters are interesting.
Looking forward to next week.
"If I have to come back here again I'll buttfeck your dad with your mums headless corpse on the lawn watching"
Lovely.That's one of the lines 
Loved that"If I have to come back here again I'll buttfeck your dad with your mums headless corpse on the lawn watching"
I thought Los Angeles worked really well as a setting.
Are you sure that's it? I thought it was buttfecking his dad with his mom's corpse, not buttfecking his dad whilst his mom's corpse watches. One sounds very menacing, the other quite menacing and a bit gay and voyeuristic.."If I have to come back here again I'll buttfeck your dad with your mums headless corpse on the lawn watching"
Yup, just checked except replace dad with father and remove watching from the end.
It'll be interesting to see what the ultimate 'evil' will be for the season. The first worked really well with the ritualistic occult-like sacrifices by the Childress dynasty, but they can't really take a similar path for this season.
There was some pretty weird shit in Caspere's house.
Kitsch's girlfriend
Even though he didn't seem too bad in this episode, I still think Vaughn's character will probably come closest to being the evil big bad, although hopefully in a fairly nuanced way.
Why I'm interested, I don't know. I don't even watch the show.
But, on this forum, there are people saying "meh." While other forums are saying how great it is....
Are Farrell and Vaughan any good?
But, on this forum, there are people saying "meh." While other forums are saying how great it is....
Are Farrell and Vaughan any good?
It was always gonna be divisive after the first season, since it's a new cast, setting, story etc.
Farrell was superb, I thought. Vaughn was fairly meh.
I enjoyed it. Cheesy wrote a really good review above. Farrell is excellent as always, he's shown he is a very diverse actor in his films, this one combines a couple of his roles and is great so far. Vaughan has the most to prove really as he's not renowned for overly serious roles, more for comedy. He wasn't in this episode that much, but when he was, he was ok. As Cheesy said, it retained the uncomfortable and creepy feel from the first series, and it was a pretty good first episode, although it did cram a lot of plotlines in to one episode.
If it works out an interesting dynamic between the leads it'll be fine because individually they're fairly uninteresting. I'm going to re watch it tonight.
I was taking the piss, didn't realise it was actually Cohen (thought it was someone trying to sound like him). You're right, he is a legend, and this might have been a great song if he'd written it three decades ago.
See I don't think it had any of the creepy gothic vibe from Series 1 at all. This is more straight up Noir hence the nods to Mulholland Drive and The Maltese Falcon pointed out earlier.
Mine too, but on second viewing I think she implies fantasy rape. It follows on from the discussion Farrell has with his lawyer as well, if it's anal, why give the scene so much prominence. If it's the latter, it hints at something to come between two of the main characters.
Yeah you might be right although I've got no faith in this guy setting up anything for later after what happened with the first season.
I think a big part of the first episode being a letdown in many ways was the fact that none of the characters (bar Farrell and Vaughn, who's scenes together were good imo) interacted with each other until the very very end. Most of the best scenes in the first series were when the two leads were together. I'm hoping it'll improve now that they're all intertwined.
Watched it, and I'm sorry but I still can't get used to this:
or this:
or this:
Loved it. Can't understand all the hate, just enjoy it, people.
Anyway, what the feck was that woman in the milk bowl all about? Was that a hallucination or what? Was I hallucinating (seeing as nobody else has mentioned it)?