WeePat
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It is good business
It isn’t.
It is good business
Good point. Makes sense. Citys way of having flexible defenders is quite smart as it allow you to have more player of decent quality.
Shaw/Malacia/Hato* - Martinez/Hato - New/Maguire/Chalobah - Dalot/Chalobah
Would essentialy feel like we had greater dept by selling/removing four (Varane, Lindeløf, Evans and AWB) and bringing in three.
Took Hato as an example. Calafiori could probably be another option. Probably a bunch of them I dont know of. Would also prefer if we could replace Malacia with an attacking fullback as that is something we probably lack. Furthermore, not comfortable with having Shaw, Malacia and Martinez as three of four option as LB/LCB aftet this season.
Could it be that we would move to a 3 in the back or the system or that system when CB plays as FB by moving Martinez to the LB spot?If we were to sign Chalobah it would be as a rotation option at CB and RB imo. I think we will buy a marquee CB to come in and partner Martinez. I think this signing (Chalobah) could see us sell Wan Bissaka.
Could it be that we would move to a 3 in the back or the system or that system when CB plays as FB by moving Martinez to the LB spot?
It isn’t.
It is, we get a better CB for nothing and sell Chalobah and gain £25M.
In my mind the middle CB is a tall CB with a good heading.I think you would prefer Martinez through the middle in a back three. At LCB you would want someone better adept at defending that channel. Someone quick and physical. A bit like Chalobah just left foted. Furthermore, the CB through the middle is also more allowed to be aggressive. Both on the ball and of the ball, stepping into midfield.
We have seen Shaw inverting into LCB sometimes, and he is quite good there.
I don't think we will ever see EtH switch to a pure 343 (ala Amorim or Potter at Brighton). But we could definitely see a 4231 with an inverted full back.
Debatable, and even if true it’s still bad business.
No it isn't, Chalobah has a 45% success rate at aerial duels. He's not good in the air.
I dont think he starts for most PL sides.
Who?Olise, Musiala and Mbappe all say hello!
Another Chelsea cast off. Mata, Matic, Mount. We never learn.Good player, but given his injuries this season, I would be very wary about making this signing. There must be something Chelsea know if they're willing to do business at the reported 25M, PSR or not.
Another Chelsea cast off. Mata, Matic, Mount. We never learn.![]()
Who?
if this is where we are, we might as well appoint Allardyce as manager
So you move from Lindelof, Maguire, Varane, Martinez, Evans and Willy to:Agreed, we have Willy so this chap is not required.
We need at least one CB to start alongside Licha so hopefully Lindelof and Maguire are sold, that should free up some funds for one big signing in the CB area and we can have Willy as a bench option
Giving him too much credit. At least they were highly rated at one point for things they actually did and were relatively fit when we signed them. Trevoh started 6 premier league games last season and has had 1 fairly good season a couple of years ago, now hes aged of 24 and has a poor fitness record.
Signing him would be as bad as 2 of those poor signings above combined.
Revers psychology, nice.Maybe that's the key? Don't sign Chelsea players who have played well for them like Mata and Mount, sign the ones that haven't, like Olise, Guehi, and... Chalobah!?
So you move from Lindelof, Maguire, Varane, Martinez, Evans and Willy to:
new CB, Martinez and Willy
Is that wise after a season where our CBs have been consistently injure? We still don’t know if Martinez is going to last a season or whether (as I suspect) he is going to pick up increasing nibbling injuries now
I think unless we are investing in at least 2 in this area, we are going to see Maguire and either Lindelof or Evans stay
It is good business
It isn’t.
That's exactly why you're selling Chalobah. The analysts at Chelsea probably ran a stat model that showed Tosin is very similar to Chalobah and a like for like replacement. If they can sell Chalobah (hopefully not to us) for 30m and get Tosin for free, it's 150m they can use for amortization in FFP.
I'm not arguing whether that's the correct move or not, but the motive seems to be primarily driven by numbers here.
It's 100% driven by FFP reasons. They've put themselves in such a stupid hole with reckless spending that they now have to make transfers for the sake making transfers to boost the books. Tosin and Chalobah are very comparable players, but one has a deeper connection to the club and the fans so I reject the notion that it is a like for like replacement, it's only like for like in one aspect. It would be like if we sold Gallagher and then picked up McTominay on a free as his replacement. It would be stupid business because you're losing a part of the soul of the club for very little, if any at all, gain on the pitch.
If they sold Disasi for 30m and brought in Tosin as his replacement for example, I'd view it as excellent business because it's a like for like in every sense, but Tosin is a smaller hit on the books and they just about break even Disasi.
It's a weird one because on one hand I disagree with the rules that mean that homegrown players give better profit on the PSR front because clubs should be encouraged to keep those players more so and fans have more connection with players of that ilk usually, but on the other hand Chelsea have cornered themselves with those rules because of spending so recklessly.
You only get to place where you desperately need to sell homegrown players for pure profit when you've spent recklessly for a while. No other club in this league is in this situation. I have seen people talk about the rules incentivising selling academy players for pure profit is stupid but it's never been an issue before now - they are likely selling Gallagher, Chalobah, Maatsen and Hutchinson this summer, as well as Lewis Hall whose move is made permanent this summer, that's well over £130m in pure profit, but we'll be back here next summer with rumours hanging on Colwill's head probably and we'll have these same conversations again.
Well, yes and no. Yes, that can be a situation but also there's the problem that the clubs at the lower end of the table need to sell homegrown players to be able to spend more and try to move up the league. I don't think that's right.
Yeah fair enough, I hadn't considered that. I just meant selling academy players to avoid falling foul of the FFP rules. That's a self made problem and it's the club that should be criticised in this situation, not the rules. I understand though, that the rules themselves are causing different issues elsewhere.
That's why I don't have sympathy for Chelsea in this situation as they have the prestige, luxury and financial muscle to be more savvy in the market and spend more anyway.
Why would be play our best CB by a country mile out of position at LB? Jesus weptCould it be that we would move to a 3 in the back or the system or that system when CB plays as FB by moving Martinez to the LB spot?
If we buy Jarrad Branthwaite, who is two footed and tall, he would be better centrally, besides it's not out of position, because it's the inverting LB position.Why would be play our best CB by a country mile out of position at LB? Jesus wept
It's 100% driven by FFP reasons. They've put themselves in such a stupid hole with reckless spending that they now have to make transfers for the sake making transfers to boost the books. Tosin and Chalobah are very comparable players, but one has a deeper connection to the club and the fans so I reject the notion that it is a like for like replacement, it's only like for like in one aspect. It would be like if we sold Gallagher and then picked up McTominay on a free as his replacement. It would be stupid business because you're losing a part of the soul of the club for very little, if any at all, gain on the pitch.
If they sold Disasi for 30m and brought in Tosin as his replacement for example, I'd view it as excellent business because it's a like for like in every sense, but Tosin is a smaller hit on the books and they just about break even Disasi.
What? we could easily keep Chalobah we dont have to sell him.
We just got £35M for lewis Hall then we have money potentially for Broja, Maatsen, Hutchinson. Thats like over £100M pure profit.
It's simple the sporting directors dont rate Chalobah or Gallagher that highly. The two elite Cobham talents Colwill and James we keep.
If we buy Jarrad Branthwaite, who is two footed and tall, he would be better centrally, besides it's not out of position, because it's the inverting LB position.