So you are prepared to lose one of the best goalkeepers in the world for free - and on top of everything treat a legend of this club like shit ? This is how Barcelona treat their players - not how we should do it
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So you are prepared to lose one of the best goalkeepers in the world for free - and on top of everything treat a legend of this club like shit ? This is how Barcelona treat their players - not how we should do it
To some extent it’s a double edged sword though. DDG has made 375k per week for a long time, in comparison to the second highest paid GK in the PL in Allison who makes 150k per week. Everson makes 100k per week. By no market standard is David De Gea worth more than 150k per week. If we give him 150k, we overpay him for sure.
Should we be a club players only sign with if we overpay them a lot?
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So you think barca's issue is that they don't pay club legends more than they are worth?
Exactly. And the idea that it would be “treating him like shit” to pay him £150-200k a week (still commensurate with the other keepers at top teams in the league) is laughable. Maybe he should show his love for the club in his actions and take a lower salary so that we can strengthen elsewhere in the team? Tom Brady was underpaid most of the backend of his career for that very reason.
You have to factor in that a replacement costs money in transfer fees, resigning De Gea saves that expense. We might get a GK on a cheaper salary but if it costs £40 million to do so then it's unlikely to be much cheaper.
While I have no doubt your facts are right your conclusions are wrong.
De Gea has a choice, take a pay cut to put him where he should be in terms of the market or leave. Nobody said anything about happily.
The problem for De Gea is that if he leaves he is unlikely to get any more than circa £150k per week (excluding maybe a the dynamics of a transfer fee not being paid). The reality is that’s his market rate.
if you earn far more than your market rate and your productivity doesn’t match it then you get fired or you agree to a pay cut that solves the issue. It’s really that simple. Nobody would be any kinder to you or I in our chosen careers and it’s time this club was run less as a charity and more as a football club that wants to win things.
For the record, I don’t blame DDG or his wage I blame Woodward, he should have been sold when we still had Romero as number 2. Passing on huge transfer fees and paying bigger wages to keep him was lunacy.
If you factor in the transfer fee and wages to get a replacement - then £200-£250k is about right for DDG in my opinion. As a free agent if he leaves he'll get that elsewhere. With a settled back 4 and midfield we have one of the best defences in the premier league - he is playing his part in that. £250k a week, Im fine with that.
We can do things in the transfer market that other clubs can only dream of
He can do everything Mo Salah can do afterall
Ronaldo forces his way out for free and then we have to pay his new team to borrow the striker they now don’t want. Fun times.
A different option if Rashford getting no joy
Did you want prime Neuer as #2 or something?
Probably at the request of ronaldo who wants to make certain no player in the team outshines the Hugely declining star
Hey if he can find 5 goals for us I'm happy
I don’t know why so many of our so-called fans on here love to take any opportunity to make a laughable dig at the club they claim to support?
Don't look in any of the Sancho threads over the past month or two, horrible reading.
We're not part of a cult, it's okay to take the piss and have a laugh y'know
Are we really competing with Fenerbache? Getting a bit ludicrous this - I'm sure Ten Haag will be angry if we don't get the right person in. Why not get a young star from league 1 or the Championship if we're just going to give some nobody a contract for doing nothing?
That would be a good stop gap option for a 6 month loan.
Yeah that's all we need
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I'm glad he capitalized the 'No' for emphasis.
Same old jokes get tired the 40,000th time you hear them though…..
I really don’t want Choupo. That would be one ex-Stoke player too many!
I should've added a
tbf there's not many clubs can compete with our insatiable appetite for 2nd GKs
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Regardless of who is to blame. With your reasoning - we are asking our best goalkeeper who has over the last 7-8 years been our best or at least close to our best performer to take an insane paycut - not because we have to because of finances, not because he is overpaid in terms the wages we have at our club, but because you think its his market value. If we give DeGea £150.000 a week - we would demote him from one of our best performers, to one of the least paid first-team regulars. The only way to do something like this (if you have a TINY understanding of human behaviour) - is if you want to chase DDG out the door. Because that is what will happen - no sane person will accept a 60% paycut - unless maybe to save the club from bankrupcty as a gesture of goodwill.
But what you don't seem to grasp - is that if there are just 2 clubs with money competing for a 32 year DDG, "the market value" thing doesn't really count. Simply because since there is no transfer fee involved, clubs can afford to offer him a bit more to win a bidding war. But maybe you are right, maybe they will only offer him say £180.000 and a 4-year contract- of course they will likely sweeten that deal by a huge signing on fee. Let's for sake of argument that amount is £15 million - which isn't unlikely. Then that will be the equivalent to £75-80.000 extra a week over his contract period - so that renders your "market value"-theory rather void. Players who sign on free transfer don't get market value in their contracts. When Sol Campbell joined Arsenal from Spurs, the latter refused to give him £100.000 a week. Arsenal reportedly give him that and roughly £8-10 million in signing-on-fee. Which over his 5 year contract added another £30-40.000 a week.
You also make it sound impossible that anyone would give him above market value - market value is what anyone is willing to pay for him, not what similar goalkeepers get paid. The fact is - in Spain, there is a club DDG knows really well. Jan Oblak is their best paid player - almost on the same wages as DDG. Let's theoretically say that Oblak hands in a transfer request - Atletico sell him for £70 million and are short one goalkeeper. And they get DDG back for £15 million in signing on fee, and give him £300.000 a week - still £50.000 less than Oblak reportedly has. So when you say "it's really that simple" - you really over-simplify that. It's never that simple.
We gave him a contract of that amount a few years ago (which was too much granted) - I am sure we can get him to accept a slightly lower wage in his new contract- but your reasoning of an insane wage-reduction is only valid if your idea is to allow DDG to leave on a free. Because that is what will happen, and then we have to spend £50 million to replace him with a goalkeeper who may or not be just as good.
First of all - your numbers are a bit wrong - Allison, Ederson and Kepa reportedly all making between £150-180.000 - Ederson with the highest wages. But in Europe there are apparently 4 keepers who make a lot more than these, Neuer, Rico, Navas and Oblak. But generally english clubs are heavily underpaying goalkeepers. Allison is not particularly well-paid at Liverpool. Salah earns more than twice as much as him - is that correct ? City is evern worse - Haaland, De Bruyne, Grealish, Cancelo, Stones, Foden, Rodri at least - all make significantly more than Ederson.
At United, DDG is among our best paid players - as I think he should be as he is among our best players. In my world - it would seem bizarre to reduce his wages from £350-375.000 to .. say £150-200.000 simply because he is a goalkeeper, and thats what Ederson and Allison is making. Especially when we have 3-4 other players who are on more or less the same wages, who don't contribute as much as DDG does.
Looks like we're enquiring about every decent big man around. First, Giroud, and now Weghorst. This still has a long way to go, but now we know that we're looking at Weghorst, at least.
Weghorst did a goodbye celebration at Besiktas.
Does look like he’s leaving then imminently..
Aye. As always it’ll break elsewhere before the U.K. journos corroborate.
Thoughts on Weghorst (and possibly Felix too)?
I think the fact we wanted Felix in the summer tells me we’ll go for him if atletico be reasonable and include a buy-option in the loan. Weghorst seems like a great stop-gap option to me - happy to be a sub, offers something very different and is a pressing machine.
I think this deal if true it's a pretty good deal and a realistic price providing it's not an iron clad obligation.
The Mirror itself is banned, but certain journalists are given a pass (like Simon Mullock, who's Tier 4). In this case, Hopkinson isn't categorised anywhere, so this shouldn't be posted.
No worries, I’ve removed the post.
I seen it on the Joao Felix thread so posted it here.
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