Fair enough - I'm just fatigued by it all now. Anyway, I also realise perhaps this isn't the thread for my musings
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Fair enough - I'm just fatigued by it all now. Anyway, I also realise perhaps this isn't the thread for my musings
It’s understandable! I totally get where you’re coming from.Fair enough - I'm just fatigued by it all now. Anyway, I also realise perhaps this isn't the thread for my musings
Very much this.
As I said, I get negativity and criticism where constructive... Saying a players mother should "suck a dick" or other random personal abuse isn't really needed or valuable to said debate/discussion is it?
Please just give us a top DM and a top CF and we will be happy for this window.
Kimmich and Mbappe would do, thanks
That’s what I’ve always thought about Redcafe. Sometimes it’s too positive…
Dreaming.
Let me
Are any of the team performing well though ?
Its a new season. That excuse isn’t valid anymore
Sorry I thought this was the transfer tweets thread.
No, but most negative conments on here aren't like that. There are going to be a few comments like that but most are simply criticising the decisions, transfer window, etc. Let's not act like many of the positive posters here only aggressively dig out people making abusive comments. I've been essentially screamed at for not thinking FDJ wanted to join us a month and a half ago. I didn't personally insult anyone, I simply said I believed he wanted to stay at Barcelona and didn't see anything to suggest he ever wanted to join Utd. That's just a personal example but there are loads of examples of positive posters angrilly typing at their keyboards at any post that they deem negative. If you want to be positive and have a different opinion that's cool, but stop acting like people don't have the right to post anything simply because they disagree with you.
This is the failure management thread.
Agree.
I also suspect a lot of the newbies aren’t actually United fans really and are here to take the piss and WUM.
Few posters want to discuss anything constructively. The place has actually become an echo chamber of people moaning and slagging off the the players and the club.
Not sure what discussion can be had with that kind of poster tbh.
Cant complain about this sentiment.
Great post, absolutely beyond sick of the almost gimmick like nature of some on here. Comes across totally disingenuous the level of non stop defending and positivity towards the club.
Obviously some are extreme the other way and there’s a lot more of them too. Both are annoying.
By the same token, people could say that the lot that aren't willing to acknowledge and discuss the chronic issues that have plagued United for years aren't actually fans. I tried to engage with UnitedSofa about the fact that I've spent hundreds on United already this season, cut an important weekend short to make it to Old Trafford and feel like the owners don't value the club the same way fans do, who invest a hell of a lot of time and money into United. Do people not have a right to feel aggrieved given how shoddily we are being run? It's been an issue for a fecking decade, and was only masked prior to that due to the genius of Fergie. UnitedSofa didn't bother responding obviously and instead continues to bitch about other reds for having the temerity to air concerns about our direction. It's a bit boring, tbh.
I’ve no knowledge of your discussion with @UnitedSofa but I speak generally.
Of course people have a right to complain about the club. Who on earth could be happy the way things currently are? I’m certainly not however I do remain optimistic that we have a good manager and that we will slowly start to see some improvement if we remain patient and accept where we currently are.
Ultimately I find many posters have unrealistic expectations for this season. We aren’t favourites for top 4 and in our current state won’t get it.
It took Klopp two full transfer windows and three quarters of the season he took over from Rodgers (October he started and they finished 8th) before he started to make sufficient changes to the style of play and squad to get 4th place. He also had to get himself used to the league.
EtH will make mistakes this season, he did against Brighton, but I’m confident he will learn and adapt. Murtough and Arnold will make mistakes too and we are still yet to replace our head scouts. Am I happy? No but I’m realistic. We don’t have a solid structure and the manager has just arrived to a new league. Obviously I want a trophy and CL football but it’s not going to happen immediately.
If people want to discuss the issues great. That’s what the forum is for. But you can’t honestly tell me this place hasn’t become full of posters slagging off everything they can because they are here to have a constructive chat about the club.
More tweets, less mass discussion please lads.
our main rivals are cheslea / arsenal / spurs. they all started the window with objectively better midfields than ours. as its stands they've all strengthened and we've arguable weakened. and the season has started, and they are all already 3 pts ahead of us. as a morbidly obese spanish waiter once said FACTS.
The difference is Liverpool had some semblance of an overarching plan prior to Klopp. Michael Edwards was at the club and they had signed the likes of Firmino. Klopp came in and wanted Julian Brandt, was ignored and got Salah instead. It's not just about getting ten Hag in - having a promising manager on the up isn't close to being enough. Fans were expecting more from the directors and it's increasingly clear that there's nothing of substance there. After finally getting a manager that isn't sloppy seconds and came with no baggage, the club has fumbled it by assuming he can do it all alone.I’ve no knowledge of your discussion with @UnitedSofa but I speak generally.
Of course people have a right to complain about the club. Who on earth could be happy the way things currently are? I’m certainly not however I do remain optimistic that we have a good manager and that we will slowly start to see some improvement if we remain patient and accept where we currently are.
Ultimately I find many posters have unrealistic expectations for this season. We aren’t favourites for top 4 and in our current state won’t get it.
It took Klopp two full transfer windows and three quarters of the season he took over from Rodgers (October he started and they finished 8th) before he started to make sufficient changes to the style of play and squad to get 4th place. He also had to get himself used to the league.
EtH will make mistakes this season, he did against Brighton, but I’m confident he will learn and adapt. Murtough and Arnold will make mistakes too and we are still yet to replace our head scouts. Am I happy? No but I’m realistic. We don’t have a solid structure and the manager has just arrived to a new league. Obviously I want a trophy and CL football but it’s not going to happen immediately.
If people want to discuss the issues great. That’s what the forum is for. But you can’t honestly tell me this place hasn’t become full of posters slagging off everything they can because they are here to have a constructive chat about the club.
It's an absolute gut punch after the incredible good mood about the place when ten Hag was announced. It's a disgrace what the owners are doing to United.
Yes I agree and this is why I’m baffled when expectations and anger here becomes so high.
We are still sorting our structure out and it was never going to be ready for this window. We haven’t replaced the chief scout or head of global recruitment yet and I suspect we are overhauling everything behind the scenes. This was evident with all the high profile departures that were announced prior to the appointment of Ten Hag.
Klopp was in a better, more stable, environment than Ten Hag and still took that amount of time to see progress. All of our changes, including the manager and coaches, are happening now. Unfortunately football won’t go on pause for us though so we still have to get through this window sensibly whilst doing the best we can to remain stable and progressive on the pitch.
Fantastic post on exactly how I feel
Melissa Reddy was on SSN earlier saying our transfer strategy is “scrambling around the cheap and easy aisle “
This guy is just trying to make a name for himself off the Dutch connection. I'm pretty sure he's De Telegraaf's Feyenoord watcher, yet he keeps commenting on Ajax and PSV in the English media.
I’ve no knowledge of your discussion with @UnitedSofa but I speak generally.
Of course people have a right to complain about the club. Who on earth could be happy the way things currently are? I’m certainly not however I do remain optimistic that we have a good manager and that we will slowly start to see some improvement if we remain patient and accept where we currently are.
Ultimately I find many posters have unrealistic expectations for this season. We aren’t favourites for top 4 and in our current state won’t get it.
It took Klopp two full transfer windows and three quarters of the season he took over from Rodgers (October he started and they finished 8th) before he started to make sufficient changes to the style of play and squad to get 4th place. He also had to get himself used to the league.
EtH will make mistakes this season, he did against Brighton, but I’m confident he will learn and adapt. Murtough and Arnold will make mistakes too and we are still yet to replace our head scouts. Am I happy? No but I’m realistic. We don’t have a solid structure and the manager has just arrived to a new league. Obviously I want a trophy and CL football but it’s not going to happen immediately.
If people want to discuss the issues great. That’s what the forum is for. But you can’t honestly tell me this place hasn’t become full of posters slagging off everything they can because they are here to have a constructive chat about the club.
This is my sentiments also.
I agree that I can be overly optomisitic at times, sometimes to my own detriment. My constant dick-riding of Ole when the issues were clear to see. I did admit at times that Ole wasn't up to the standard that Man Utd demand. But that whole period of the club was a good mix of players playing poorly, Ronaldo coming in, and the whole feeling around the club being incredibly negative. We were actually playing some decent football before Ronaldo came, which fecked up Ole's tactics. Ralf came in and I then too defended Ralf as it was clear it was the players causing the issues.
But the criticism became farrrr too much. There was slagging off of every little thing if it doesn't go the way that we want it to.
We all want to win every single game but we also should live in some sort of reality whereby if we lose we don't go over the top with the criticisms. It's like doing the same thing over and over and expecting the same result. Why are you getting this angry when you know the result before the game has even begun. Take the Liverpool game in a couple weeks. We all know that we are most likely going to lose or get battered. But will EtH get called a fraud. Yes most likely. Will the owners get thrown under the bus. Yes most likely. Will Murtough/Arnold get shit thrown at them? Yes, most likely.
People need to calm down and temper their expectations. I'm hoping for a Top 4 finish and a trophy. Will we get either?? Maybe. Will we get neither. Most likely. We just got to take each game as it comes and give EtH and the club TIME. I know that we've given the club 10 years of time. But now we actually have a manager who can coach, so we should continue to be patient with him and let him do his job.
I like Religion, am not happy with the way the club is at the. moment, who would be? I want trophies, I want the best players, I want championships. But I also know that we aren't good enough yet and am happy to enjoy the wait for that to happen. Too many fans have got used to the Fergie years where we were winning everything. That time has finished. It is City/Liverpool's time now, like it was Chelsea's during Mourinho's era. We will come good again, just be patient with EtH, let's not push out the one potentially world class manager that we've had in a long long time.
Did they really? I certainly didn't see it, if they did Klopp wouldn't have swapped out the whole first 11 within 2 years.
Edwards had less experience than Murtough. Let's remember that Firminho/Salah weren't anywhere near as good as they are now. Salah was regarded as a Chelsea flop and when Firminho chose Liverpool over us, no one gave much of a feck.
What exactly are the owners doing? I get it, the whole divdends and not reducing the loan and barely fixing OT. They should reduce the debt and they should not take money out in dividends.
But on the footballing side what are they doing wrong really?
They only put in what the club generates - on one hand that's perfect business sense - on the other hand they could and should be putting money in to buy players. But that being said, we have kept up and outspent all of the oil rich clubs in recent years. So where have they gone wrong? They don't pick the players, recruitment team/managers do. So what's gone wrong? Wrong players? How do we buy players and then they immediately turn to shit? (Bruno is one good example, after 2nd season nowhere near as good as 1st season)
What's imaginary abnout what was posted?
Your post is just an example of what (s)he means. Congrats.
blergh. Frenkie joining Chelsea will be such a bad look for us after all this constant press about us being after him.
I think him as a player is worth sticking it out for, but I'd absolutely hate it if he now joins Chelsea.
So?
Can his agent play a CDM?
Erm most of it, none of the below is remotely true. You lot get so fecking hysterical over everything that this is what you end up thinking. I can't imagine getting to a position where someone would admit the below is their perception.
Every signing is shit if they don’t play a blinder first game.
Everyone we’re linked to is shit.
No one wants to spend the money on hidden gems
why dont we do a split deal. they can have frenkie for a half the season, well have him for the other half of the season, barca can hold onto his economic rights so they can pull another lever or two. everyones quids in.
Means feck all....we have had a fee agreed with Barca for Frenkie for like 2 months now
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