I genuinely think we are a better team with 9 men than McFred.
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I genuinely think we are a better team with 9 men than McFred.
They only explanation must be that players who are in their prime or categorized as super talents are not interested in joining us anymore - at all. There is just to many other clubs with more interesting projects going on at the moment. Sad but true.
Garner is also home-grown rubbish. If you watched him play in the Championship playoff final, he was guff. We have to stop overrating players simply because they have come through our academy.
Swapping one Juventus nightmare for another, are we? Only positive is he’d come with literally 0 (probably on the negative scale with toxicity) expectations. No smoke without fire, which is concerning enough, wether this and Arnautovic happens or not.
Makes me wonder if this is how Murtaugh reduces our expectations, before signing the real, slightly less underwhelming targets…
Makes me wonder if this is how Murtaugh reduces our expectations, before signing the real, slightly less underwhelming targets…
Well thats Fabians Ruiz off to PSG then. That one is off the table
You might be right there. Garner deserves his shot now though over those two.
So we got rid of Pogba just to replace him with a shittier version who has even more baggage? Sounds like a plan.
definitely and I’d even give Iqbal a chance.
100%
If the deal means I dont have to see McTom anymore then its very much worth it
Think he broke through very young
The one where he set up the winning goal?
A cracking player on his day. Pogba Mark II
Why weren't we in for Ruiz?
Clearly looking to improve the character in the dressing room by bringing in Arnautovic and now Rabiot. Both well known for being lovely lads
I guess ETH wasn't aware of him. That seems to be the only criteria for our recruitment this season
You get the feeling journos are pissing themselves writing up our demise and woeful practices.
Because the Glazers don't want to spend. That is all
I posted ages ago that after an inevitably shit window and some poor results that ETH would walk after a toxic October. Nothing in the last few weeks has suggested otherwise...
0% chance of that happening
For me it feels more like journalists are in a state of bewilderment at how badly we're run
Getting rid of Pogba to sign Rabiot is a move Woody could only dream of.
That very one. How many times have we said about Bruno that he has contributed to goals but the rest of his game was utter shite?
Splendid. I hate the whole "either FDJ or nobody else" mantra.
Don't remember we were ever linked with him either, doubt that's the reason.
Can someone please tell me what this so called baggage is? Is it the fact that his mother wants the best deal for him and is vocal is doing so? Yet when Mino was throwing chairs around it’s deemed acceptable and just doing what’s best for his client.
That's the funniest thing I've read all summer
What is going on...
I’d say Arnautovic is worse.
Maybe not all players want to join a United in dissaray without CL football.
He was one of their best players last season.
after a decade ofjust saying yes To transfer demands the only way to set us on the right path is to hurt our club short term and starting sticking to our values of a players worth.
Barcelona have told Frenkie de Jong they want to annul his existing contract and return to the deal he was on before, alleging the terms given to him by the club’s previous board involved criminality and provide grounds for legal action against those involved, The Athletic can reveal.
The Catalan side have serious financial problems and among the ways they are trying to improve matters is by selling De Jong or reaching an agreement with him over deferred wages he is owed.
There has so far been no sign of a compromise between the 25-year-old Netherlands midfielder and his employers in what is becoming one of the most extraordinary sagas the game has seen.
Manchester United had a bid for De Jong accepted, as reported on July 14, but issues with the player — the outstanding money owed and whether he wants a move to United — remained unresolved.
According to sources in Spain, Barcelona wrote to De Jong on July 15 claiming to have found evidence of criminal actions on behalf of the parties who signed his renewal on October 20, 2020.
It was a two-year extension until 2026 that is reported to have reduced his salary for the 2020-21 and 2021-22 seasons, leaving €18million (£15.2m, $18.3m) to be spread across the subsequent four campaigns.
De Jong’s deal was announced alongside three others — Gerard Pique, Marc-Andre ter Stegen and Clement Lenglet — and this proved to be one of the final decisions by then president Josep Bartomeu prior to he and the entire board of directors at the time stepping down from their posts.
The letter sent to De Jong last month is thought to inform the Dutchman that Barcelona think they are in a position to initiate criminal proceedings to establish what happened in relation to the signing of his contract and ascertain where responsibility resides for the supposed wrongdoing.
It is believed to then express Barcelona’s wish to rescind the deal and proceed with De Jong’s career at the Camp Nou under the conditions agreed when he arrived from Ajax in January 2019.
The Athletic understands the previous board are confident in the legality of the contract De Jong signed in 2020 and insist the deal was agreed after approval from legal parties and La Liga. In an interview with the Barcelona newspaper Mundo Deportivo last year, former president Bartomeu insisted the previous board’s management of the club was “serious and responsible”.
Sources around the Catalan club suggest there has been further dialogue between Barcelona and De Jong’s camp, in which the present board have identified their predecessors for the alleged criminality and warned that De Jong and his representatives may also be implicated.
That could be perceived to reinforce comments by Evgeniy Levchenko — chairman of the Dutch players’ union — that De Jong might be a victim of extortion, a notion current Barcelona president Joan Laporta denies. Global players’ union FIFPRO is known to be closely monitoring the situation and Barcelona’s attempts to try to make the player accept a vastly reduced sum from the €18m he agreed to defer during the pandemic.
Barcelona are engaged in similar conversations with Pique and Ter Stegen (Lenglet is on loan at Tottenham Hotspur) but it is unknown if they have also received communication of a legal nature.
De Jong’s preference is to stay with the 26-time La Liga champions but if a departure does end up materialising, he is said not to have made a decision so far on the team he would like to join.
Chelsea have a firm interest and while it is understood they are yet to submit a formal bid, sources indicate they are prepared to fund the transfer fee and cover the salary debt should De Jong pick a switch to Stamford Bridge. They have an advantage over United in playing Champions League football this season, although it is thought that alone will not determine his potential destination.
Despite their predicament, Barcelona have recruited heavily this summer; Franck Kessie, Andreas Christensen, Raphinha, Robert Lewandowski and Jules Kounde are the most notable acquisitions. Barcelona declined to comment and HCM Sports Management, who look after De Jong, were approached for comment.
The Catalan side have serious financial problems and among the ways they are trying to improve matters is by selling De Jong or reaching an agreement with him over deferred wages he is owed.
There has so far been no sign of a compromise between the 25-year-old Netherlands midfielder and his employers in what is becoming one of the most extraordinary sagas the game has seen.
Manchester United had a bid for De Jong accepted, as reported on July 14, but issues with the player — the outstanding money owed and whether he wants a move to United — remained unresolved.
According to sources in Spain, Barcelona wrote to De Jong on July 15 claiming to have found evidence of criminal actions on behalf of the parties who signed his renewal on October 20, 2020.
It was a two-year extension until 2026 that is reported to have reduced his salary for the 2020-21 and 2021-22 seasons, leaving €18million (£15.2m, $18.3m) to be spread across the subsequent four campaigns.
De Jong’s deal was announced alongside three others — Gerard Pique, Marc-Andre ter Stegen and Clement Lenglet — and this proved to be one of the final decisions by then president Josep Bartomeu prior to he and the entire board of directors at the time stepping down from their posts.
The letter sent to De Jong last month is thought to inform the Dutchman that Barcelona think they are in a position to initiate criminal proceedings to establish what happened in relation to the signing of his contract and ascertain where responsibility resides for the supposed wrongdoing.
It is believed to then express Barcelona’s wish to rescind the deal and proceed with De Jong’s career at the Camp Nou under the conditions agreed when he arrived from Ajax in January 2019.
The Athletic understands the previous board are confident in the legality of the contract De Jong signed in 2020 and insist the deal was agreed after approval from legal parties and La Liga. In an interview with the Barcelona newspaper Mundo Deportivo last year, former president Bartomeu insisted the previous board’s management of the club was “serious and responsible”.
Sources around the Catalan club suggest there has been further dialogue between Barcelona and De Jong’s camp, in which the present board have identified their predecessors for the alleged criminality and warned that De Jong and his representatives may also be implicated.
That could be perceived to reinforce comments by Evgeniy Levchenko — chairman of the Dutch players’ union — that De Jong might be a victim of extortion, a notion current Barcelona president Joan Laporta denies. Global players’ union FIFPRO is known to be closely monitoring the situation and Barcelona’s attempts to try to make the player accept a vastly reduced sum from the €18m he agreed to defer during the pandemic.
Barcelona are engaged in similar conversations with Pique and Ter Stegen (Lenglet is on loan at Tottenham Hotspur) but it is unknown if they have also received communication of a legal nature.
De Jong’s preference is to stay with the 26-time La Liga champions but if a departure does end up materialising, he is said not to have made a decision so far on the team he would like to join.
Chelsea have a firm interest and while it is understood they are yet to submit a formal bid, sources indicate they are prepared to fund the transfer fee and cover the salary debt should De Jong pick a switch to Stamford Bridge. They have an advantage over United in playing Champions League football this season, although it is thought that alone will not determine his potential destination.
Despite their predicament, Barcelona have recruited heavily this summer; Franck Kessie, Andreas Christensen, Raphinha, Robert Lewandowski and Jules Kounde are the most notable acquisitions. Barcelona declined to comment and HCM Sports Management, who look after De Jong, were approached for comment.
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So are people finally going to admit that FDJ clearly simply intended to stay at Barcelona and take the massive wage he was contractually due all along or are people going to remain in denial?
I actually really don't want us to sign him now just to see what happens to those idiots if the cant unload the wages.
Added the full article in case anyone wanted to read it without the paywall.
Crazy situation.
Goodness me, that Club really lacks class. What a disgrace!
I'm not sure that's the right take on this.
FdJ is countering Barcelona's legal move by sticking to his contract until they give in on the deferred wages. Assuming there's no case to answer about 'criminality', he only needs to call the club's bluff. After that, they can part ways and end the drama.
But if the contract is indeed 'criminal', there's no reason for him to stay anyway because the £17m will vanish into thin air.
This is all on Barca. Nothing to suggest FdJ is doing this in order to stay in Spain. In fact, it looks like both parties have burnt all their bridges. At this point, De Jong can only ever go back to Barcelona as a Bale-esque pariah. Leaving is only sensible alternative left to him. He'd be mad to stay at a club that have treated him so poorly.
Wow, just wow. They are really implying legal ramifications against FdJ for signing a contract. Silver lining is Ornstein is reporting FdJ hasn't decided on his next club yet if he leaves.
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