If they've found traces of plastic in his blood using this new method, then the fact he's guilty of blood doping is indeed beyond reasonable doubt. That much isn't really up for debate.
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If the new test isn't approved, whose to say it's accurate? You can't make the rules as you go along.
No one is contesting it's accuracy, quite the opposite. I've seen several experts wholeheartedly championing it as an important break through in the war on doping. It's simply a matter of bureaucracy at this point.
'You can't make the rules up as you go along'...? I'm not even sure what you mean by that, mate. The rules are unchanged. If you play by them you've got nothing to worry about.
'You can't make the rules up as you go along'...? I'm not even sure what you mean by that, mate. The rules are unchanged. If you play by them you've got nothing to worry about.
Approving tests as evidence when you know the results you plan to use were done when that test was still unofficial, is not much different than changing the rules. I'm not saying any official would be thinking it, but it could look as if the test was approved once they knew it could be used as evidence against Contador.
Yes, it very much is.
We'll have to agree to disagree, then.
So anyone got any new news on the Contador situation?
A guy from the WADA has leaked this about the 2nd positive test. Apparently it was taken a day before the 1st positive test (clunbuterol). Apperently in this, so far uncofirmed, 2nd positive test they found 8x the permitted amount of blood softner, which would almost certainly mean blood doping.
Seems liked Contador fecked up his blood doping…
Rasmus Damsgaard, doping expert an ex-doctor at the Saxo Bank teams, says that the first test is most probably to do with a blood infusion. He suspects Contador took doping months leading to the TdF. During the TdF he injected himself (blood doping) with the doped blood.
Anyway, things aren’t looking good for Contador.
There is also a clear corruption problem in Spainish sports.
It’s about time that the UCI starts taking action against the Spanish. They should do something to force the Spanish government to take action.
They should just stop testing and let them do whatever they want in cycling. It is so rampant, no one can be trusted.
*I realize others might have already said this in the previous 9 pages.
*I realize others might have already said this in the previous 9 pages.
Yep, has been said before but the problem with this is that this will force others who don't want to use it to use it. What do you do if you want to compete with no enhancers, doping etc? Just accept that you'll never win?
Isn't that what the current lot of non-cheaters is doing? Accepting that they won't win.
There seems to be a do-whatever-you-want-just-don't-get-caught policy in certain federations and it's slowly killing the sport. feck this 2 year ban shite, chuck the feckers out for life.
That's the worst thing you can do
You fight to keep the sport clean. You ban those guilty for life. You stop making it worth their while
For me its a criminal offence, you're defrauding the sport and the public
But do we the public even know when we last had a clean winner of the Tour?
I used to think Lance Armstrong was an amazing man...now I can't decide if all the talk is, jealousy, idle chatter, or stuff with substance.
Well, innocent until proven guilty and Lance has not been found guilty. To that extent you have to say that he was clean. Anything beyond that is pure speculation. Furthermore, I don't think Contador has been cheating all along. If anyone recalls, it was said that Contador's form was poor going into this year's tour. So I think it could very well be that when off form, these guys go for the doping/drug options to keep them in the running. If Contador cheated all this time then the last honest winner was Carlo Sastre.
Contador has been under heavy suspicion ever since Operación Puerto. No way in hell he's a doping novice.
Nah, he's still a cheating feck man - like all the rest of them
Have to laugh at Nicholas Roche - son of Stephen Roche, slagging off drug-cheats in cycling. His da was plagued by allegations of drug use - the cheating feck: Stephen Roche - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The only thing clean about Contador is his syringe!
The fact of the matter is that athletes are never on performance-enhancing / recover drugs all the time anyway. My mate who's a 3-time World Champion Power-lifter is juiced up to his eyes during the training process & is an enclyclopedia regarding taking performance-enhancers / masking drugs / recovery drugs such as steriods - the whole lot. He's read nearly every book on the subject & maintains that in cycling the top-20 atleast, are all on something - mostly EPO.
He also maintains that the drug-users are the better riders anyway & would always rise to the top. I dont agree with that. Just look at the irish swimmer Michele Smith - she moved up the rankings miraculously in the year leading up to the Atlanta Olympic games in 1996. She was feck all til she dabbled with Androstenedione - a bodybuilding drug!
Swimming / Athletics & Cycling etc are riddled with cheats...
You'd never hear of a Dart player messing with that shit because they're - real athletes
Nowadays they do have out of competition testing. The cyclist has to provide their wereabouts every single day of the year. Somebody like Contador will be tested out of competition 20-30 x a year.
It is such a complex situation. There are false positives. It does happen. That throws a monkey wrench into the solution I would they rather adopt.
Either you allow everything, or you have a one and done rule. If you dope once and are caught you are suspended for life. That would be optimal, except for the possibility of a false positive. Basically it sucks.
Either you allow everything, or you have a one and done rule. If you dope once and are caught you are suspended for life. That would be optimal, except for the possibility of a false positive. Basically it sucks.