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Is it possible their mental issues have rubbed off on their builders?
Give Fergie their current side and put them in a red kit and that side would win the league.
It’s just excuses. They have the best striker in the league, top class 10 and mid is solid in general .. well balanced defence and keeper.
It’s all there for them. They just can’t take the final step because of mental and tactical issues.
Of course spurs are bottlers. Can’t believe some are saying it’s a player thing - why on earth do players like Modric and Carrick go elsewhere and become uber successful then?
The extent of their bottling is mad over the last 10-15 years:
2006 – Went into the last day in the CL position and finished it outside after losing to West Ham having spent weeks in the top 4
2009 – Lose League Cup final on penalties
2010 – Lose an FA Cup Semi-final to an already relegated Portsmouth team
2012 – Squander a 2-0 lead at Arsenal to lose 5-2, then somehow find themselves below them in the league. Then draw to Aston Villa in their final away game after Arsenal had missed their chance and then finished behind them on the final day.
2013 – Throw away a 10 point lead over Arsenal in the last couple of months of the season
2015 – Lose the league cup final
2016 – Finish third in a two-horse title race
2017 – Lose the Fa Cup semi-final. Lose to West Ham as soon as they get within reach of the leaders (Chelsea)
2018 – Lose the Fa Cup semi-final.
The extent of their bottling is mad over the last 10-15 years:
2006 – Went into the last day in the CL position and finished it outside after losing to West Ham having spent weeks in the top 4
2009 – Lose League Cup final on penalties
2010 – Lose an FA Cup Semi-final to an already relegated Portsmouth team
2012 – Squander a 2-0 lead at Arsenal to lose 5-2, then somehow find themselves below them in the league. Then draw to Aston Villa in their final away game after Arsenal had missed their chance and then finished behind them on the final day.
2013 – Throw away a 10 point lead over Arsenal in the last couple of months of the season
2015 – Lose the league cup final
2016 – Finish third in a two-horse title race
2017 – Lose the Fa Cup semi-final. Lose to West Ham as soon as they get within reach of the leaders (Chelsea)
2018 – Lose the Fa Cup semi-final.
Even if this was true it's almost entirely irrelevant since you're talking about arguably the best manager in football history.
'Mid is solid in general' = not one remotely top class central midfielder at the club, neither Sissoko or Winks start for any of the other top six sides.
'Well balanced defence' = we have great central defenders but terrible fullbacks and if you think Lloris is 'well balanced' you need to start watching him play more often.
We can't take the final step because of a lack of investment which pretty much everyone recognised in the summer but now seems to have gone back on. We needed players, we didn't get them and then we lost Dembele and still didn't bring anybody in. This whole 'best striker in the league, top class 10' thing is such ludicrous cherry picking when you can say the same about all our rivals.
United = best cm in the league, best keeper in the league and solid in every area.
Chelsea = best wide player in the league, one of the best cms in the world, everywhere but CF have excellent depth
City = arguably best striker in the league, about a million world class attacking midfielders, insane strength in depth from top to bottom including bench players who cost 60m .. need I say more?
Liverpool = Arguably the best player in the league in Salah, best cb in the league in van djik, best lb in the league in robertson, weakest area is central midfield and wijnaldum, keita, fabinho, henderson etc still pisses over our options
This sudden overrating of our squad just so people can shit on Pochettino is fantastic. We do have a good team, one very capable of competing with the rest, but we also have some real weaknesses we need to address (Just like Liverpool did this summer) but simply won't, so we're forced to adapt to that. Right now we're a top 4 level squad, anybody genuinely looking at our current team and saying we should be competing with Liverpool/City is on a different planet.
Give Fergie their current side and put them in a red kit and that side would win the league.
It’s just excuses. They have the best striker in the league, top class 10 and mid is solid in general .. well balanced defence and keeper.
It’s all there for them. They just can’t take the final step because of mental and tactical issues.
I feel like they are over-achieving in the league but they do need to step up and win something to stop such accusations. I find it remarkable that they don't place more emphasis on winning cups (or maybe they do and just use excuses when they go out) but I feel they are a bit unlucky when you have teams like Man City practically getting byes to finals and playing teams full of world class players so even if they were to get to the final it would be very tricky. Obviously they have fallen at the semi-final stage of the FA Cup and the League Cup in the last 2 seasons which are viewed as failures rather than progress, which is up for debate but they need to keep getting to semi-finals and overcome this hurdle.
To be fair, over the same period, they did beat Chelsea in the 2008 League Cup final and they managed to qualify for the CL in 2009/10 by beating direct rivals Man City away from home in the run-in. I suppose knocking out Milan in 2010/11 was a pretty good achievement as well.The extent of their bottling is mad over the last 10-15 years:
2006 – Went into the last day in the CL position and finished it outside after losing to West Ham having spent weeks in the top 4
2009 – Lose League Cup final on penalties
2010 – Lose an FA Cup Semi-final to an already relegated Portsmouth team
2012 – Squander a 2-0 lead at Arsenal to lose 5-2, then somehow find themselves below them in the league. Then draw to Aston Villa in their final away game after Arsenal had missed their chance and then finished behind them on the final day.
2013 – Throw away a 10 point lead over Arsenal in the last couple of months of the season
2015 – Lose the league cup final
2016 – Finish third in a two-horse title race
2017 – Lose the Fa Cup semi-final. Lose to West Ham as soon as they get within reach of the leaders (Chelsea)
2018 – Lose the Fa Cup semi-final.
Even if this was true it's almost entirely irrelevant since you're talking about arguably the best manager in football history.
'Mid is solid in general' = not one remotely top class central midfielder at the club, neither Sissoko or Winks start for any of the other top six sides.
'Well balanced defence' = we have great central defenders but terrible fullbacks and if you think Lloris is 'well balanced' you need to start watching him play more often.
We can't take the final step because of a lack of investment which pretty much everyone recognised in the summer but now seems to have gone back on. We needed players, we didn't get them and then we lost Dembele and still didn't bring anybody in. This whole 'best striker in the league, top class 10' thing is such ludicrous cherry picking when you can say the same about all our rivals.
United = best cm in the league, best keeper in the league and solid in every area.
Chelsea = best wide player in the league, one of the best cms in the world, everywhere but CF have excellent depth
City = arguably best striker in the league, about a million world class attacking midfielders, insane strength in depth from top to bottom including bench players who cost 60m .. need I say more?
Liverpool = Arguably the best player in the league in Salah, best cb in the league in van djik, best lb in the league in robertson, weakest area is central midfield and wijnaldum, keita, fabinho, henderson etc still pisses over our options
This sudden overrating of our squad just so people can shit on Pochettino is fantastic. We do have a good team, one very capable of competing with the rest, but we also have some real weaknesses we need to address (Just like Liverpool did this summer) but simply won't, so we're forced to adapt to that. Right now we're a top 4 level squad, anybody genuinely looking at our current team and saying we should be competing with Liverpool/City is on a different planet.
They have the poorest squad out of the top six (tbf better than arsenal) They’re overacheiving not bottling anything.
Winks is a good player and Moussa Dembele was also an excellent player albeit past it now. Dier and Wanayama are not top class but they’re solid enough against most opposition.
You control enough of the game against a range of opponents to prove that midfield isn’t really a problem area for you lot albeit it is on paper your weakest area (but the way you play protects this area as you don’t give away the ball much) and not to mention you have Eriksen and Delle who are two of the best attacking mids in the league and help that midfield to ping the ball around with ease.
Terrible full backs? Trippier is England’s number one to the point Walker had to go as a RCB and Davies/Rose are hardly a downgrade to Delph. Yes they’re not in the class of a Robertson but when Tripper and Rose are fit - deffo good enough to win a League cup and FA Cup.
Lloris isn’t the keeper he once was but he’s a World Cup winner and yet he’s spineless. His mental frailties even for the NT can probably he attributed to his long tenure at Spurs.
Your review of the other sides is laughable ... United are suddenly solid in every area - based on your words, we should be winning the treble with the current squad.
Hendo part of a contingent which pisses on your midfield conveniently forgetting that Attacking mids are also part of a midfield unit and you guys have two of the best attacking mids in Europe.
Haven’t even discussed Kane yet but I find the fact that you seem to think you have such a weak side and that you’re overperforming a typical Spurs mentality.
United fans even with a average squad - we always demand more and think we are underperforming but Spurs fans have a great team yet think they’ve done well just to compete. With that mentality even if you got given a billion pound transfer kitty - you’re not gonna win anything of note soon.
Spurs are my favourite side from the London region so if we aren’t playing well I wouldn’t mind seeing them do well so it’s not like I enjoy criticising you lot but you guys have basically pissed away a golden period to win some silverware.
To be fair, over the same period, they did beat Chelsea in the 2008 League Cup final and they managed to qualify for the CL in 2009/10 by beating direct rivals Man City away from home in the run-in. I suppose knocking out Milan in 2010/11 was a pretty good achievement as well.
Cant think in my mind why Poch would rush harry Kane back so soon. I mean did you guys see the fuss they made when he came back ? it was like a musical welcome back Kane this that and the other, ultimately the fact they rushed him and put Son out of position has lead to two defeats in a row.
I mean i grow more and more certain Poch is not our answer specially alone for the comment of trophies bring egos that is alarm bells i don't care if Levy is squeezing the purse-strings .
No it hasn't.
well not entirely Kanes fault for the two losses but trying to force him in and change son out of position has resulted in two losses out of two where as they were doing fine while kane was out injured .
They need to beat Arsenal at all costs, that's all I know. Else they go from title contenders to getting pulled into the race for top 4 in the space of a week.
Spurs won the league cup in 2008. Wigan won the FA cup. Portsmouth won the FA cup. Birmingham won the league cup. Arsenal finally broke their trophy drought by winning the FA cup.Success breeds success. Winning one of the cups would be big for them, plenty of examples of teams establishing themselves and being able to compete at the very top after winning a cup competition. They can’t afford to have this team get torn apart without a trophy to show for it.
I believe Kane and Pochettino will stay for a long time though so they’ll be fine.
Spurs won the league cup in 2008. Wigan won the FA cup. Portsmouth won the FA cup. Birmingham won the league cup. Arsenal finally broke their trophy drought by winning the FA cup.
None of them lead to competing at the very top.
Leicester didn't need any cup win prior to them to pulling off a miracle by winning the league.
This "taste for trophies" bollocks has no basis in reality.
Spurs won the league cup in 2008. Wigan won the FA cup. Portsmouth won the FA cup. Birmingham won the league cup. Arsenal finally broke their trophy drought by winning the FA cup.
None of them lead to competing at the very top.
Leicester didn't need any cup win prior to them to pulling off a miracle by winning the league.
This "taste for trophies" bollocks has no basis in reality.
Of course spurs are bottlers. Can’t believe some are saying it’s a player thing - why on earth do players like Modric and Carrick go elsewhere and become uber successful then? Can hardly call it a resource thing either because smaller teams than them in terms of budget win trophies and once you’ve built a great team in terms of quality what you’ve spent to get there means feck all as you’re now in a position quality wise to win something.
You can only use that excuse to some extent when you’re struggling to build a good team in the first place.
Spurs have overcome the odds to build a top class side but what is letting them down now is not financial restrictions but that ability to keep your head under extreme pressure and produce your best when the heat is on. So yes .. they’re bottlers.
Spurs won the league cup in 2008. Wigan won the FA cup. Portsmouth won the FA cup. Birmingham won the league cup. Arsenal finally broke their trophy drought by winning the FA cup.
None of them lead to competing at the very top.
Leicester didn't need any cup win prior to them to pulling off a miracle by winning the league.
This "taste for trophies" bollocks has no basis in reality.
We'll do what we want. IT MAKES US FEEL BETTER!They played Chelsea at home which is a tough game by any standard. They go on to lose which isn’t SURPRISING and like clockwork we get threads labeling them bottlers? Don’t you guys ever get tired of it? Are we really expecting a team who added no player the past two transfer window to win every game and lift the title come end of the season? Make it make sense please?
Give Fergie their current side and put them in a red kit and that side would win the league.
It’s just excuses. They have the best striker in the league, top class 10 and mid is solid in general .. well balanced defence and keeper.
It’s all there for them. They just can’t take the final step because of mental and tactical issues.
Spurs won the league cup in 2008. Wigan won the FA cup. Portsmouth won the FA cup. Birmingham won the league cup. Arsenal finally broke their trophy drought by winning the FA cup.
None of them lead to competing at the very top.
Leicester didn't need any cup win prior to them to pulling off a miracle by winning the league.
This "taste for trophies" bollocks has no basis in reality.
Hand on heart i expect you to finish 3rd. Your squad and your ehm... genious manager is 3rd spot material, and record wise you have proven you can achieve that and had achieved that. That's your par. You didnt sell anyone important although you didnt get anyone in as well. We only bought fred. Chelsea didnt bought much. Ditto city. Arsenal lost Wenger while chelsea implodes with sarri.
So unless you finish 1st or 2nd or win a cup pochetinno this year is just par.
Tottenham lack ambition.
From their board all the way down to their fans. They set out every year with top 4 as the ultimate prize. Achieving top four is their holy grail. Levy is unwilling (or unable) to invest more into the squad as long as they achieve top four. Their manager comes out and says things like "trophies are for egos" and "we need ten more years to compete". Compare that to OGS: "we are Manchester United and we want to win trophies". That is ambition and that filters down to the players and ultimately affects on field performance.
There may be 5 teams in the league with more resources than Tottenham but their are 19 teams with more desire to win trophies