Tom Heaton

bsCallout said:
"Neither are good enough anymore" Hendersons only 24.
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In de geas case its anymore, in Hendersons case it's just not good enough. He doesn't really have any attribute that he excels in. He's an average shot stopper, he's relatively weak in the air with high balls, he's average with the ball at his feet and he's not very good at dealing with 1v1's. He's just "small" in net. Unless you are an other worldly shot stopper like peak De Gea was, you aren't really gonna cut it as a goalkeeper at a top club with his size.
 
bosnian_red said:
In de geas case its anymore, in Hendersons case it's just not good enough. He doesn't really have any attribute that he excels in. He's an average shot stopper, he's relatively weak in the air with high balls, he's average with the ball at his feet and he's not very good at dealing with 1v1's. He's just "small" in net. Unless you are an other worldly shot stopper like peak De Gea was, you aren't really gonna cut it as a goalkeeper at a top club with his size.
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Apparently Ederson is the same height. I guess you'd put him in the other worldly shot stopper cat? P.s. Im not convinced Henderson is good enough, I'm just not writing off a 24 GK yet.
 
bsCallout said:
Apparently Ederson is the same height. I guess you'd put him in the other worldly shot stopper cat? P.s. Im not convinced Henderson is good enough, I'm just not writing off a 24 GK yet.
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Ederson is exceptional with the ball at his feet and is probably a better shot stopper than Henderson, but I don't think Ederson is anything special anyway. If he didn't have his on the ball ability, he wouldn't be anywhere near a big club. Henderson doesn't have that exceptional on the ball ability... So no exceptional attributes, average at best in most things. He's just a random mid table goalkeeper IMO. Joe Hart at least had a period where he was a very good shot stopper while being mediocre in other things. I just don't see what above average attribute Henderson brings that any standard goalkeeper wouldn't? It's not that I'm harshly writing him off, it's that he hasn't shown anything specific to make him look like he could be a top goalkeeper. De Gea as a teenager was touted to be Casillas' future replacement for Spain. He showed his exceptional shot stopping and reflexes (and his foot saves) from the start. Took a bit of time to refine the consistency, but the talent was always there.

At United and pretty much any big club, if you aren't a top 10 in the world goalkeeper, you are a replaceable goalkeeper or a stop gap at best. Such is the life in that position. You don't get rotated, you don't get rested. Big clubs will take the best goalkeepers and keep looking until they settle on one.
 
bosnian_red said:
In de geas case its anymore, in Hendersons case it's just not good enough. He doesn't really have any attribute that he excels in. He's an average shot stopper, he's relatively weak in the air with high balls, he's average with the ball at his feet and he's not very good at dealing with 1v1's. He's just "small" in net. Unless you are an other worldly shot stopper like peak De Gea was, you aren't really gonna cut it as a goalkeeper at a top club with his size.
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I am tending to agree with you about Henderson but would you have a goalkeeper who is gettable in mind to replace him? Assuming De Gea doesn't continue his great form of course.
 
CG1010 said:
I am tending to agree with you about Henderson but would you have a goalkeeper who is gettable in mind to replace him? Assuming De Gea doesn't continue his great form of course.
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Donnarumma is the obvious one if he doesn't go to Juve. Otherwise Onana is still with Ajax right? Has he progressed?
 
bosnian_red said:
Donnarumma is the obvious one if he doesn't go to Juve. Otherwise Onana is still with Ajax right? Has he progressed?
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Onana's currently suspended for a year since February 2021 for doping violations, so he's ruled out.

Back on topic: Heaton's most likely come on to be our 3rd keeper or an emergency 2nd keeper if we sell one of de Gea or Henderson and don't have the funds to get a new keeper.
 
Tom Heaton could probably play for a Premier League club as a starter, I get it from our side, but not his.

But I suppose there are tons of keepers who are happy to be part of a squad rather than play..
 
He’d be the best third choice in the league. Can’t complain.
 
not sure how people could complain about this, he'll make a fine 2nd/3rd choice keeper and there's no risk. It's also kind of cool to see him go full circle and end his career where it started.
 
NotoriousISSY said:
Tom Heaton could probably play for a Premier League club as a starter, I get it from our side, but not his.

But I suppose there are tons of keepers who are happy to be part of a squad rather than play..
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35 year old boyhood United fan who came through our youth team and coming back to finish his career here and make an appearance for the club before he retired (plus generally a solid pay), makes a lot of sense for both.
 
NotoriousISSY said:
Tom Heaton could probably play for a Premier League club as a starter, I get it from our side, but not his.

But I suppose there are tons of keepers who are happy to be part of a squad rather than play..
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I suspect DDG is off this summer, as an experienced player like Heaton, still capable of playing at this level, probably makes more sense as the backup to a younger player like Henderson than it would to DDG. I also suspect that Heaton will fancy his chances to hold onto the shirt if Henderson drops his level at all. He’ll see himself playing games.
 
Be a replacement for Romero and Grant which is just smart. Also he would be a incredible 3rd choice if ever called upon
 
Good ol’ Beverly Hills Cop making his return. The heat is on.
 
Heaton's a good choice for backup, certainly better than relying on Lee Grant. Still no idea why we didn't sell Romero to Everton last season only to never play him again and just let his contract run down.
 
Dazzmondo said:
Heaton's a good choice for backup, certainly better than relying on Lee Grant. Still no idea why we didn't sell Romero to Everton last season only to never play him again and just let his contract run down.
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We didn't want him going to a rival club then if reports are true he went home as he was annoyed, don't think he's been back since
 
Dazzmondo said:
Heaton's a good choice for backup, certainly better than relying on Lee Grant. Still no idea why we didn't sell Romero to Everton last season only to never play him again and just let his contract run down.
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Disgusting the way we treated Romero. He was our best number 2. We tried to get too much money from Everton. It fell through and we just let him rot
 
golden_blunder said:
The logic is we have Romero and Grant leaving and needed an experienced keeper. Nothing to do with DDG or Henderson
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I guess there is an advantage to having a fairly local lad the third choice keeper(if he is 3rd choice), foreign keepers i don't imagine are happy being away from family just sitting on the bench or training.
 
I'm happy to see Tom Heaton return. He's a brilliant keeper, who has turned in some frustratingly top performances against us for Burnley. He will be an excellent experienced back up goalie for us.
 
charlenefan said:
It's quite possible he'll be our number 2 next season, not complaining just saying
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Who is going to possibly pay De Gea the same wage we are paying him and Utd is Hendo's dream club so neither are going anywhere
 
Bondi77 said:
Who is going to possibly pay De Gea the same wage we are paying him and Utd is Hendo's dream club so neither are going anywhere
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If I were PSG I would. They basically have a top team but what they need is a hero GK to save their ass once or twice a season in a crunch game. De Gea could be the difference between another SF loss and a win next year. If they were smart they would.
 
Bondi77 said:
Who is going to possibly pay De Gea the same wage we are paying him and Utd is Hendo's dream club so neither are going anywhere
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Henderson has made it abundantly clear he won't stay here if he's not guaranteed the number 1 shirt and as for De Gea as I've said countless times it'll end up being a loan move with us paying the majority of his wage like we did with Sanchez
 
I think the club have protected themselves in case they get a good offer for DDG, especially if it comes later in the transfer window. Heaton is absolutely fine as a number two. It won’t be the same situation as now, where second choice is playing in European games.
 
Dan_F said:
I think the club have protected themselves in case they get a good offer for DDG, especially if it comes later in the transfer window. Heaton is absolutely fine as a number two. It won’t be the same situation as now, where second choice is playing in European games.
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Yep this is a good point, everyone seems conditioned now that the number 2 plays a lot of games based really on the fact we've spent so many seasons in the EL. Back in the day the only time you'd ever see your number 2 at United was in the case of an injury or a league cup tie. The number 1 used to play all the PL, UCL and most of the FA Cup games
 
Ole's screen said:
If I were PSG I would. They basically have a top team but what they need is a hero GK to save their ass once or twice a season in a crunch game. De Gea could be the difference between another SF loss and a win next year. If they were smart they would.
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Or he makes one of his blunders and he is the difference
 
charlenefan said:
Henderson has made it abundantly clear he won't stay here if he's not guaranteed the number 1 shirt and as for De Gea as I've said countless times it'll end up being a loan move with us paying the majority of his wage like we did with Sanchez
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What is the point if we are paying the majority of his wage?
We are either going to sell him or not and it will be his call
 
The thousand dollar question is whether he replaces Romero and Grant who both will be released or if he is the new no 2 as one of Dean / DDG will leave. I can’t see us trusting Dean enough at this point so if it’s the latter scenario, it must mean we are keeping DDG and selling Dean. But I think it’s more likely scenario 1
 
He is the number 3 with Romero and Grant leaving. Has nothing to do with DDG as much as some want him out.
 
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