If Cleverley stays we have to support him. I don't want a suicide on our hands.
Tom Cleverley | 2014/15 Performances (on loan at Aston Villa)
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I think that may be the case for younger players, not for someone in the mid 20s though.
Doesn't he want to get back into the England squad? What a fecking lack of ambition it would be to sit on the bench for a year.
Foreign club, do you honestly see a decent La Liga/Serie A side taking a punt on an average English player who has fallen into disuse and pay him anything close to what he is demanding now ? I don't and after this stunt I doubt if he will see any football at all here for the remainder of his stay.
G'wan Tommy boy, get the feck out.
Another year without football won't make any more appealing than he's now, footballers have a short career there's no need to waste anymore of it.
What makes you think he can't sign a pre-contract agreement with a club in England?
He is never going to make it here, with the exception of 2 or 3 teams he is no better than any of the starting midfield players at any premier league club, LVG knows it and the sooner cleverley accepts that the better. For the sake of his career he should leave and go and play some football rather than spend a year watching from the stands, he had his chance but he wasn't good enough. The idea he would thrive under LVG was always flawed because as soon as LVG strengthened the midfield Cleverley was finished, if you spend three years unable to hold down a place in the worst utd midfield for decades then the writing is on the wall.
Very pertinent. Even with An injury prone and unfit Anderson a physically recuperating Fletcher and a misfit like Fellaini for competition, he did not get even close to differentiating himself.
No, I don't think that's right.
A foreign club can offer players based in England a contract 6 months before their current deal ends. As an English club however, you cannot offer home based players a deal until 1 month before the end of their current deal.
Excellent summary of the situation.
If he doesn't leave then i don't see why that should automatically mean....he can rot in the reserves!!! I'm sure LVG doesn't have the same hate towards Cleverly as some on here, and realistically all that will happen is Cleverly continues to train and be ready to cover for injuries if needed.
Where are you getting that from?
The Bosman rules state: "With six months or less remaining on an existing contract for players aged 23 or older, they are free to negotiate with other clubs and sign a pre-contract agreement, indicating their ability to move to their intended club on a Bosman transfer once the next transfer window opens."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_transfer_(association_football)
There was no issue with Lewandowski signing a pre contract agreement with Bayern from Dortmund when he had 6 months left on his contract and I can't see how it would be legal for the rules to be different in England.
I can see your points but I really can't see how he thinks he can salvage a career at United. I'm all for ambition but the guy has just regressed really, he doesn't show any quality to be a Man Utd player and whilst he probably has confidence in his ability he must kind of know it himself.
His wife might of just had a kid but it's not like it'd be moving abroad. Bare in mind most days he'll be finished work by the early afternoon it's not a far drive, probably only 2 hours at most. It's not like he's being shipped off to Russia. I'm sure he can afford the petrol and find the time to do it. I agree that it's not nice to be told you're not wanted as well but that's life unfortunately. I'm sure he was made aware of it a few weeks/months ago rather than this afternoon or something so he must of had time to prepare for knowing this way going to come.
He was coming out in the press at the start of the season saying he wants to improve, get back in England set up etc and that's good ambition to have, by lingering around United like a bad smell not getting games he's not going to do that. He's just wasting a year of his career really and that's not beneficial to himself, United or any future clubs.
My only knowledge of that is Football Manager, so it probably iosn't accurate, but on that if you were a Premier League team you could only sign other premier league players on a free with 3 months or less left on their deal. It didn't apply in other leagues just the Prem so don't know if it's something to do with our league.
He's right though.
To be fair most clubs who are interested in him are probably content to wait until he's free. I'm thinking Everton mainly – and he'll probably want to wait for Martinez too.
Where are you geting that info from? I'm happy to be educated!
Maybe, but with no European games (or Carling Cup), there is no need for rotation and Herrera, Di Maria, Blind, Fletcher and Carrick (when fit) will all be ahead in the pecking order as well as any further midfield signing today and, apparently, Strootmann from January. Fellaini would also probably be ahead of him as well, and maybe even Ando. In other words, his chances of a starting berth are nil and he'll do very well to even get on the bench.
I'm pretty sure the rule applies only in England. I was on another forum and was confused as to why you could only get home based players on a pre contract in May in Football Manager and whether it was an actual rule in real life. Everyone on the board seemed to be pretty much in agreement it was in fact a rule and only enforced in England. I'd also trust FM as they are generally pretty much spot on with these things.
Also, what's the precedent on it? I've certainly never heard of a EPL player joining another EPL team on a pre contract in January.
Personally I saw it on Football Manager. You can laugh.
He wouldn't necessarily rot in the reserves but he would need 2-3 injuries just to have a chance of sitting on the bench and if he isn't in LVG's long term plans he might even prefer to give opportunities to some of the youngsters. For a player who has regressed and is low on confidence the worst thing for his career would be to spend a year not playing any football.
A computer game? Yeah, I think I'll allow myself a 
at that.
at that.FM doesn't get things like that wrong...especially for major leagues.A computer game? Yeah, I think I'll allow myself a
And even SAF often preferred to play jones, giggs and scholes instead of him, he got three years and 60-70 games to show what he could do and he failed. Our academy will produce better players who will not get as many opportunities, he hasn't been hard done by and the best thing for him is to move on.
Come on Brucie.
A computer game? Yeah, I think I'll allow myself a
Or not considering it's right.
It's an FA rule, other leagues follow the standard bosman ruling of it being 6 months before the end of the contract when any club can approach a player and sign a pre-contract agreement with them.
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You've quoted a rule about players signing contract extensions at their existing clubs.
The second part, it's about securing employment elsewhere in that time scale. They're shit loads of articles on it but unless you fancy reading pages and pages of shite they're not much use, apparently it was introduced as a means to help lower clubs keep hold of players more than anything, dunno how it'd make much of a difference though.
What would be the point of that? I'd rather see him in the stands.
Maybe he could get some time at left wing since that's his real position. He's never been a CM, imho.
So, is he gone yet?
Just leave seriously.
Just go tom..GO.
You could play him anywhere on the pitch and he'd just pass the ball to whoever was standing closest to him so it wouldn't matter.
I still remember his performance when we beat Arsenal 8-2. Outstanding. I championed him as a player for ages after that. Unfortunately he strikes me as being very flakey confidence wise. Wont try a forward pass in case he gets booed and wont put a tackle in case he gets skinned
I think its a shame he didnt go to Valencia. Couldve been Englands gain. We need our players to gain experience over-seas, and it just doesnt happen any more. I'd have preferred a loan abroad with a view to buy option (so we could nick him back "if" he regained his form)
I think its a shame he didnt go to Valencia. Couldve been Englands gain. We need our players to gain experience over-seas, and it just doesnt happen any more. I'd have preferred a loan abroad with a view to buy option (so we could nick him back "if" he regained his form)
I knew it, knew he'd sabotage this deal. Complete shyster.
Unless he's prepared to take a wage cut he's going nowhere, apparently Everton are interested as well but can't afford his wage.
Or 'Arry.
Is he definitely being asked to accept a wage cut? I thought he wasn't on much at United?
Just had a quick look and apparently the delay is because he's asking for 60k which no one on their right mind would pay him. He isn't on 60k here.
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