Agreed, aside from I'd put Fletcher at his best in tier 3.
Tom Cleverley | 2012-14 Performances
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Agreed, aside from I'd put Fletcher at his best in tier 3.
Can't believe liam miller didn't get a mention
Lampard at his best walks into the 2nd tier. Good list though.
I might regret posting this, but does Iniesta deserve to be in the first tier, given his relatively small output?
Where do the following midfielders rank?
Keano
Viera
Makalele
Robson
Ince
Davids
Seedorf
Keano
Viera
Makalele
Robson
Ince
Davids
Seedorf
Yeah there are clearly gradations within each tier. I'd say Scholes and Pirlo are well down the bottom of tier 1, with the likes of Zidane at the top.
box-to-box
Keano - 1
Viera - 2
Makalele - 2
Robson - 1
Ince - 3
Davids - 2
Seedorf - 2
Doesnt wearing swimming goggles put you up a tier?
Agree with those tiers.
tiers of a clown 
Scholes is definitely in the top tier. As you can tell by how highly the other players on that list talk about him in interviews.
I might sneak someone like Song into tier 3 to be fair. He's much better on the ball than the others listed there, and not really any worse at doing the run around fouling people like a slightly pointless maniac thing, which seems to be tier 4's speciality.
Also, Modric would have his own tier, simply called "Modric". It'd be floating somewhere just above tier 1, not really doing anything that useful actually.
Also, Modric would have his own tier, simply called "Modric". It'd be floating somewhere just above tier 1, not really doing anything that useful actually.
The tiers shows how we lack quality. Ours CM's are in in 3rd and 4th tier. I'd say Cleverley and Anderson are in the 4th tier, with potential to reach the 3rd tier. Scholes is no longer in the first tier either. Where as every other area of the team we have at least 1 player in the top 2 tier apart from CM.
This raises an interesting philosophical point, which is that the more tiers you create, the closer you come to where you first started: a system with a tier for every player is identical to one with no tiers at all.
It's possible that Wittgenstein or someone has noticed this, but otherwise we may be in line for a Nobel prize here noods.
"Modric"
At Cleverley has potential to reach Tier 2.
I can't even be bothered to comment on Anderson, the same dicks will be in here with the same old tired comments about his weight and laziness. I think all has been said on both sides of opinion and we should just wait and see now.
I would say that Carrick is in the second tier. He has been playing superbly for the past few seasons, and is at least on par with Xabi Alonso. It's not fair to have "Gerrard at his best" or "Essien at his best" in the 2nd tier when Carrick is at his best week in week out. Perhaps an average Carrick would be in 3rd tier, but if other players "at their best" are in the 2nd tier then a currently in-form Carrick surely has to be up there as well.
To be fair, Xabi Alonso is a superior player to Carrick in every aspect of his game really. Red tinted glasses aside, Alonso in 2nd tier and Carrick in 3rd tier definitely makes sense.
Carrick isn't in the same league as the Tier 2 players though, Alonso, Fabregas, Yaya Toure, Schweinsteiger, Sneijder, Gerrard, Essien, Viera, Makalele, Seedorf and Davids were/are all superior players.
Tier 3 is definitely his limit.
Tier 3 is definitely his limit.
Carrick? As good as Alonso? fecking hell.
No wonder people say United fans are deluded.
Not a hint of red-tinted specs there eh Plech?
No he hasn't, and no he's not.
I dunno, I gave the lowest mark to a United player. Yes I gave two top tiers to them too, but they were Roy Keane and Bryan Robson, two of the best midfielders of their type of their generation!
I think the marks are spot on. There are definitely Tiers within the Tiers though.
For example Viera is closer to Tier 1 than Alonso etc.
For example Viera is closer to Tier 1 than Alonso etc.
If you go back and watch 08/09 and 09/10 then you can instantly identify what is/was missing this season. The amount of games I watched where I went 'wow Fletch really hussled there' or 'great defensive work from fletch releases Carrick great counter'.
He is what we miss. I don't know how well it is identified but he closed in midfield and worked box to box. I REALLY hope he comes back in that form but I seriously doubt that. Tom has enough combative physique and a smart brain to be that 'hustler' in midfield around Carrick.
Huge gamble with Carrick being our only fit pivoting DM style midfielder.
Fair I suppose. I'd certainly have Viera in that top tier as well, but its all subjective of course.
I would also have Seedorf in the top tier, absolutely brilliant player. Seems oddly underrated at times. Maybe he wasn't as appreciated, because he never played in England.
I think it's more down to the fact he was consistently outshone by his midfield partners, really. He was never the best midfielder in the team, always just a great lieutenant. I don't think you can say that about any of the other ones in the top tier.
There is some truth in what you say, however, I would still put him in the top tier without doubt. His individual honours, as well as club honours, speak for themselves. Absolutely quality player, just oozes class, and playing at the very top level for around 20 years, is some feat, indeed.
It's all subjective and personal opinion, of course.
Am I the only one who finds these 'tiers' utterly ridiculous?
What, you mean the concept of tiers? Or who is in which group?
Mainly the former, a little of the latter (people claiming Carrick is as good as Alonso and Schweinstiger).
You can't just have these three tiers to group the best midfielders in the world, let alone some of the best of all time.
You can't just have these three tiers to group the best midfielders in the world, let alone some of the best of all time.
Clearly not, given how many people have already been identified as on the borderline between tiers, and how much differentiation there is between two players in the same tier. In reality it is much more of a sliding scale. And even that is a simplification because players have different attributes, will be better players in different teams.
It serves a purpose though for showing quite clearly how much better Scholes is than Henderson.
It serves a purpose though for showing quite clearly how much better Scholes is than Henderson.
Yeah but I already know Scholes is much better than Henderson, I don't need a list of fecking tiers to tell me that.
Besides, you'd need an exponential amount of tiers for Henderson to actually be listed.
Besides, you'd need an exponential amount of tiers for Henderson to actually be listed.
Still makes me laugh that some people claimed on these boards that Henderson had done just as much as Cleverley to be in the England squad for the Euros. If there are tiers then Cleverley's performances put him quite clearly above Henderson.
Perhaps if there were snakes connecting each tier from the one above/below it, and players names could be placed on a part of the snake's body in relation to how far between the two tiers they are.
Also the tiers are circular, so if you slip too far down you re-appear at the top, explaining the £20m fee paid for Jordan Henderson, and Liverpool's subsequent attempts to play him out of position and make him even worse.
Is Scholes really better than Henderson, or is he just less worse than him?
Maybe we are just jealous. If we had Henderson we would see how unbelievably gifted he is.
Lucas Leiva is a better player than either van Bommel or Ambrosini.
Not sure what the point is in listing Essien any longer - by many medical accounts, he's done as a top level player. In truth, he never fulfilled his potential through a mixture of being played out of position and injuries.
Thats why it says "at their best".
did cleverly play today? how did he perform?
Been very good all tournament. Works well with Allen
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