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fecking blinding race. Loads of incident and excitement. The yank coverage was actually pretty good. Not as good as Murray Walker though. Is he still around??

I'd have posted this in the other sport forum, but there bugger-all people in there.
 
My mates and I are off to the indy gp next week. First time at a racetrack .. should be loud and fun.
 
best race of the season in terms in incident and entertainment value but a lot of bad driving,mistakes by the drivers
glad to see the pranching horse back in action
go schumi!
 
Was a good race, and am glad that kimi has pulled the 10 points he lost at the Nurburg Ring back. Really do not want crappy alonso to win the title.
 
vikram10 said:
My mates and I are off to the indy gp next week. First time at a racetrack .. should be loud and fun.
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Bad luck mate

;)
 
vikram10 said:
My mates and I are off to the indy gp next week. First time at a racetrack .. should be loud and fun.
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:lol: unlucky. Wat were the fans around you like? Bet your absoultely pissed off. How many cnuts were throwing stuff on the track.
 
Very bad luck,but if u are a ferrari fan then u will enjoy it as i m enjoying it now as my favourite is mikael schumacher
 
Grinner said:
Bastard mods!

Next race is the Indy. Should be a good one.
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Yep what a blinding race. Why cant the all be like this. fecking Ridiculous. It would have been better not to have a race.
 
miley,the rules are the rules,i just hope FIA change the stupid one tyre per race rule..shittest rule on earth
hail ferrari =)
it was quite a weird race
 
5 live made a good point. Ferrari were the main objectors to the idea of putting in an extra corner before turn 13. So why nopt race and those on Michelin score no points. BAR team principle said he would have accepted those terms, and the public would have got to see a race.

The people watching weren't told what was going on and a lot of the blame from the fans was wrongly laid at the feet of the teams. It wasn't their fault, it was michelin's. feck 'em anyway. The yanks don't support F1 that much anyway so Indy will be no great loss to the calendar.
 
The FIA were as much to blame as Michelin, if you ask me.

They should have done their utmost to ensure some kind of race took place, whether it was for championship points or not.
 
blythy said:
The FIA were as much to blame as Michelin, if you ask me.

They should have done their utmost to ensure some kind of race took place, whether it was for championship points or not.
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Once Michelin had said there was a problem it was up to the FIA to get something sorted to ensure a race of some sort
 
If Michelin shod cars didn't race for points they could well have punted off a Bridgestone shod car, or more to the point, Ferrari.
 
Some of the fans behaved like animals....throwing things on to the track is insane. The six drivers should seek out these morons and press charges., as should the mechanics who were attacked afterwards by a mob.......because the whole thing was the mechanics fault see....morons.
 
Keane16 said:
Some of the fans behaved like animals....throwing things on to the track is insane. The six drivers should seek out these morons and press charges., as should the mechanics who were attacked afterwards by a mob.......because the whole thing was the mechanics fault see....morons.
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Although you can't condone it, you sympathise with them. Think I'd be a bit fecked off if I'd paid $80+ for a ticket, plus travel and other expenses, in some cases hotels to sit and watch that farce.
 
MelvinYeo said:
If Michelin shod cars didn't race for points they could well have punted off a Bridgestone shod car, or more to the point, Ferrari.
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I don't think they would have to be honest. They would have risked further penalties after the race, at least if they would have had a race of some sort
 
blythy said:
Although you can't condone it, you sympathise with them. Think I'd be a bit fecked off if I'd paid $80+ for a ticket, plus travel and other expenses, in some cases hotels to sit and watch that farce.
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They should do the decent thing and refund the ticket prices. Even if the FIA do that and then sue michelin. They must have broken contractual agreements yesterday.
 
I think the fairest thing would be rerun the race again later in the year though I don't think the FIA will do that
 
blythy said:
Although you can't condone it, you sympathise with them. Think I'd be a bit fecked off if I'd paid $80+ for a ticket, plus travel and other expenses, in some cases hotels to sit and watch that farce.
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Nobody in their right mind would throw something onto a live race track...let alone one where they are touching getting 200mph in front of a grandstand. Lunacy. Just because things went seriously pear-shaped for the event doesn't mean people should lose all control. I definately think these people should be charged, if they can find them.
 
MelvinYeo said:
I think the fairest thing would be rerun the race again later in the year though I don't think the FIA will do that
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that is not fair at all for ferrari,jordan,minardi,the 6 drivers,the mechanics of the 3 teams,bridgestone staffs who worked their socks off to match michelin..in other words...let things stay where they are michelin deserved what they got they deserve no symphathy
 
Reflectorboy said:
that is not fair at all for ferrari,jordan,minardi,the 6 drivers,the mechanics of the 3 teams,bridgestone staffs who worked their socks off to match michelin..in other words...let things stay where they are michelin deserved what they got they deserve no symphathy
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Wouldn't be fair on the fans either.

Maybe a non point scoring race and free entry for those who went yesterday
 
MelvinYeo said:
Wouldn't be fair on the fans either.

Maybe a non point scoring race and free entry for those who went yesterday
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what is the point of a non scoring race and yes free entry for next year's race at indianapolis would be a good idea
 
Reflectorboy said:
what is the point of a non scoring race and yes free entry for next year's race at indianapolis would be a good idea
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To make up for those who attended the farce
 
MelvinYeo said:
To make up for those who attended the farce
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no it serve no purpose at all. Refund the $$ back and I wonder if any of the fans will sue Michelin?
 
MelvinYeo said:
To make up for those who attended the farce
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ask michelin to compensate them because they cause the face..what is the point of having a race where drivers wont risk anything because there is no motivation to do so
 
Reflectorboy said:
ask michelin to compensate them because they cause the face..what is the point of having a race where drivers wont risk anything because there is no motivation to do so
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There is a big difference between going out on a race track know you might get hurt and going out on a race track after being told that when you come round the last corner at 180mph there is a very large chance that you will end up in the wall.
 
Michelin went to Indianapolis with tires that lasts 10 laps in a 73 lap race. Then they sent new tires that were the same :wenger: It's all their fault of course they are trying to do a Wenger and blame FIA and Ferrari but they know it's their fault.
 
Frankly there are 3 options that FIA given to michelin




USA: Geoffrey Willis rejects FIA's proposals
By Phil Huff - June 19 2005

BAR Honda's technical director Geoffrey Willis has declared that the three options put to the Michelin shod teams at Indianapolis are not acceptable.

The first option, running a Barcelona specification tyre Michelin flew in overnight, leads to a number of issues. "The Barcelona tyre is not an option," says Willis, "because we do not know how it would behave here."

Should any team run the optional tyre, they almost certainly face exclusion from the race results for changing tyre specification after qualifying.

"Changing tyres is also not feasible because six extra stops would be a big penalty," said Willis about option two - changing the risky tyre every ten laps as per Michelin's instructions. The teams would need to prove to the FIA that the changed tyre was dangerous in order to escape any penalty.

The final option for the teams is to slow down for the final banked turn. "Going slow is unlikely," adds Willis, "as there are six Michelin cars racing for a podium and the difference is tenths per lap."

At BAR-Talk.com we feel that there are occasions where the safety of the competitors and, more importantly, the paying public, should come before a few tenths of a second advantage over an opponent. The time has come for those affected to look at the bigger picture and agree to run according to the rules, sacrificing their own performance if necessary.


Now that leaves us with the farsical chicane option that so many have not put any thought into just said yeah.

"Finally, it has been suggested that a chicane should be laid out in Turn 13. I am sure you will appreciate that this is out of the question. To change the course in order to help some of the teams with a performance problem caused by their failure to bring suitable equipment to the race would be a breach of the rules and grossly unfair to those teams which have come to Indianapolis with the correct tyres.

Yours sincerely,

Charlie Whiting
FIA Formula One Race Director"

or from a drivers perspective

http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/050620/13/bo69.html

Q: Michael and Rubens, I only want to know if it's true that this morning you agreed with the other drivers that a chicane was needed.

MS: No, we didn't agree on anything like this. It is not our position to agree, it's the FIA's position to agree on this, not us.

RB: I mean, if I had changed one of the corners in Bahrain, my tire would have finished, it wouldn't be in such a problem and I probably would have finished even on the podium. So why would we have to agree to that? People think, okay, you put in a chicane, but we haven't tested with that chicane so that could have been even more dangerous. If you take a different line and people spin to the other side, crash into the side wall, how can we do it? It's silly."
 
Richter said:
Michelin went to Indianapolis with tires that lasts 10 laps in a 73 lap race. Then they sent new tires that were the same :wenger: It's all their fault of course they are trying to do a Wenger and blame FIA and Ferrari but they know it's their fault.
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Michelin = Wenger
excellent!

:lol: :lol:
 
Richter said:
Michelin went to Indianapolis with tires that lasts 10 laps in a 73 lap race. Then they sent new tires that were the same :wenger: It's all their fault of course they are trying to do a Wenger and blame FIA and Ferrari but they know it's their fault.
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I don't see how they are trying to blame Ferrari or the FIA? They made shitty tyres, tyres that were dangerous, so they couldn't run on them - end of. They could not have gone out and raced with those tyres, no way. That is their fault and they are feeling the heat for it, no doubt. But the reason there was no race yesterday has more to do with politics, the rules, intransigence on the part of a few, and the bizarre direction in which the authorities, including the teams, have taken with the rules over the past decade or so. It all came to a head yesterday. Some good will come of it, I don't doubt that. Heads should roll - big heads, in positions of authority.

Michelin did the right thing yesterday, it was the rules that screwed everyone over.
 
Keane16 said:
I don't see how they are trying to blame Ferrari or the FIA? They made shitty tyres, tyres that were dangerous, so they couldn't run on them - end of. They could not have gone out and raced with those tyres, no way. That is their fault and they are feeling the heat for it, no doubt. But the reason there was no race yesterday has more to do with politics, the rules, intransigence on the part of a few, and the bizarre direction in which the authorities, including the teams, have taken with the rules over the past decade or so. It all came to a head yesterday. Some good will come of it, I don't doubt that. Heads should roll - big heads, in positions of authority.

Michelin did the right thing yesterday, it was the rules that screwed everyone over.
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The FIA needed to take a more common sense approach, if it had been any other team but Ferrari that objected to the Chicane they probably would have done it.
The suggestion of putting the chicane in but the michelin team race for no points would have been the most sensible solution. BAR said they would have accepted that and the spectators would have got a race. Without fans attending the races the sport will fold overnight. How many sponsors would hang around in a sport that is watched by no-one.
 
Looking Busy said:
The FIA needed to take a more common sense approach, if it had been any other team but Ferrari that objected to the Chicane they probably would have done it.
The suggestion of putting the chicane in but the michelin team race for no points would have been the most sensible solution. BAR said they would have accepted that and the spectators would have got a race. Without fans attending the races the sport will fold overnight. How many sponsors would hang around in a sport that is watched by no-one.
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Frankly putting a chicane may not be safer as most teams (including the Bridgestone) will have an additional concern on brakes.

and i quote Rubeno comment again
"I mean, if I had changed one of the corners in Bahrain, my tire would have finished, it wouldn't be in such a problem and I probably would have finished even on the podium. So why would we have to agree to that? People think, okay, you put in a chicane, but we haven't tested with that chicane so that could have been even more dangerous. If you take a different line and people spin to the other side, crash into the side wall, how can we do it? It's silly."
 
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