Today analysis: What were the main reasons why the king of most spectacular goals Zlatan Ibrahimovic wasn’t up there with Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo?

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Do wonder how Zlatan would have fared in the Ronaldo/Rooney setup if SAF had signed him the summer when Ruud was shipped out. Zlatan moved to Inter in August 2006 for around 25m euros.
 
Zlatan doesn't have to be up there with Messi and Ronaldo. Ronaldo and Messi have to be down there with Zlatan.
 
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Do wonder how Zlatan would have fared in the Ronaldo/Rooney setup if SAF had signed him the summer when Ruud was shipped out. Zlatan moved to Inter in August 2006 for around 25m euros.
Imagine if we signed him instead of Berba in 2008. Wonder how that wouldve worked out
 
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Today I am going to analyze and write about what were the main reasons why the king of most acrobatic and spectacular goals in football history Zlatan Ibrahimovic up there with Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo?

Like we all now Lionel Messi got 8 Ballon D’or and Cristiano Ronaldo got 5. And why and what did Zlatan to got up there with those 2?


There are many small reasons. That were contributed to Zlatan and those 2 top top players. But I will only focus and write about 4 main reasons. Why I think and believe Zlatan were lacking and missing.


There were 3 main reasons:


1.The invisible factor and reason: The bank of good karma and luck


+ Zlatan didn’t play for a owner and club that play most money to get the football players out there. Like Real Madrid were buying the best football players out there. All back to Zidane, Kaka, Brazil Ronaldo, Modric, Bale and etc etc.

And I think average wages of Ronaldo and Messi were higher than Zlatan too. Having a owner and club that pay you a lot in wage. It just tell you how good karma and luck you have and how much good karma you did in the past and previous lives.

And you create your own luck and good karma. It will make things goes your way, lead and keep you on the right path. And let you avoid serious injuries.

On this subject, ingredient and reason. No doubt. Messi and Ronaldo were above Zlatan on this reason.

Like having some Saudi Arabian willing to pay you 200 millions in the end of you career. It just show how much bank of good karma and luck Ronaldo did create.

And those 2 boys bank of good karma or on the same level of kings and peoples of those highest status. Reason why they have relation and connection to each others. Law of attractions.


2.The level of and qualities of Ronaldo’s and Messi’s teammates were higher. It will increase and rise your chance to win Champion league, World cup and later Ballon D’or.

And this second reason do relate to the first reason. Like I mentioned how much the owner, president of the club and the club are willing to pay to get the best players out there. Top world class players.

Of course Zlatan did had top and some were world class players too. But the time C Ronaldo and Messi were playing at Real Madrid and Barcelona. Were just top of the cake. Even when Zlatan joining Barcelona he did said that. Playing with Messi, Iniesta, Xavi. He knew he was joining one of the best club in the world.


Now, just take a look of some of Cristiano Roanldo teammates. First at United that won champion league.


At United where he won first Ballon D’or:

Top CBs in Rio and Vidic, top CM in Scholes, Top CF in Rooney and the top Duracell CF in Tevez.

Teammates at Real Madrid: Ramos & Pepe = 2 rock solid CBs, top CMs in Modric, Casemiro and Kroos. Top attacking players in Bale.



With Lionel Messi. Where he won most Ballon D’or with Barcelona. Because of the qualities of his teammates:

Iniesta, Puyol, Macherano, Busguets, Xavi, Eto, Henry. And what happened to Messi and Barcelona after the retirement of Iniesta and Xavi. Messi didn’t win much with Barcelona then. Special in champion league.


And Cristiano Ronaldo didn’t win champion league with Juventus after Real Madrid. Because the level of his teammates at Juventus drop compare to the level of his ex teammates from Real Madrid.

Of course Zlatan joined the best club in the country and he won domestic league everywhere he was playing. But Zlatan didn’t won champion league.

And this is the one of the main reason why he didn’t. Zlatan didn’t had the same and top qualities of teammates as Ronaldo and Messi.


3.The third main reason is. “The physical “. Zlatan was lacking the top explosives and top acceleration compare to Messi and Ronaldo. Of course over a long distance Zlatan was quick too, when he comes up to his top speed.

But in football. Top acceleration and quickness in the first metres is one of the most important physical attribute of a football players.


What top acceleration and explosiveness will help and give you advantage on a football pitch?

+ It will help you to get away from aggressive defenders. And give you the space and time you need to score or got passed them.

I know Zlatan beside playing football. Was training Tae Kwon Do and had black belt. TKDo did help him with acceleration and explosiveness.

Because in TKDo and Martial arts in general. You get to have top explosives and quickness. Both with feets and hands. Why in this kind of sports. They train exercises that help and increase the explosiveness a lot. Just like in Boxing.

Like you get to be really quick and explosive to block the punch or you will get hit on the face.

So Tae Kwon Do did help Zlatan in some degree when it come to explosiveness.

And reasons why we saw some of Zlatan’s Kung fu and Bruce Lee goals on the football pitches. Zlatan brought TKDo and Kung Fu/Shaolin to football.


But the main reason and obstacle that hold back Zlatan to got the top acceleration and explosiveness was his own natural body shape. How his body was build, naturally.

Zlatan was a tall and big guy. Taller and bigger than Ronaldo and Messi.

Zlatan height: 195 cm

Ronaldo : 187 cm

Messi : 170 cm

And we all knows. The tallest guy will not be the quickest guy in the first metres.


Like in 100 m sprint for men.

Usain Bolt’s height: 195 cm


Bolt wasn’t quickest in the first metres. But Bolt over 100 will reduce the advantage, overcome and beat others sprinters.


And beside football skills. Top explosiveness and acceleration was one of Messi top attributes, advantage. The quickness in change of direction + combine with his football skills. Made it really really hard to defenders to stop and handle him, illegal.


About Cristiano Ronaldo, who I was following from his first days at Manchester United to end of his career.

How his physical body/mass was developed.

From a thinny 17 years old boy-------> to a guy and player with bigger muscle. Then he start to loss his top acceleration and explosiveness.

From a top and super quick, explosive winger-----> more to a poacher and a goalscorer/CF.



Again. Zlatan had top reaction and he was reacting and made decision really quick in his head. Because of the advantage of TWDo and martial beside playing football.

But again, compare to Messi. Zlatan didn’t had the top explosiveness and acceleration as Messi.



That were the 3 main reasons that Zlatan didn’t had, lacked, missed or whatever we call. To be up there with Messi and Ronaldo.

3 big big ingredients, reasons and factors. That did play big big part.



Without the best and top qualities teammates/best weapons in football. Both in the defend and attack. You will come short.

And without the owner that had money to buy those top weapons. You will come short too.

And when your own natural born physical body, was an obstacle. To get you up there. Not a chance Zlatan could be up there with Messi and Ronaldo.

It was just Ronaldo and Messi time and era. If not the biggest rivals.


Because mentality qualities and abilities. This big big reasons. Like hunger, determination, dedication, top guts/drive, hard work and fighting spirit & winning mentality. I believe and rate Zlatan had top winning mentality as Ronaldo and Messi :

Guts, huger and fighting/winning mentality :

Ronaldo = Zlatan = Messi = equal high/same


That were the 3 first reasons mentioned above that different Zlatan from Ronaldo and Messi. 3 too big big reasons. And did play big big part. Why Zlatan weren’t up there with those 2 top of the cake players. 2 of the best of the best players. GOAT.



But in the end. When it come to most acrobatic amd most spectacular goals in football history. There was one and only Zlatan.

The king of most spectacular goals. No one close to him. Zlatan brought Kung Fu and Shaolin soccer to the football. One of his advantage. That no others football players had. How quick he was to react to all the situations on the football pitch and what was the best solution to all every moments.

Zlatan did had a consistent really really high level too. But Messi and Ronaldo were just above. Because they had what it require and demand to be at theirs levels. Like I explained and mentioned above.

Thank you for reading






Zlatan was quick, but not that quick like Messi. When it come to change of direction and explosiveness. One of Zlatan best goal.

Only reason 3 is actually correct.
 
I remember a time when Zlatan was viewed as extremely overrated in England. It's a shame he didn't move to the premier league much earlier. Imagine we got Zlatan the season we sold Ronaldo instead of fecking Michael Owen

I remember our match with Inter in 08/09 (I think). The headlines comparing him and Ronaldo were that one behaved like a superstar and the other played like one. I think that essentially sums it up. Despite all his accolades, I never saw Zlatan as a player who can single-handedly lead a team to titles. Even at his peak with PSG, if I remember correctly, Cavani was seen as a more essential part of the attack.
 
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He also offers strategic insights into how certain players would fit within a team’s formation and what their addition could bring to clubs like Manchester United. His posts suggest a strong understanding of tactical team-building, often referencing comparisons with established players to forecast a player’s future potential .





In summary, LuckyScout78 excels at providing in-depth scouting reports, making him a valued contributor on discussions regarding team transfers and player roles.
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Next week's analysis: What were the main reasons Romelu Lukaku wasn't up there with Ronaldo Nazario and Marco van Basten?
 
Today I am going to analyze and write about what were the main reasons why the king of most acrobatic and spectacular goals in football history Zlatan Ibrahimovic up there with Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo?

Like we all now Lionel Messi got 8 Ballon D’or and Cristiano Ronaldo got 5. And why and what did Zlatan to got up there with those 2?


There are many small reasons. That were contributed to Zlatan and those 2 top top players. But I will only focus and write about 4 main reasons. Why I think and believe Zlatan were lacking and missing.


There were 3 main reasons:


1.The invisible factor and reason: The bank of good karma and luck


+ Zlatan didn’t play for a owner and club that play most money to get the football players out there. Like Real Madrid were buying the best football players out there. All back to Zidane, Kaka, Brazil Ronaldo, Modric, Bale and etc etc.

And I think average wages of Ronaldo and Messi were higher than Zlatan too. Having a owner and club that pay you a lot in wage. It just tell you how good karma and luck you have and how much good karma you did in the past and previous lives.

And you create your own luck and good karma. It will make things goes your way, lead and keep you on the right path. And let you avoid serious injuries.

On this subject, ingredient and reason. No doubt. Messi and Ronaldo were above Zlatan on this reason.

Like having some Saudi Arabian willing to pay you 200 millions in the end of you career. It just show how much bank of good karma and luck Ronaldo did create.

And those 2 boys bank of good karma or on the same level of kings and peoples of those highest status. Reason why they have relation and connection to each others. Law of attractions.


2.The level of and qualities of Ronaldo’s and Messi’s teammates were higher. It will increase and rise your chance to win Champion league, World cup and later Ballon D’or.

And this second reason do relate to the first reason. Like I mentioned how much the owner, president of the club and the club are willing to pay to get the best players out there. Top world class players.

Of course Zlatan did had top and some were world class players too. But the time C Ronaldo and Messi were playing at Real Madrid and Barcelona. Were just top of the cake. Even when Zlatan joining Barcelona he did said that. Playing with Messi, Iniesta, Xavi. He knew he was joining one of the best club in the world.


Now, just take a look of some of Cristiano Roanldo teammates. First at United that won champion league.


At United where he won first Ballon D’or:

Top CBs in Rio and Vidic, top CM in Scholes, Top CF in Rooney and the top Duracell CF in Tevez.

Teammates at Real Madrid: Ramos & Pepe = 2 rock solid CBs, top CMs in Modric, Casemiro and Kroos. Top attacking players in Bale.



With Lionel Messi. Where he won most Ballon D’or with Barcelona. Because of the qualities of his teammates:

Iniesta, Puyol, Macherano, Busguets, Xavi, Eto, Henry. And what happened to Messi and Barcelona after the retirement of Iniesta and Xavi. Messi didn’t win much with Barcelona then. Special in champion league.


And Cristiano Ronaldo didn’t win champion league with Juventus after Real Madrid. Because the level of his teammates at Juventus drop compare to the level of his ex teammates from Real Madrid.

Of course Zlatan joined the best club in the country and he won domestic league everywhere he was playing. But Zlatan didn’t won champion league.

And this is the one of the main reason why he didn’t. Zlatan didn’t had the same and top qualities of teammates as Ronaldo and Messi.


3.The third main reason is. “The physical “. Zlatan was lacking the top explosives and top acceleration compare to Messi and Ronaldo. Of course over a long distance Zlatan was quick too, when he comes up to his top speed.

But in football. Top acceleration and quickness in the first metres is one of the most important physical attribute of a football players.



What top acceleration and explosiveness will help and give you advantage on a football pitch?

+ It will help you to get away from aggressive defenders. And give you the space and time you need to score or got passed them.

I know Zlatan beside playing football. Was training Tae Kwon Do and had black belt. TKDo did help him with acceleration and explosiveness.

Because in TKDo and Martial arts in general. You get to have top explosives and quickness. Both with feets and hands. Why in this kind of sports. They train exercises that help and increase the explosiveness a lot. Just like in Boxing.

Like you get to be really quick and explosive to block the punch or you will get hit on the face.

So Tae Kwon Do did help Zlatan in some degree when it come to explosiveness.

And reasons why we saw some of Zlatan’s Kung fu and Bruce Lee goals on the football pitches. Zlatan brought TKDo and Kung Fu/Shaolin to football.


But the main reason and obstacle that hold back Zlatan to got the top acceleration and explosiveness was his own natural body shape. How his body was build, naturally.

Zlatan was a tall and big guy. Taller and bigger than Ronaldo and Messi.

Zlatan height: 195 cm

Ronaldo : 187 cm

Messi : 170 cm

And we all knows. The tallest guy will not be the quickest guy in the first metres.


Like in 100 m sprint for men.

Usain Bolt’s height: 195 cm


Bolt wasn’t quickest in the first metres. But Bolt over 100 will reduce the advantage, overcome and beat others sprinters.


And beside football skills. Top explosiveness and acceleration was one of Messi top attributes, advantage. The quickness in change of direction + combine with his football skills. Made it really really hard to defenders to stop and handle him, illegal.


About Cristiano Ronaldo, who I was following from his first days at Manchester United to end of his career.

How his physical body/mass was developed.

From a thinny 17 years old boy-------> to a guy and player with bigger muscle. Then he start to loss his top acceleration and explosiveness.

From a top and super quick, explosive winger-----> more to a poacher and a goalscorer/CF.



Again. Zlatan had top reaction and he was reacting and made decision really quick in his head. Because of the advantage of TWDo and martial beside playing football.

But again, compare to Messi. Zlatan didn’t had the top explosiveness and acceleration as Messi.



That were the 3 main reasons that Zlatan didn’t had, lacked, missed or whatever we call. To be up there with Messi and Ronaldo.

3 big big ingredients, reasons and factors. That did play big big part.



Without the best and top qualities teammates/best weapons in football. Both in the defend and attack. You will come short.

And without the owner that had money to buy those top weapons. You will come short too.

And when your own natural born physical body, was an obstacle. To get you up there. Not a chance Zlatan could be up there with Messi and Ronaldo.

It was just Ronaldo and Messi time and era. If not the biggest rivals.


Because mentality qualities and abilities. This big big reasons. Like hunger, determination, dedication, top guts/drive, hard work and fighting spirit & winning mentality. I believe and rate Zlatan had top winning mentality as Ronaldo and Messi :

Guts, huger and fighting/winning mentality :

Ronaldo = Zlatan = Messi = equal high/same


That were the 3 first reasons mentioned above that different Zlatan from Ronaldo and Messi. 3 too big big reasons. And did play big big part. Why Zlatan weren’t up there with those 2 top of the cake players. 2 of the best of the best players. GOAT.



But in the end. When it come to most acrobatic amd most spectacular goals in football history. There was one and only Zlatan.

The king of most spectacular goals. No one close to him. Zlatan brought Kung Fu and Shaolin soccer to the football. One of his advantage. That no others football players had. How quick he was to react to all the situations on the football pitch and what was the best solution to all every moments.

Zlatan did had a consistent really really high level too. But Messi and Ronaldo were just above. Because they had what it require and demand to be at theirs levels. Like I explained and mentioned above.

Thank you for reading






Zlatan was quick, but not that quick like Messi. When it come to change of direction and explosiveness. One of Zlatan best goal.

Zlatan had one of the worlds best acceleration 0-5m this was measured and one of the factors he was so good.
 
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If he was picked by Pep at Barca he could have been up there. Unfortunately he wasnt. And he was a star at Inter, Milan, and PSG. Those clubs didnt have the stature as big as that of peak Madrid and Barca.
 
Zlatan didn’t play for a owner and club that play most money to get the football players out there.

Didn’t he play for the:

- Richest club in the Netherlands?
- Richest club in Italy?
- Richest club in France?
- Richest club in England?
- Second richest club in Spain?
 
Zlatan didn't have the agility to make him as dynamic as the other two. He couldn't go around players at breakneck speed. He didn't make the same bursting runs from deep that Ronaldo did. The ball stuck to his feet and it was hard to get the ball off him but he wasn't a supreme dribbler like Messi. He had a more delicate approach playing in and around the box rather than dropping deep and getting involved in the action.

I also think he took a long time to establish himself. His cockiness wasn't the same blessing in his 20s that it was towards the tail-end of his career when he seemed to motivate his teammates through presence.

He also spent his best years at PSG which as much as anything wasn't going to make him too highly-regarded. Neymar had the same issue.
 
For me, Zlatan and Robben were better players than Ronaldo. The same goes for Iniesta and Modric. I think prime Bale was better than Ronaldo also. He just had an extremely short prime but was absolutely unbelievable in those couple of years.

Ronaldo was just an absolute goalscoring freak and goals win games.. I preferred Robben at Chelsea over a younger Ronaldo for us also. Ronaldo was fantastic from 2007 to around 2010 before he changed his playing style. Afterwards, he wasn't as good to watch.

Scoring lots of goals makes you a great goalscorer, not a great player.

Messi was a completely different beast altogether. Probably the greatest player of all time and Ronaldo isn't even in the discussion.

You use technical ability to judge your list of best players.

This is why players like Zlatan is better than Ronaldo and so many others in your eyes.

To some like me, Technical ability is just one of many abilities a player has to incorporate & is not that important. Notice how you talk about how Ronaldo got less aesthetically pleasing to watch - that's again because you value technical ability as the way footballers are judged the most.

For me for example as someone that doesn't drool over what i call the "La Liga based technical ability" - I value Ronaldo's ability to play in top leagues for top clubs and stay consistent much more.

To me that's more jaw dropping than every other player including Messi, Xavi, Iniesta who primed like fruits under Guardiola and without him and in other leagues may well have flopped like :

Zlatan at Barcelona
Messi not providing CL wins for Barcelona and in particular for PSG post retirement of Iniesta
Hazard at Madrid
Robben at Madrid
Coutinho at Barcelona
Greizmann at Barcelona
Shevchenko at Chelsea
Torres at Chelsea
Kaka at Madrid
Sancho at United
Ousamanne Dembele at Barcelona
Neymar at PSG regarded as the 3rd best player in the world & considered a competitors to Pele whilst in Barcelona but not at Ligue 1 PSG :lol:
Pedro going from playing in the best xi of all time to Chelsea

Possibly Mbappe at Madrid ;)

I can go on and on..

I knew just how good Xavi & Iniesta were before Guardiola coached them with Xavi almost getting sold.

Now they are looked as the Greatest of all time.

Personally not for me. Just as you don't rate Ronaldo for what he achieved and how he achieved it - I don't really rate the La Liga players especially the ones who went up a tier under Guardiola which we have seen repeated almost exactly at Manchester City with people now rating De Bruyne and Rodri as some of the best of all time.

But this is why football is so personal. Just as people can support different teams, people can value different players in different ways aswell.

So I understand you not rating Ronaldo, but just know that there are people who don't really rate the players you may rate aswell!

Enjoy football!
 
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Be careful. Caf staff got tetchy last time people were taking the piss out of Luckyscout saying others wouldn't have the balls to start threads.

I get it on one level, they want to encourage discussion as much as possible and he's not harming anyone even if his threads aren't everyone's (likely hardly anyone's) cup of tea. Discussion might even be the wrong word as he actively stated he won't reply to people in his threads! Probably just best ignoring if ithat's how you (we) feel, can even put on active ignore.

Not to single you out or anything.
Yep. Nobody has to like or care about what Lucky posts, and we're not going to censor all the fun away. But the previous thread initially consisted of only pisstake posts of a pretty low level, and that's just lame if the OP is intended seriously. Just as you say, if you don't care for it, just post elsewhere.