Toaster Toes Timo Werner | Tottenham Player
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Some say the Caf is more dangerous than any slum or favela
there are however lots of successful imports from the PL to La Liga. You highlighted one failure.
how many successes have there been from Germany to the PL?
Bale
Ronaldo
Beckham
Forlan
Pigue
Modric
McManaman
RVN
that’s me thinking about successes to La Liga for approx 7 seconds.
I honestly thought you'd use him as a poacher, playing off the shoulder of the opposition CBs like Chicharito did so well at United, thats what he needs to do. Once he gets his next goal he'll be fine.
I wonder if a 352 system would help Werner?
Not sure how it would impact the rest of the team but Werner would at least play alongside a CF whilst not being shoved all the way out to the wing himself.
It probably wouldn't suit Pulisic or Hudson-Odoi, but two of Havertz, Ziyech and Mount flanking Kante and of course Chilwell and James as the wing backs.
It would also allow for an extra pacy CB like Tomori or Christensen on the other side of Silva.
Not sure how it would impact the rest of the team but Werner would at least play alongside a CF whilst not being shoved all the way out to the wing himself.
It probably wouldn't suit Pulisic or Hudson-Odoi, but two of Havertz, Ziyech and Mount flanking Kante and of course Chilwell and James as the wing backs.
It would also allow for an extra pacy CB like Tomori or Christensen on the other side of Silva.
With the injuries we've had, he's had to fill in out wide. None of Pulisic, Ziyech and Hudson-Odoi have managed to stay fit with any consistency. At one point, all 3 of them were either not fit to start or completely out injured.
I don't think starting him in every game whilst not really adjusting the system is helping him
He definitely needs to be playing off a striker rather than going it alone up top.
Having said that he can only operate in a 3 as a LWF but only if he is given license to just stay close to the CF and not have to track back or play as a winger. Therefore the midfield trio would need a attacking midfielder who is like a Di Maria and pulls out wide ensuring Chelsea hold their width.
3-5-2 would be easier to pull off or even a 4-4-2 but in any case the less of the ball he has and less link up the better. He needs to just focus on making runs in behind and getting shots off - that is when he can be lethal.
Don't forget Coutinho being a failure as well. Failed in the BL for Bayern as well
You want to go back to Mcmanaman for Prem signings?
Kompany
De Bruyne
Sane
Son
Firmino
Matip
Gundogan
Fuchs
Van Der Vaart
Ballack
Some off the top of my head.
Hamann, Ballack, Lehmann, De Bruyne, Son, Gündogan, Aubameyang, Firmino, Sané etc.
Really didn't take more than a few seconds.
I've just tried to make a summary and (IMHO):
Premier League signings from Bundesliga clubs (at least £ 15 mln spent)
Positive: Aubameyang, De Bruyne, Sanè, Firmino, Son, Gundogan, Soyuncu, Vestergaard, Dzeko, De Jong
Neutral: Leno, Pulisic. Too early for Werner, Havertz, Thiago Alcantara
Negative: Naby Keita, Haller, Xhaka, Joelinton, Mkhitaryan, Gbamin, Baba, Schurrle, Yarmolenko, Kagawa, Sokratis, Heargraves, Chicharito
Ratio -> Positive(10)/Negative (13) < 1. More misses than hits.
Premier League signings from LaLiga clubs (at least € 20 mln spent and since 2010.. They're really too many)
Positive: Rodri, Fabregas, Ozil, Kovacic, Sanchez (to Arsenal), Aguero, Diego Costa, Torres (to Liverpool), David Silva, Yaya Tourè, Fornals, Pedro, Mata (to Chelsea), Digne, Otamendi, Jonny Otto, Filipe Luis, Jesus Navas
Neutral: Laporte, Lo Celso because they have not played a lot recently. , Bailly (too many injuries), Herrera, Ceballos, De Gea. Too early for Partey, Ferran, Semedo, Rodrigo, James, Reguilon, Bale, Llorente
Negative: Kepa, Di Maria, Morata, Mustafi, Soldado, Danilo, Andrè Gomes, Negredo, Lucas Perez
Ratio -> Positive (18)/ Negative (9) = 2.
Conclusions:
Not even a question. Players from La Liga have performed much much better than players from Bundesliga. /Endgame
Premier League signings from Bundesliga clubs (at least £ 15 mln spent)
Positive: Aubameyang, De Bruyne, Sanè, Firmino, Son, Gundogan, Soyuncu, Vestergaard, Dzeko, De Jong
Neutral: Leno, Pulisic. Too early for Werner, Havertz, Thiago Alcantara
Negative: Naby Keita, Haller, Xhaka, Joelinton, Mkhitaryan, Gbamin, Baba, Schurrle, Yarmolenko, Kagawa, Sokratis, Heargraves, Chicharito
Ratio -> Positive(10)/Negative (13) < 1. More misses than hits.
Premier League signings from LaLiga clubs (at least € 20 mln spent and since 2010.. They're really too many)
Positive: Rodri, Fabregas, Ozil, Kovacic, Sanchez (to Arsenal), Aguero, Diego Costa, Torres (to Liverpool), David Silva, Yaya Tourè, Fornals, Pedro, Mata (to Chelsea), Digne, Otamendi, Jonny Otto, Filipe Luis, Jesus Navas
Neutral: Laporte, Lo Celso because they have not played a lot recently. , Bailly (too many injuries), Herrera, Ceballos, De Gea. Too early for Partey, Ferran, Semedo, Rodrigo, James, Reguilon, Bale, Llorente
Negative: Kepa, Di Maria, Morata, Mustafi, Soldado, Danilo, Andrè Gomes, Negredo, Lucas Perez
Ratio -> Positive (18)/ Negative (9) = 2.
Conclusions:
Not even a question. Players from La Liga have performed much much better than players from Bundesliga. /Endgame
... using your own arbitrary selection criteria! /thisgamesucks
Try again.
Positive: Filipe Luis, Otamendi
Neutral: de Gea
I think that is enough internet for me today.
Neutral: de Gea
I think that is enough internet for me today.
Neutral De Gea
That's ridiculous. Of all the players you've listed, De Gea is easily in the top 5. I'd personally say only Silva and Aguero have had more positive contributions for their club than De Gea has had with us.
What’s most astonishing in your whole post is that you don’t have De Gea as a “positive” signing from La Liga?! Mate, he’s been one of the best goalkeepers the premier league has ever seen. He’s arguably the best signing from La liga!
Jinx! I literally just posted this.
I’ll be honest, as soon as I saw De Gea under neutral I lost any credibility of what this dude had to say. I didn’t even bother reading the restNeutral De Gea
What’s even funnier is he has Rodri as a positive signing who’s been awful half the time!
Filipe Luis: 100% negative signing.. My bad, got confused with Azpilicueta.
Don’t think you can call Hargreaves a negative signing if your criteria is about performance levels... He performed very well. He was just never fecking fit!
I’ll be honest, as soon as I saw De Gea under neutral I lost any credibility of what this dude had to say. I didn’t even bother reading the rest
What’s even funnier is he has Rodri as a positive signing who’s been awful half the time!
1 x Golden Glove winner
3 x United players' player of the year
4 x Sir Matt Busby Player of the Year (a record)
5 x Premier League team of the year appearances
424 appearances (a United record for non-British players)....
Neutral.
To be fair you’ve had a few shockers with your list mate. Hargreaves was pivotal in us winning the league and champions league in 2008 yet you’ve got him as a negative signing.
Neutral for DDG and I give him the most stick because I don’t feel he’s good enough anymore but he’s been a success!
and I give him the most stick because I don’t feel he’s good enough anymore but he’s been a success!Weird signing. He's not a CF and appears to be a second striker which Chelsea don't need given they have so many attacking midfielders. And as a wide forward he isn't very skillful.
... What's with this La Liga vs PL signing comparison??
I said, German/Deutch players bought with high money and reputation will always flop in PL.
I said, German/Deutch players bought with high money and reputation will always flop in PL.
azpilicueta was signed from Marseille.
He’s a runner. His main asset is not his hold up play or his dribble but his pace and his off ball movement, Werner would be more benefit playing under Ole due to our style quick counter and direct suits him. Play him as lone striker was never his speciality, he was flop as lone striker in 2018 World Cup, I spoke to some Chelsea fans before the season started they expected him to play as no 9 in front three and Lampard also mentioned in interview that he signed him to be no 9. When he plays wide, Lampard expected him to do something with the ball like creative player when he’s more effective off the ball, on wide area, he should be used similar to how Aubameyang was used last season.
Chelsea has Giroud or Abraham to play 2 strikers formation with Werner like how he was paired with Poulsen. I think he will come good if Chelsea has different manager who knows and understands how to use him for example Ralph Hasenhüttl. In my opinion Werner’s problem this season is the manager, the coaching and the tactic.
Chelsea has Giroud or Abraham to play 2 strikers formation with Werner like how he was paired with Poulsen. I think he will come good if Chelsea has different manager who knows and understands how to use him for example Ralph Hasenhüttl. In my opinion Werner’s problem this season is the manager, the coaching and the tactic.
What a miss
Oh boy, he is shit. Is he still Germany's starting #9?
He did used to be a good goalscorer, didn't he? I'm not imagining things.
That miss just about sums up his performance since coming on. He was terrible before that, that's just the icing on the cake.
He was always a bottler. Nagelsmann played to his strengths with his system.
Yeh his confidence is rock bottom, but my word he's such a limited player. He's not that quick, not that strong, an inch too short for a CF, finishing leaves a lot to be desired and I think his mentality isn't that of an elite striker. Reminds me of Forlan for United.
He just looks such a crap player.
Still too early to completely write him off but dearie me he has been hopeless.
Still too early to completely write him off but dearie me he has been hopeless.
Absolutely awful finishing with no confidence. This stupid feck has single handedly ruined my dream team this year.
It looked more difficult to get it that far wide than scoring!
How much did they spunk on him again??
Just low on confidence. Will be banging them in in no time.