I think he'll get sacked unless he reaches the QF's personally.
To all the Keane supporters
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I thought that the idea of clear the air talks were to bring all the problems and troubles out in the open and deal with then. If this is the case the Irish clear the air talks must have a clause in them that if you say anything the manager does not like the talks then become a "thats it your going home talks". Anyway at least we will have a fully rested Roy Keane when the season starts
I support Keano to the hilt in this matter. I understand the Irish manager feeling he had to assert his authority and make an example of Keano to a certain extent, but I don`t support his actions.
Roy is a man who is entitled to speak his mind after all he has done. McCarthy felt he could not accept such a challenge to his authority but I feel in the heat of the moment he made the issue into one of Roy`s disrespect and was too insecure about his position to accept that Keano`s words 99 per cent of the time have the hard core of truth.
What a bloody mistake! To lose your best, most motivated player who never gives anything less than 500 per cent. What was so bad about the newspaper interview that it precipitated Roy being cast aside?
As for the person who talked about Roy pursuing personal glory - that is so pitiful it barely warrants a rejoinder. The man`s whole footballing life has been about team work and lifting the team by sheer guts and example.
Roy is a working class man and shows a typical distaste for bullshit. Unfortunately McCarthy has made the matter one of managerial control when to bend a little would be the sign of a better manager. <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
Roy is a man who is entitled to speak his mind after all he has done. McCarthy felt he could not accept such a challenge to his authority but I feel in the heat of the moment he made the issue into one of Roy`s disrespect and was too insecure about his position to accept that Keano`s words 99 per cent of the time have the hard core of truth.
What a bloody mistake! To lose your best, most motivated player who never gives anything less than 500 per cent. What was so bad about the newspaper interview that it precipitated Roy being cast aside?
As for the person who talked about Roy pursuing personal glory - that is so pitiful it barely warrants a rejoinder. The man`s whole footballing life has been about team work and lifting the team by sheer guts and example.
Roy is a working class man and shows a typical distaste for bullshit. Unfortunately McCarthy has made the matter one of managerial control when to bend a little would be the sign of a better manager. <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
can i just point out to those of you defending keane that there were several players in the irish squad who cheered when it was announced that keane was being sent home, and there were also several players and backroom staff who had to be held back from attacking keane for his comments about mccarthy?
take yer feckin' manc-glasses off for a minute and realise just what an arsehole this man has been to his national manager, his team-mates and his country as a whole will you?
take yer feckin' manc-glasses off for a minute and realise just what an arsehole this man has been to his national manager, his team-mates and his country as a whole will you?
Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
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take yer feckin' manc-glasses off for a minute and realise just what an arsehole this man has been to his national manager, his team-mates and his country as a whole will you?
Only if you'll take off your ABU-glasses..
Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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Only if you'll take off your ABU-glasses..</strong><hr></blockquote>
as i said before, it's an irish thing.
or is everything A.B.U. to you?
Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
<strong>can i just point out to those of you defending keane that there were several players in the irish squad who cheered when it was announced that keane was being sent home, and there were also several players and backroom staff who had to be held back from attacking keane for his comments about mccarthy?
take yer feckin' manc-glasses off for a minute and realise just what an arsehole this man has been to his national manager, his team-mates and his country as a whole will you?
What you doing back on the forum? Its been rather nice in here, so why don't you take your frustration about anelka out on <img src="graemlins/houllier.gif" border="0" alt="[Houllier]" /> at kraptalk.
Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
<strong>can i just point out to those of you defending keane that there were several players in the irish squad who cheered when it was announced that keane was being sent home, and there were also several players and backroom staff who had to be held back from attacking keane for his comments about mccarthy?
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According to the media
Whats "its an Irish thing" meant to mean?
Keane cannot do what he did with a swagger and air of invincibility - if he did it to Fergie his arse wouldn't touch the floor on the way out. He thinks he can do the lot including manage which he can't. He has single handedly - destroyed the morale of the players through his comments, quashed any chance Ireland had of making progress (as he is without doubt a quality PLAYER), and made himself a laughing stock.
GROW UP.
If it was a leeds player you would be saying he was a joke who should get some fecking manners and step out of that baby-grow.
So in conclusion:
1) pathetic
2)rattle throwing
3)prone to tantrums
4)nothing is his fault
5)cannot accomplish anything with style, grace, poise
6)childish
7)spiteful, nasty bit of work
i think you've found your next manager lads...
GROW UP.
If it was a leeds player you would be saying he was a joke who should get some fecking manners and step out of that baby-grow.
So in conclusion:
1) pathetic
2)rattle throwing
3)prone to tantrums
4)nothing is his fault
5)cannot accomplish anything with style, grace, poise
6)childish
7)spiteful, nasty bit of work
i think you've found your next manager lads...
Originally posted by daddymac:
<strong>1) pathetic
2)rattle throwing
3)prone to tantrums
4)nothing is his fault
5)cannot accomplish anything with style, grace, poise
6)childish
7)spiteful, nasty bit of work
i think you've found your next manager lads...
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
very good.
Der whole ting is very SAD!
No one comes out of it with any self respect!
But the FAI are arseholes to a man.
No one comes out of it with any self respect!
But the FAI are arseholes to a man.
Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
<strong>can i just point out to those of you defending keane that there were several players in the irish squad who cheered when it was announced that keane was being sent home, and there were also several players and backroom staff who had to be held back from attacking keane for his comments about mccarthy?
aye probably those 2 cnuts Staunton & Quinn. One an ex scouser and the other an ex city player
Originally posted by daddymac:
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4)nothing is his fault
5)cannot accomplish anything with style, grace, poise
You're entitled to your opinion, but I would dispute the validity of points four and five.
If you ever listened to Roy Keane you'd know he does include himself in any criticism he makes about performances.
And his post match interview after the CL semi-final in 1999 when he was sent off was extremely gracious.
Well all I know is that about a year ago Roy Keane and all of the other squad members had to travel economy class to their destination...
While they were cramped up in economy the board members were in the lap of luxury up in first class????
Now I know that the players well being is the most important of all the party members, I know this caused him to question his worth and therefore participation in any future Ireland squads...
This was resolved but it is clear that there has been something of an amateurish feel to any Irish involvement in major tournaments...
While they were cramped up in economy the board members were in the lap of luxury up in first class????
Now I know that the players well being is the most important of all the party members, I know this caused him to question his worth and therefore participation in any future Ireland squads...
This was resolved but it is clear that there has been something of an amateurish feel to any Irish involvement in major tournaments...
Roy Keane wanted to win the World Cup.
The other bunch of feckers wanted a junket of golf and beer.
Keane loves Irish football and does not want it to be treated as a joke.
Keane challenged it. McCarthy couldn't handle it and set him up.
Tell me who is the professional?
Shut yer mouth if you know nothing about Irish football.
The other bunch of feckers wanted a junket of golf and beer.
Keane loves Irish football and does not want it to be treated as a joke.
Keane challenged it. McCarthy couldn't handle it and set him up.
Tell me who is the professional?
Shut yer mouth if you know nothing about Irish football.
Originally posted by daddymac:
<strong>i think you've found your next manager lads...
Well, if he can be as successful a manager as our current one, the next twenty years will be quite boring for the rest of the teams <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
Roy Keane - a legend!
Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
<strong>can i just point out to those of you defending keane that there were several players in the irish squad who cheered when it was announced that keane was being sent home, and there were also several players and backroom staff who had to be held back from attacking keane for his comments about mccarthy?
take yer feckin' manc-glasses off for a minute and realise just what an arsehole this man has been to his national manager, his team-mates and his country as a whole will you?
Did you not question the reasons why Roy Keane blew up and attacked McCarthy?
Do you know the full story?
Did you ever meet and talk to Keane?
I have met Roy in the past and he is a perfect gent i also know him from my early coaching days over here in Ireland before he went to notts forest and he is a true professional.
Before you call the man an arsehole and condemn his actions look into the facts, as for the other players cheering,that is a rumour nothing more and the real truth will come out eventually.
Keane did something stupid and paid the price. He may feel he had a right to complain but not in the middle to the biggest tournament in the world. A lesson has been learned.
I'd just like to ask Micheal Owen's Mum if he is Irish? cos you seem to think your opinion goes for the rest of us in ireland which it DOESN'T
as i said in my reply to your post in the world cup 2002 forum.
as i said in my reply to your post in the world cup 2002 forum.
Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>What makes me laugh is that none of you have any real insight into the personality of Roy Keane, nor Mick McCarthey, yet you are all defending the former to the hilt based on the fact that he's a great player. That strikes me as being a a little on the subjective side.
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I'm glad we can make you laugh Dans, we all need to at some stage
In Keano's position I would probably do the same as he has done, I have exploded at the MD in my former company in similar fashion and been asked to attend "clear the air talks" with the board where we addressed the issues that concerned me over his mismanagement and looked at ways to channel my efforts towards pushing the company on. My meeting finished on the day with a hand shake and the MD asuring me that he never wished to play poker with me, 6 months later his tenure was ended after he mismanaged the company into receivership, I was kept on by the receivers and held the fort for a month before my department and all of it's staff were purchased by a large German company with full transfer of undertakings.
Keano strikes me as the sort of character I would want in my corner in a fight, McCarthy strikes me as someone who I wouldn't want anywhere near my corner for fear of a knife in the back.
I do not know Roy Keane personally, but I do understand his desire to give it all no matter what the circumstance. The Irish were just happy to have qualified and were looking forward to a nice vacation in Japan, especially someone as crocked as Niall Quinn. The only person who was actually interested in at least trying to get to the 2nd round was Keane, so naturally he was pissed with the facilities, and even worse at the fact that goalkeepers were complaining of being tired. Bottomline Keane's a winner and always will be, u may not like him, but he's going to give 100% when he is on the field. Unfortunately whiners like Quinn and McCarthy will not understand that. So here's me wishing that the Irish get their behind's kicked by Cameroon,Germany and maybe even Saudi Arabia.
How amusing to see the `postings` of Michael Owen`s Mum, a suitably pathetic name for the supporter of such a little gumbie as Owen.
Owen would be lucky to scrape the mud off Keano`s boots. This is the little gumbie who babbles on about winning the Golden Boot at the World Cup whereas Keano puts himself on the line for his World Cup place by stating that the players in Ireland`s national team are treated like amateurs.
Yes, Keano is definitely NOT a calculating little dork who avoids expressing opinions any time any place like a rat sliming its way through a back alley.
So if you don`t like Red Devils` defence of the man - go back to your Liverpool boards. We don`t haunt the Liverpool boards as you and your ilk delight in doing here because we are secure in the knowledge that we support the greatest, most famous football club on the face of this earth and such men of character as Keano.
If you don`t like it - go back to where you come from try-hard! <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
Owen would be lucky to scrape the mud off Keano`s boots. This is the little gumbie who babbles on about winning the Golden Boot at the World Cup whereas Keano puts himself on the line for his World Cup place by stating that the players in Ireland`s national team are treated like amateurs.
Yes, Keano is definitely NOT a calculating little dork who avoids expressing opinions any time any place like a rat sliming its way through a back alley.
So if you don`t like Red Devils` defence of the man - go back to your Liverpool boards. We don`t haunt the Liverpool boards as you and your ilk delight in doing here because we are secure in the knowledge that we support the greatest, most famous football club on the face of this earth and such men of character as Keano.
If you don`t like it - go back to where you come from try-hard! <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
Can't understand what the fuss is all about. Keano is their only world-class player and they've booted him out. As an Englishman I don't care how the Republic get on, not bothered how England get on tbh.
My passion and pride for football is for United. If I had to go thru what some of our lads have on International duty I would quite happily say 'stick your feckin England/Ireland/Wales etc. up your arse'.
My passion and pride for football is for United. If I had to go thru what some of our lads have on International duty I would quite happily say 'stick your feckin England/Ireland/Wales etc. up your arse'.
One does not need to be an "expert" in Irish football to know a bit about human conduct, personnel management, conflict resolution, and basic decency. Much of the commentary "anti-Keane is not directed at the truth of the assertions, but the conduct/attitude by which it was presented.
It strikes me that the problem with Roy Keane's commentary was not its accuracy or inaccuracy. No one questions the conclusion voice vociferously by reddermo and the rest of the Irish zealots that the FAI is a corrupt, inept bureacratic disgrace to sport (like far too many such agencies). The problem was time, place, and manner.
If it was Keans's ambition by his comments and attitude to elevate the team's play and make changes prior to this major competition, he is an idiot. Nothing he was doing one week prior to the onset of play could alter the conditions of the pitch, airplane tickets, or team selection. If, however, he realized that a sacrifice had to be made to insure changes in the governing agency--and was willing to tube this World Cup and his own international career to bring about those changes, more power to him, and perhaps futre events will justify the worship now being extended him.
It strikes me that the problem with Roy Keane's commentary was not its accuracy or inaccuracy. No one questions the conclusion voice vociferously by reddermo and the rest of the Irish zealots that the FAI is a corrupt, inept bureacratic disgrace to sport (like far too many such agencies). The problem was time, place, and manner.
If it was Keans's ambition by his comments and attitude to elevate the team's play and make changes prior to this major competition, he is an idiot. Nothing he was doing one week prior to the onset of play could alter the conditions of the pitch, airplane tickets, or team selection. If, however, he realized that a sacrifice had to be made to insure changes in the governing agency--and was willing to tube this World Cup and his own international career to bring about those changes, more power to him, and perhaps futre events will justify the worship now being extended him.