[Norris]

Any links of it ?
At first I thought it was but need to see it again ?

Someone posted a video of it on here. Maybe top of this page, or previous page.

Even I didn't think it was a pen, but the angle that showed exactly what the referee saw made me realize why he gave it. So can't blame the ref for that.
I think even van Gaal admitted it was a Penalty in his presser.

 

[Walrus]

Didnt look a pen to me. There was very, very minor contact with the player before TFM made solid contact on the ball. The initial contact (on the player) was absolutely not enough to justify a pen though. Still from the refs POV it probably looked worse than it was.

I didnt think TFM had as bad a game as many are making out. He got up and down the pitch well and contributed. Not his best game by a long stretch, but he was far from the liability that some are saying he was.

 

[Keenst]

He just seemed nervous which is totally understandable. His talent is obvious. Not every youngster adapts to the first team so quickly so just need to be patient with him.

 

[Esquire]

Didnt look a pen to me. There was very, very minor contact with the player before TFM made solid contact on the ball. The initial contact (on the player) was absolutely not enough to justify a pen though. Still from the refs POV it probably looked worse than it was.

I didnt think TFM had as bad a game as many are making out. He got up and down the pitch well and contributed. Not his best game by a long stretch, but he was far from the liability that some are saying he was.

I watched the game and whilst he was not outstanding like the other couple of games he was in, he certainly held his own and didn't have a horrid game. He did have a couple of bad passes going forward (obviously he was having a head rush) and needs to reign in his very aggressive marking and tackling though. Once he does that, watch out.

 

[Kag]

He gave the referee a decision to make, ultimately. In general, the timing of his tackling is absolutely brilliant. That he actually managed to come away with ball having missed at the first attempt was impressive in itself.

I wouldn't worry about him in the slightest.

 

[Red_toad]

Didnt look a pen to me. There was very, very minor contact with the player before TFM made solid contact on the ball. The initial contact (on the player) was absolutely not enough to justify a pen though. Still from the refs POV it probably looked worse than it was.

I didnt think TFM had as bad a game as many are making out. He got up and down the pitch well and contributed. Not his best game by a long stretch, but he was far from the liability that some are saying he was.

Took the player then the ball. It was a clear penalty, tad rash going in, wasn't really necessary to go sliding in. But as he's a teenager, part of a learning process.

 

[Walrus]

Took the player then the ball. It was a clear penalty, tad rash going in, wasn't really necessary to go sliding in. But as he's a teenager, part of a learning process.

"Took the player" is an exaggeration. The contact on the player was very minimal and not sufficient to cause the player to go down/lose their balance etc. People forget that football is (for now) a contact sport.

 

[wiz4231]

"Took the player" is an exaggeration. The contact on the player was very minimal and not sufficient to cause the player to go down/lose their balance etc. People forget that football is (for now) a contact sport.

I agree but like the other guy said he gave the referee a decision to make, unfortunately it was not the correct decision. You could say he was rash an all (we slated Rafa for far less against Vardy I believe) but it's part of learning, going to ground in the box is always risky, it would have been better for him to stay on his feet and I'm sure he's know that now.

 

[Walrus]

I agree but like the other guy said he gave the referee a decision to make, unfortunately it was not the correct decision. You could say he was rash an all (we slated Rafa for far less against Vardy I believe) but it's part of learning, going to ground in the box is always risky, it would have been better for him to stay on his feet and I'm sure he's know that now.

Cant really argue with that, although I never slated Rafael for that 'tackle' on Vardy (nor for his red card against Bayern for that matter).

 

[Ibi Dreams]

It was one of the most stonewall looking non-penalties ever At first glance it looked like there was no way it was a clean challenge, I can't really blame the referee

 

[Dante]

This is a freeze frame from BEFORE Fosu-Mensah touches the ball. He clearly goes through Barkley to get it.

 

[Walrus]

In that freeze frame he isnt making any contact with the player though. Pretty much goes against the definition of 'going through the player'.

 

[limerickcitykid]

Wrapping your leg around and getting the ball before making any contact with the player is anything but going through the player. The only contact he makes with Barkley before the ball is the initial slight coming together of feet.

Simply the only way you can say it is a foul is because of a dangerous scissor action. There is no going through the player because that just didn't happen.

 

[Smores]

Wrapping your leg around and getting the ball before making any contact with the player is anything but going through the player. The only contact he makes with Barkley before the ball is the initial slight coming together of feet.

Simply the only way you can say it is a foul is because of a dangerous scissor action. There is no going through the player because that just didn't happen.

I assumed the penalty was given for the scissor to be honest. It was a naive action from TFM but he's young so no one's going to hold that against him.

I really want to keep seeing this lad involved as with experience he could be immense.

 

[Zoo]

It wasn't a pen but he took a risk there. Gave a freekick away not long after and it was the right decision to bring him off. Just nerves, he'll have gained a lot from this.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

It wasn't a pen but he took a risk there. Gave a freekick away not long after and it was the right decision to bring him off. Just nerves, he'll have gained a lot from this.

Biggest game of his career to date and he was superb.Confidence was dipping a bit so yeah, the right sub at the right time

 

[Golden Nugget]

This is a freeze frame from BEFORE Fosu-Mensah touches the ball. He clearly goes through Barkley to get it.

Hope you're being sarcastic because it shows that he clearly goes around Barkley to get a touch on the ball. Brilliant tackle

 

[Silverman]

Wasn't a penalty imo and I thought he played well. I don't think he should be played at full back. He would be far better at CB or DM.

 

[Sigma]

Wasn't a penalty imo and I thought he played well. I don't think he should be played at full back. He would be far better at CB or DM.

It was only for a few minutes at the end of the game but he looked very good when he was playing in CM.

 

[Sandikan]

didn't see it live as was battling the toilet queues at Wembley, but on watching it back it's an incredible decision from the ref.

You have to be sure, they tell refs, but instead he's gambled that It was a foul. All from about 1metre away, amazing.

Good job that didn't cost us.

Can't blame him for not seeing Jagielka handle it on the line, that was quite well concealed from his view.

Great chant afterwards, "let's go Fosu - Mensah" genius.

 

[lem8sh]

This is a freeze frame from BEFORE Fosu-Mensah touches the ball. He clearly goes through Barkley to get it.

Maybe you used the wrong picture.

 

[Sepukku]

Anyone thinks he was nervous during the game because of this?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...ith-French-fancy-Eglantine-Flore-Aguilar.html

 

[izec]

Anyone thinks he was nervous during the game because of this?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...ith-French-fancy-Eglantine-Flore-Aguilar.html

Didnt seem to affect Tony Martial, but he seems more experienced

 

[izec]

She isnt that hot by the way, i am sure he/they can score higher.

 

[Giant Midget]

Anyone thinks he was nervous during the game because of this?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...ith-French-fancy-Eglantine-Flore-Aguilar.html

He could have pretty much any girl he wants and this is what he goes for?

 

[Devil81]

In fairness he wasn't looking for a girlfriend, he was looking for a threesome with his mate.

I'm pretty certain she meets the standard for that.

 

[Brophs]

Why do footballers seem so keen to have their mates in the room when they're getting their end away? It's weird as shit.

 

[Red_toad]

Wrapping your leg around and getting the ball before making any contact with the player is anything but going through the player. The only contact he makes with Barkley before the ball is the initial slight coming together of feet.

Simply the only way you can say it is a foul is because of a dangerous scissor action. There is no going through the player because that just didn't happen.

He made contact with Barkley well before he got the ball. Thus it is a foul, the referee was 100% correct with his decision.
Makes no odds how slight the contact was, there was contact. TFM should have staying on his feet. I'm sure this will be part of his learning process.

 

[Gerald G]

He seemed nervous last night to me but that penalty decision was incorrect in my opinion. In saying that, I think it was the correct call to take him off.

 

[Adam-Utd]

He made contact with Barkley well before he got the ball. Thus it is a foul, the referee was 100% correct with his decision.
Makes no odds how slight the contact was, there was contact. TFM should have staying on his feet. I'm sure this will be part of his learning process.

Just because his foot slightly brushed him doesn't mean it's a foul for god sake. He won the ball fair and square. Yes going around him to get the ball was risky, but it was a perfectly legit tackle. The ref gambled and was pressured by the Everton fans behind the goal.

 

[Joemo]

Makes no odds how slight the contact was, there was contact.

Contact doesn't equate to a foul or a penalty.

 

[Walrus]

He made contact with Barkley well before he got the ball. Thus it is a foul, the referee was 100% correct with his decision.
Makes no odds how slight the contact was, there was contact. TFM should have staying on his feet. I'm sure this will be part of his learning process.

If this was the rule then we would see around a dozen penalties per game. Any sort of contact between opposing players in the box = foul...think about it a bit.

 

[Red_toad]

Just because his foot slightly brushed him doesn't mean it's a foul for god sake. He won the ball fair and square. Yes going around him to get the ball was risky, but it was a perfectly legit tackle. The ref gambled and was pressured by the Everton fans behind the goal.

Contact doesn't equate to a foul or a penalty.

If this was the rule then we would see around a dozen penalties per game. Any sort of contact between opposing players in the box = foul...think about it a bit.

He slid in, his legs impeded the attackers legs, the attacker went over his legs before he made contact with the ball. It was a penalty. Had it been a perfect tackle, he'd have won the ball prior to making contact with the player.
Is like reading a RAWK thread in here. The lad was wrong, yet there is a band defending him, like he was the victim. Go watch a slow mo reply guys this is getting embarrassing.

 

[Walrus]

He slid in, his legs impeded the attackers legs, the attacker went over his legs before he made contact with the ball. It was a penalty. Had it been a perfect tackle, he'd have won the ball prior to making contact with the player.
Is like reading a RAWK thread in here. The lad was wrong, yet there is a band defending him, like he was the victim. Go watch a slow mo reply guys this is getting embarrassing.

Nonsense of the highest order. Just because there is contact does not automatically mean it is a foul. The contact was not sufficient to impede the attacker or cause him to go down.

 

[Shiva87]

I thought it was a brilliant tackle. If the ref had the benefit of TV replays, it wouldn't have been given. He realized he is missing with the first one, stopped himself, and in mid tackle - moved into a second tackle and won the ball (when it would have been a clear chance for the opponent to score if he'd missed).

The follow through after the second tackle was bad - and the ref probably saw that. Gave a pen - fair enough. But this is why football begs for technology to come in. If the Captain (for e.g) had the ability to challenge the decision, it could have been reversed. Tennis and cricket have this challenge structure - why can't football. Will give much fairer results. Giving 1 challenge for each half to each captain won't be that big a deal - or "slow the game down".

 

[Ducklegs]

He slid in, his legs impeded the attackers legs, the attacker went over his legs before he made contact with the ball. It was a penalty. Had it been a perfect tackle, he'd have won the ball prior to making contact with the player.
Is like reading a RAWK thread in here. The lad was wrong, yet there is a band defending him, like he was the victim. Go watch a slow mo reply guys this is getting embarrassing.

You've fallen into the real of commentators and ex players commentary there.

The LAWS of the game (not rules) state:

http://www.thefa.com/football-rules...ball-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct.aspx

It says nothing about making contact with with the ball or player first, nor does it say that the mere act of mistiming a tackle is a penalty.

 

[golden_blunder]

In fairness even van gaal said he had no complaints about the penalty

 

[SirAF]

Why do footballers seem so keen to have their mates in the room when they're getting their end away? It's weird as shit.

This

 

[Red_toad]

Nonsense of the highest order. Just because there is contact does not automatically mean it is a foul. The contact was not sufficient to impede the attacker or cause him to go down.

How exactly do you know there was not sufficient force to bring him down? Please explain how you 100% know for sure?

I'd have been pissed if United not been given a spot kick from a similar rash tackle. Watched numerous replays & he kicks his foot in the first attempt at winning the ball, before his scissor kick where he wins the ball. For me it was a penalty, for the ref it was a penalty, Mensah himself knew it was a penalty & Van Gaal didn't say anything against the decision. Obviously we're all missing something you've seen?

 

[Adam-Utd]

How exactly do you know there was not sufficient force to bring him down? Please explain how you 100% know for sure?

I'd have been pissed if United not been given a spot kick from a similar rash tackle. Watched numerous replays & he kicks his foot in the first attempt at winning the ball, before his scissor kick where he wins the ball. For me it was a penalty, for the ref it was a penalty, Mensah himself knew it was a penalty & Van Gaal didn't say anything against the decision. Obviously we're all missing something you've seen?

Because he hardly even touches him until the ball has already gone! That tiny brush on his foot isn't going to take him down, he had Herrera practically hanging off his back to take him down later on.

I can see why the refs given it, he's gambled that he went through Barkley to touch the ball, but that didn't happen.

He must learn to not use the scissor action in the future though, u21s you could get away with it but prem refs hate that.