Any Bundesliga watchers care to comment on Werner? Almost all of the posts here are useless "my club's member is bigger, harder and lasts longer than yours" types. Haven't got any information about the player yet. 
Timo Werner to Spurs?
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If Spurs replace Mason with a quality midfielder (nothing against him, but he's probably a 3rd or more likely 4th CM on a top 4 side) they have a chance at the top 4 this year if everyone stays healthy. They need a real partner for Bentaleb and considering that Paulinho, Capoue and Stambouli have all left this summer I think they still might.
Their front 4 has had a year to get some chemistry and while Chadli will likely regress, Eriksen and Lamela can do better.
Talented player. At 8mil, it can't really go wrong.
For the Spurs vs United transfer bitch fight, feck off to some other thread. It's tiresome.
For the Spurs vs United transfer bitch fight, feck off to some other thread. It's tiresome.
Ancient history? You need to understand that there is only one player in your current squad we maybe interested in and he is just a one seaon wonder so far. I would not get on my high horse Glaston if I were you. You will be selling your best asset pretty soon. To us or Real or any other top club, that is up for discussion. Not the fact that you will sell him.
Thing is Glastonspur Spurs win nowt with older players either!
Be a good option for a Kane, chadli Werner front three. All three have goals in them. Will allow eriksen to play deeper and not as a winger as well, where he can maybe finally show his true potential.
The move would be too early for him. There's no doubt he's a talented player, but he isn't good enough to start for Spurs and you need games at that age to develop.Any Bundesliga watchers care to comment on Werner? Almost all of the posts here are useless "my club's member is bigger, harder and lasts longer than yours" types. Haven't got any information about the player yet.
He played centre forward for the German youth teams and has been moved out wide for Stuttgart's senior side. His strengths are his pace and goalscoring ability. I think James Wilson is a good comparison; similar players at a similar point in their development, although Werner has more top level experience.
Lamela?
In 13/14 after 4-5 games he became a regular for a struggling Stuttgart team. He was one of few positives in a dysfunctional team. He showed glimpses of brilliance, but was fairly inconsistent after an initial spell of ~10 games (at least that is my memory).
In 14/15 Stuttgart still sucked badly. He was a starter from day one but didn´t impress.
Overall Stuttgart wasn´t a good club for a youngster. They changed their manager several times and had no structure at all. They lacked leadership, tactics and individual quality. The expectation that a 17/18 year old lad should be performing under such circumstances is crazy.
Werner is very athletic with a good combination of strength, speed, agility and good skills on the ball. He could become a top-class wide forward. He played a couple of times as central forward, but he has to learn quite a bit to make this work. Despite his last season he is still one of the most talented german players of his age.
At this point in his career it is very important to play first team football as a regular in a functional team. Just training won´t help him after almost two seasons of first league football. Stuttgart hired a new manager who should be good at working with youngsters. He should stay there for another year before looking for his next step. Its not ideal but better than most realistic alternatives. Spurs should only buy him if they plan to use him frequently and I just don´t see that. It is not impossible, that he improves enough to be a starter, but the most likely outcome is him being benched for a year.
In 14/15 Stuttgart still sucked badly. He was a starter from day one but didn´t impress.
Overall Stuttgart wasn´t a good club for a youngster. They changed their manager several times and had no structure at all. They lacked leadership, tactics and individual quality. The expectation that a 17/18 year old lad should be performing under such circumstances is crazy.
Werner is very athletic with a good combination of strength, speed, agility and good skills on the ball. He could become a top-class wide forward. He played a couple of times as central forward, but he has to learn quite a bit to make this work. Despite his last season he is still one of the most talented german players of his age.
At this point in his career it is very important to play first team football as a regular in a functional team. Just training won´t help him after almost two seasons of first league football. Stuttgart hired a new manager who should be good at working with youngsters. He should stay there for another year before looking for his next step. Its not ideal but better than most realistic alternatives. Spurs should only buy him if they plan to use him frequently and I just don´t see that. It is not impossible, that he improves enough to be a starter, but the most likely outcome is him being benched for a year.
Thanks for the insights.
I would say, however, that Spurs in recent seasons have become a club with a very good track record for developing young players and giving them more playing opportunities than many other clubs: the very young average age of the squad points to this. Bentaleb, for example, has been a first team regular for the last 12 months ... and he's only 18 months older than Werner.
Playing in the Europa League will give Werner additional playing chances compared to Stuttgart. And I believe that Poch will try him out in some league games too ... and be quite willing to see him displace Chadli in the first XI if performances merit this.
I once interviewed spousal abuse victims for a paper I wrote, and just about every one of them were like "he's changed now, he's in anger management therapy and he doesn't drink as much." Then a week, a month, a year later; blamo! It just occurred to me that supporting Spurs must feel an awful lot like that.
If Carlsberg did stupid posts ...
If he really wants to try something new in a foreign country, Spurs would be one of the best clubs to do so. Poch is a fantastic manager and he gives young players a fair chance. Its still a gamble; one that he doesn´t need to take next year. The transfer would make sense for Spurs, because bigger clubs might be interested in him, when he lives up to his talent.
..you'd have one hulluva endorsement deal. Probably.
Says the poster who spouts bizarrely about battered wives in a thread concerning Timo Werner.
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FFS, Werner. Tottenham is a good challenge for him, imo.
This post smh.@GlastonSpur I saw him play on the left, do you think that there is room for him there?
There's certainly room for him to compete with Chadli for that starting spot. I'm sure he'd be given chances to stake his claim.
That's a good thing then, because he could be Kane's deputy but at the same in competition for the left wing. Hopefully he doesn't do a Holtby and shows his potential in the premier league.
I could drag the Holocaust into a cupcake thread, it still wouldn't be half as bizarre as your ubiquitous grandiose delusions regarding Spurs' future. For the record, I quite like Spurs, I hate you less than most people do around here and I wouldn't mind if your predictions of regular CL footie and the financial power to tango with the big boys came true. But they won't. And it's obvious.
I have never predicted "regular CL footie", so your claim of "grandiose delusions" falls flat on it's arse.
So far in this thread you've introduced the subject of battered wives, Real Madrid, Keane, the Holocaust, hate, Saha, cupcakes and Cantona ... all quite apart from making a false claim.
Now, if you have some comments to actually make about Timo Werner, then I'm sure we're all eagerly awaiting your brilliant insights.
And yet, in context, all of those subjects were constructive inasmuch as they were used to make a (albeit flippant) point. But then your disregard of context is what got us into this mess in the first place. Specifically, Spurs' standing in the context of English and European football at large. What on earth makes you think Tottenham's days of being a potential feeder-club for the major clubs, including us, are over? The rich get richer, the gap widens, we're certainly in a much healthier position now than we were the last time we signed your star man du jour (reduced debt, 130M increase in annual commercial revenue (a figure which is so unprecedented that I wouldn't be surprised if Spurs' corresponding number is around 1/10th of that)), so I ask in all honesty and humility; what possesses you to claim with such certainty that our signing your top players is "ancient history" (
btw) and that "them days are long gone"..? I just can't wrap my head around it. I suppose the new stadium will boost your match-day revenue long-term, but you'll have to pay for it first and you'll still be nowhere near the biggest clubs' total revenue. So even though you're the one who made this thread about something more than a specific player in the OP, I'll indulge your request for a brilliant insight regarding Timo Werner: If he is as talented as some posters seem to believe - and he fulfills his potential - he won't be at Tottenham for long.And yet, in context, all of those subjects were constructive inasmuch as they were used to make a (albeit flippant) point. But then your disregard of context is what got us into this mess in the first place. Specifically, Spurs' standing in the context of English and European football at large. What on earth makes you think Tottenham's days of being a potential feeder-club for the major clubs, including us, are over? The rich get richer, the gap widens, we're certainly in a much healthier position now than we were the last time we signed your star man du jour (reduced debt, 130M increase in annual commercial revenue (a figure which is so unprecedented that I wouldn't be surprised if Spurs' corresponding number is around 1/10th of that)), so I ask in all honesty and humility; what possesses you to claim with such certainty that our signing your top players is "ancient history" (
So your comment about Werner - when it finally arrives - is not really about the player himself, but is instead just grist to your mill concerning Spurs as a selling club. Well done ... we all now, as a result of your brilliant contribution, know so such more about this potential transfer.
Btw - all clubs are selling clubs if enough money is offered and/or a player wants to leave: RM sold you di Maria, you sold them Ronaldo, Arsenal sold Nasri .... and so it continues on. The only difference as far as Spurs are concerned is that we will - as a matter of club policy - no longer sell any player (that we would otherwise wish to keep) to a Prem rival - which means any of the usual top 6 clubs. Berbatov was the last and that was many years ago.
I won't comment further about this here since it's been discussed in other threads. So if you want to comment further please make it about the potential Werner deal.
You accepted our bid for Bale.
I don't doubt you'll go through great lengths to sell abroad as oppose to a prem "rival" though, as shown with your dealing of Modric when Chelsea were after him.
I don't doubt you'll go through great lengths to sell abroad as oppose to a prem "rival" though, as shown with your dealing of Modric when Chelsea were after him.
Glaston is a legend, some kind of masochist or something. Much love my friend.
Thank you. Looks like it's best if he stays where he is then.
Ha, sorry, my poor opinion of him caused me to forget he's even in the squad! Hell have to fight with Werner for that place, so hopefully it may actually bring the best out of him!
Werner is horribly overrated in FM. He is a decent young player with some potential but nothing more.