new episode coming out
https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/tiger-king-joe-exotic-new-episode-1234571336/
https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/tiger-king-joe-exotic-new-episode-1234571336/
Television Tiger King (Netflix Documentary)
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I rewatched the Louis Theroux doc featuring Joe Exotic, I have to say the era of Netflix docuseries sadly really puts Louis' one off episodes to shame a bit.
That's true but if you are innocent, the tendency is to want to jump up and down to prove it. If it becomes known that she declined a polygraph after having had a chance to take one, it just looks incredibly bad and will probably continue to fuel public sentiment against her.
Sure, but that decline can't really be used as evidence in any way or form. If she did it or even if she didn't do it (and the risk is still there of a false positive) - the outcome can be used against her in an evidence gathering exercise? It would just seem far too risky in my opinion.
If I were in her shoes and I was innocent I'm unsure if I'd do it too. In any case the person would be advised to seek consultation from their attorney first, so it seems likely Carole has done the same and acted accordingly.
I didn't miss it, that was why I replied. Bigger than what? The first episode was basically about how shit he treated everyone. He was a complete shitshow throughout the whole thing.
Of course he shot animals. It's common sense that if you're keeping a lot of animals you'll have to euthanize a part of them for various reasons. Normally you'd get a vet to do it but bumfeck America ain't doing that. Dude had hundreds of tigers, of couse they were treated poorly.
I don't know what more you want. Every one of those things were showed. Not just talked about (expect the shooting) but showed. I watched the whole thing thinking this guy is one of the craziest people I've seen. He knew it himself. Said so at the end that he was a piece of shit for everything he's done. Bitter of course because he wanted everyone to go down with him.
I don’t get why you want to argue about this
Especially with such bad points.
I think he was a bigger cnut than what was portrayed in the doco. More information has come to light since from people involved and that so many people feel sorry for him at the end is why. That’s it. It clearly glossed over the mistreatment, despite it being mentioned.
Also it’s not just dying animals he killed. There’s a video in this very thread talking about it. He shot a tiger because he didn’t like it. And someone’s horse he promised to look after.
I'm not arguing, I'm just wondering why you think it was glossed over when it was all there. I don't understand why you don't think that it didn't show him to be a massive piece of shit.I don’t get why you want to argue about this
Especially with such bad points.
I think he was a bigger cnut than what was portrayed in the doco. More information has come to light since from people involved and that so many people feel sorry for him at the end is why. That’s it. It clearly glossed over the mistreatment, despite it being mentioned.
Also it’s not just dying animals he killed. There’s a video in this very thread talking about it. He shot a tiger because he didn’t like it. And someone’s horse he promised to look after.
People that feel sorry for him are weird. You have to release the doc sometime and it did end by saying that the FBI weren't done and then the closing captions said that Doc Antle got raided by the FBI but he wasn't as interesting as Joe and not the focus to no point on going more on about it. I'm sure there are weirdos that feel sorry for him because they were charmed and thought "he wasn't that bad" but I also think that people just feel Joe was "hard done by" in that sense that he was the only one that went to prison but that was also addressed. If they are building a bigger case against Jeff then him getting off makes sense but it feels like the handyman that was supposed to be the hitman should not get scot-free but the US justice system is flawed that way.
I do think that. I've been saying that all along. I also think it over just how big of one he was.
I guess we have just different barometeres for rating shits then.
I don't think you're quite getting it. It's obvious he was all the things portrayed in the documentary. They only mention some things once or twice though, then swiftly moved on. The point isn't what conclusion you came to from that, but the focus. They also didn't mention some things that would have made him look even worse, hence he's an even bigger cnut than what it shows. I really don't think there's anything to prove me wrong about.
I liked how when he was paying for his gun ammo he was casually asked "Do you need any explosives with that?". 'Merica is a bizarre yet fascinating place.
This is actually his own zoo promo video. Kind of highlights the gulf between the US and the rest of the western world on many issues and what happens when you let idiots do what they want
John Finlay got a new set of teeth if you want to google him. He looks much better.
I personally thought he was one of the few decent people in the show.
I personally thought he was one of the few decent people in the show.
I thought the former cult/harem woman seemed incredibly normal considering she used to be in a cult/harem.
One of the replies.
It's like a different world, especially those redneck areas.
Crazy to think that Joe was a police officer at one point too.
My nightmare is living in those areas because of the crazy people there.
Really highlights what a weird place America is. The difference between those places and the major cities is crazy. Is there anywhere in the world with a wider spectrum of people and places?
The most shocking part of the entire show was the footage from the office camera where Travis accidentally killed himself. I’m surprised they included that without some sort of warning. Wasn’t expecting it at all, one of the most intense things I’ve seen on TV.
It would be terrifying. Even worse if you had different colour skin to them. I don't like Carole but imagine being her and some loon is constantly threatening you making videos of you being shot, blown up, etc.
I can't think of any in so-called civilised places.
Started watching it today, it’s insane. What is actually the difference between what Carole is doing and what Joe and Doc are doing?
I don't know if there is a difference. But Joe clearly stated that he had to do the tiger cub thingy to keep the park alive. But it seems like pissing your pants during winter time... More tigers equals more bills to pay.
Just think about it... 1200 animals. It's insane.
Also you guys should watch Louis Therouxs BBC documentary: Americas most dangerous pets. Joe is the main man in that one as well.
I always find the statistic that there are more tigers in captivity in US alone (~5000-10000) than in the wild in the whole world (~4000) amazing.
Finished it today. Fecking insane. Unbelievable morons they are. Carol most definitely killed her husband. And she was a manipulative bitch. Maybe even a worse caretaker for tigers then Joe. Joe was just a massive dumbass most of the time. That funeral part just made me hate him so much, lying his ass off to gain for himself, the mother should have shot gunned his ass. Only guy I liked was Allen. Seemed like the only guy who had some sense in him even if he's a hit nuts.
Antel was a fecking strange one.
Carol Baskins husband looks like he keeps his balls in her handbag. Smart though. Ride that money train or be tiger food.
Antel was a fecking strange one.
Carol Baskins husband looks like he keeps his balls in her handbag
. Smart though. Ride that money train or be tiger food.I think the main difference is that Carole doesn't let people pet the cubs. She's still horrible for keeping those animals in small enclosures and playing it off as if she's saving them though, while still profiting off visitors. Not to mention the whole husband murdering thing.
It’s not weird, he’s the Standard anti hero. Who’s flaws and horrific behaviours are sort of ignored because he’s a great character. Everyone likes Tony Soprano, The Joker, Tony Montana, Stone Cold Steve Austin. They’re all wankers. Yes these are fictional characters but the way people respond to them is the same way they’ll respond to someone like Joe. He was clearly a gigantic cnut but he wore his heart on his sleeve and unlike Jeff and Carol he wasn’t a Completely unlike able personality vacuum. Everyone loves an anti hero.
People like fictional anti-heroes. People don't like mob bosses or mass murderers in real life. I get liking something because of their entertainment value but seriously believing that he doesn't deserve to be in prison is delusion.
Then there's this on top of it all:
I agree with this.
Only on episode three and yes it is amazing television . There is nothing stranger than the truth .
As for the Carole storyline I'm just trying to understand what sort of guy who when he first meets a woman gives her a gun to point at him before he can talk to her
As for the Carole storyline I'm just trying to understand what sort of guy who when he first meets a woman gives her a gun to point at him before he can talk to her
People like fictional anti-heroes. People don't like mob bosses or mass murderers in real life. I get liking something because of their entertainment value but seriously believing that he doesn't deserve to be in prison is delusion.
Then there's this on top of it all:
Well yeah, but Joe was put onto a big screen with all his eccentric behaviours coming to light. I doubt before this anyone saw and read about what he did and then ‘liked’ him. But there are films about Ted Bundy, Bonnie and Clyde, Henry Hill etc. These people are real and did horrendous things but people watch these characters with an invested interest and there’s a reason why.
As for the Carol stuff, again the problem with her even if in the end she was the least worse of a bad bunch it was the way she came across. Nothing she did or said felt genuine and she was riddled with hypocrisies. She was also completely calculated and ruthless (going after people’s mums) and I dunno the idea that she was the victim in that relationship with Don Lewis seems a stretch regardless of age, doesn’t appear to have been subjected to abuse and she left with a multi million pound empire, hardly the struggles of a domestic victim. She tried to present herself as heroic and noble whereas the others didn’t and were aware of the fact they were shits. People generally don’t like people who are like this.
She does have a good point about the that last part. It seems fecking weird to be fair. She did kill his ass though.People like fictional anti-heroes. People don't like mob bosses or mass murderers in real life. I get liking something because of their entertainment value but seriously believing that he doesn't deserve to be in prison is delusion.
Then there's this on top of it all:
The big deal for me was that she was on VHS basically doing exactly what the others were doing in terms of separating out the young animals and selling for profit. She could have changed since but a leopard doesnt change its spots............
Yeah I watch that stuff as well but at no point do I root for those people. I can understand what's behind Joe's behavior somewhat and it's sad because he started out with good intentions but he evolved into a scumbag
Carole was 19 year old blonde in distress walking the streets when this old rich guy picked her up when he was just "driving around". Sounds like a textbook rapist to me, at least only a highly dubious personality would do something like that.
She came off as weird and eccentric. She had the characteristics of a woman who'd gone through abuse who coped with nervous laughter.
She came after the owner of the zoo. It's not her fault that Joe was a cnut that ruined his own mother.
You think she was not victim of the abuse but you belive that she murdered her husband just for the money? Which of the two is the bigger stretch here in this scenario?
People don't like her because she was a weird woman. Rooting for Joe and parroting "Carole Baskin is a bitch" is just typical sexism that you see all the time online from pathetic losers.
Joe and Doc bred tigers. That's worse than any of it. Carole doesn't do that, she takes in the cats because the only alternative is 1) to euthanize and 2) probably partly a front for her cat loving. Basically she's having her cake (getting to be around big cats) whilst eating it too (trying to getting it all banned).
Has she even said that she was abused by the disappeared husband?
Carole being involved in his death is a theory thought to be possible by many people, including those close to the situation and even Don’s family.
Don Lewis being a textbook rapist is a theory you’ve seemingly pulled of our your ass.
I know which is the bigger stretch.
Carole f##### Baskin