We may not let things fester the way you lot do but the idea managers get sacked at the first sign of trouble simply isn't true.
Thomas Tuchel | Gone to & from Bayern (In Summer)
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Tuchel was considered one of the best tactical brains in Germany, and his Dortmund team were as good as any Dortmund teams ever, factoring in the lesser talent at his disposal.
Klopp won 2 Bundesliga's - in the first, LVG's Bayern finished 3rd in 2011 after BVB and Leverkusen. Then the following year with Heynckes Bayern came second in the league and lost to Chelsea in the CL final.
Klopp was competing and beating Bayern, but once they got their got their shit together under Heynckes and Guardiola, Klopp was always a distant second.
I disagree
If their form continues, they'll sack him, get a bounce, win a major title and onto next season.
It's brewing. Just need them to carry this on after the New Year for when we visit them. A crushing defeat there from us and Roman won't feck around to pull the trigger. Saying that, they'd likely hire an interim and pull off another miracle European cup win or better win the double the lucky fecks.
You hope United are monitoring a manager who's failing?
I admire what Tuchel has done at Chelsea but wanting him to do badly so he gets the sack so we hire him is a weird series of events to wish for
We kept Sarri and gave him until the end of the season after 4 and 6 nil loses in the space of two weeks. Things aren't even close to that type of peril.
It would take a Mou esque collapse for him not to get the same.
Failing
. Anything other than first place from start to finish is a failure to you? Pretty high standards. Yeah , I hope Roman jumps the gun and we hire him afterwards.Will he ever recover from drawing against Carrick?
Today it hurt less because I already understood that this team is far from being able to compete for first place
11 goals conceded in the last 6 games.
Inability to finish plays, poor game construction, unacceptable lack of concentration.
Things that have been repeated in every game.
If I've figured that out, I want to believe Tuchel too.
So how about making some decisions that are taking a long time?
How about trying another way to play?
There are players who cannot play anymore.
There is no justification for seeing Saul again in the field.
How about betting on some more young people?
Those who want to leave the club and those who are sleeping in the field stay on the bench or leave the club already in January.
We have a good margin to secure a place in the top 4 and start something different.
Let's look ahead, because perpetuating this will be unbearable agony, come on Tuchel!
11 goals conceded in the last 6 games.
Inability to finish plays, poor game construction, unacceptable lack of concentration.
Things that have been repeated in every game.
If I've figured that out, I want to believe Tuchel too.
So how about making some decisions that are taking a long time?
How about trying another way to play?
There are players who cannot play anymore.
There is no justification for seeing Saul again in the field.
How about betting on some more young people?
Those who want to leave the club and those who are sleeping in the field stay on the bench or leave the club already in January.
We have a good margin to secure a place in the top 4 and start something different.
Let's look ahead, because perpetuating this will be unbearable agony, come on Tuchel!
Failing
I'm using your logic pal. You hope Chelsea continue to do bad so he gets the sack so we can hire him, it's a strange thing to hope to see
Welcome to the top 4 race, Tommy!
Flame me for this comment but lukaku will be the signing that kills tuchel
He’s not good enough and he never will be (lukaku not tuchel)
I Like tuchel a lot and he will do well just not with lukaku as the main man .
Before anyone spits I’m aware lukaku isn’t playing at the moment
He’s not good enough and he never will be (lukaku not tuchel)
I Like tuchel a lot and he will do well just not with lukaku as the main man .
Before anyone spits I’m aware lukaku isn’t playing at the moment
If they finish top 3 , and Roman sacks him, do you think that would be a failure for him or not? Because in my opinion it won't be a failure, but a rash decison from the owner, something that is to be expected anyway
No trouble yet.
Where was Lukaku today?
Pointing at the walls in his house probably.
Covid along with 4 others. We still had plenty of players available to win this given Everton’s woes. Tuchel has been slowly giving Lukaku minutes after his injury and now covid.
The mean reversion has started. Still the side with the highest xG and xGA overperformance in the top third of the table.
Losing his lustre already. How predictable. He doesn't come across well when he's losing. He'll start wearing a shirt and tie soon to show how serious he is.
#TuchelOut is already on the fingertips of the plastic massive
Safe to say that Carricks United started the slide
If you keep relying on defenders and Jorginho penalty to score goals or save you points then eventually the luck will run out.
If he finished top three and is sacked it will be performance based not results based.
Says more about those metrics than anything really.
Saul left Atletico and is playing for Chelsea
I'm living under a rock since I stopped playing FIFA...
It says they're a very good team but that they aren't as good as Liverpool and City, so when variance starts going the other way, you'll notice it in the league table to even out. The metrics are pretty much the best metrics out there, and they are metrics that Tuchel himself uses all the time (and has been vocal about them).
No? We're definitely one extreme but I think you're the other. You were right to sack Mourinho and Conte seemed to want to leave but most of your other managers were sacked before most other clubs would sack them.
They were almost 3.5 - 0.5 xG wise today, yeah okay things will revert to the mean a bit but it was just one of those games.
Agree that they're a notch below Pool and City.
That's the point though? Things tend to even out over time. Regression will eventually come in games like today. They won a few games where they didn't deserve it, they'll lose some they deserve to win and in the end over a long enough period they'll likely be pretty close to their xG. Today of course they deserved to win, but like I said, they grinded out some other wins, so a run like this was coming.
Just a barren run. They will recover.
Hasn’t Lukaku actually been very good for them when he has played, can’t hold that against him I don’t think yet.
He's been shit
16 games 5 goals. Hasn't scored in EPL since September
Apparently he's still adapting to English football
They need Lukaku to win it. His injury has really stopped them.
They can still win CL. I think they are a good cup team.
They can still win CL. I think they are a good cup team.
If I were Tuchel, I would sell Lukaku in winter, the day he got back from injury the team performance started to deteriorate.
It shows how different is to win a league from a cup. I don't think Chelsea are good/consistent enough to win a league at this moment but I do think they can win the UCL again if that makes sense.
KO tournaments are defined by specific moments while leagues, specially ones with teams so consistent like City, demand you to be almost perfect for the whole season.
KO tournaments are defined by specific moments while leagues, specially ones with teams so consistent like City, demand you to be almost perfect for the whole season.
Disagree with this,
Chelsea's frontline isn't as good as Liverpool's, but the midfield is stacked, options running right through the squad, Pulisic, Kante, Kovacic, Jorginho, Mount to name a selection.
Same with defence, Silva, Rudiger, James, Chilwell, Christensen, Alonso, Azpilicueta, they are some stunning options,
Chelsea's squad as a whole is second to City in terms of quality in depth for me,
Chelsea, I hear Ole is out of a job..
To me they look most convincing going forward when Mount is playing as a 10 and moving side to side and getting into half spaces. If I was Tuchel I'd be tempted to throw Lukaku and whoever's in form properly up top and try to bully and stretch teams up there a little, with Mount having lots of space to create and link up with the fullbacks and Jorginho.
I won't be surprised if this summer they sell Werner and one of Ziyech or Pulisic and buy another proper forward so it's more like Inter's 3-5-2 was for him. Their wingers and wide forwards all seem to struggle in the system and they're not bad players, obviously. My guess is they'll go for Haaland but he'll turn up his nose at going to a team with Lukaku already but buy another forward.
I won't be surprised if this summer they sell Werner and one of Ziyech or Pulisic and buy another proper forward so it's more like Inter's 3-5-2 was for him. Their wingers and wide forwards all seem to struggle in the system and they're not bad players, obviously. My guess is they'll go for Haaland but he'll turn up his nose at going to a team with Lukaku already but buy another forward.
Why isn't Kante playing?