Better him than Mane tbh.
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Are you sure though???
This is the only guy who will make up for all the fiasco. If we get him, it would be worth ignoring Pedro obviously.
forget about merchandise - after Schweinsteiger, he's not going because of club identity.
Also, 120€ million is a ridiculous amount of money. No player is worth that. Or even 100€ million. I'm not buying into the whole philosophy about merchandise making up for it, either. Players should not be bought because they sell jerseys, they should be bought because they are worth that much money on the field. And right now I don't see any player anywhere on the globe worth that amount of money based on his merits on the pitch alone.
If Bayern won't sell for 100€ million, it's my honest opinion that United should look elsewhere and take an alternative for probably far less money. Especially reading this forum I get the feeling that some people really prefer just buying finished products rather than investing half the money and a season or two to build up a young player into a super star. You did so well with Christiano Ronaldo, I'm sure you can find another gem in smaller leagues. Like the dutch league, they never cease to amaze me.
No offence but your opinion on a players value doesn't matter. It's quantified by a combination of brand value and performance of the field which in turn equates to revenue made through prize money and increased advertising revenues.
If we signed Muller and this squad, complied for the best part of half a billion, wages included, goes on to win the league and the UCL and perhaps an FA cup or two then it will have earned a hell of a lot of prize money and will open more and more streams of advertising revenue.
So as I say, whether you decide you like the price of a player based on some sort of loose algorithm in your head that makes the number sound ok or not ok, really doesn't matter.
And anyway, who cares how much a player costs? It's only a few years down the line that the discussion about their price becomes relevant as you know how they performed.
In September 14' Falcao for a £6m loan fee was an absolute bargain. A year on its an absolute mockery.
He'd be a dream signing, but after signing Schweinsteiger and after both Rummenigge and Sammer have promised the fans that Muller isn't leaving, it really doesn't look doable. They'd be tarred and feathered.
behave , not even close to a fiasco , we pulled out for good reasons which we will find out sooner or later.
Exactly. And even if we were just beaten to his signature, for whatever reason, it's hardly a fiasco. We were probably interested in Pedro. Word got out. Chelsea were too. They kept it quieter. Either we chose not to pay what Chelsea were willing to pay or Pedro chose Chelsea over us. Standard transfer business. Disappointing? Yes. A fiasco? As Pauldy rightly says, behave.
On Muller. There's not a chance we'll sign him. But feck it, I'm getting ready to jump on the muppet bandwagon. Get it done Woody!
With people saying Muller has no reason to leave. He has won, LITERALLY, every trophy possible at Bayern, including a world cup with Germany. It is possible even if unlikely that he would think about a new challenge.
then why haven't Messi left Barca? and why did the likes of Scholes, Giggs, Zanetti never left their respective clubs?
I think there's more chance of Bayern selling us Muller for 120 Euros than there is of Van Gaal deciding to sell Memphis to Liverpool for 1 million and 1 pack of Monster Munch plus 1 Cream Egg
Because players aren't mindless, soulless robots, with no will of their own? Muller isn't Messi, Scholes, Giggs, Zanetti or any other one club player. He doesn't have to want to play for the same club his whole life. He might, but he doesn't have to. It's not like he's 35 and been there his entire life either, plenty of time to try his hand elsewhere.
How do you know he is not one club player and Muller has already said that he wants to remain part of German core in Bayern Munich "so the identity of the club doesn't get lost."
so, keep dreaming.
I'm not dreaming and I don't know. Neither do you. That's my entire point. I said he MIGHT want to leave and that it's POSSIBLE he'd want a new challenge. Which it is.
Instead of targeting a player that is untransferable, why not lodge a bid for De Bryune? He's far more likely to leave albeit for a massive fee than Muller who's going nowhere.
To hell with the gutless Pedro. Muller has a great relationship with LVG. Sign him up whatever the cost!
That would be beautiful too. Time to do some hijacking of our own.
That would be beautiful too. Time to do some hijacking of our own.
IIRC he's also building a cool house with his partner. She's an equestrian so we might have pulled this through if we still has SAF/Owen/RvN.
Oh so you're a mind reader huh?
Can you tell What am I thinking right now
?. Hint : it starts with BThere are diminishing Return though, if a club like Southampton buying Messi, winning the league with him they will get probably a few hundred thousand new fans, but for United probably a few extra tens of thousands. Obviously the numbers and Messi are made up, but it's not exactly 1+1 = 2
The price is just a vague valuation, I wouldn't be too bothered if we're paying 70-80M, but 120M is too much. Even when it's not the fans money the whole Manchester United as an entity took a hit from the 120M, that amount could have been invested somewhere else, bought other players, or just keep it until a more viable and reasonable players becomes available.
Sometimes too much is just too much.
People who play Football Manager too much and believe that supporting a club is as much about the side's financial prudence as it is the results on the pitch.
Honest question, if you dont know the reasons either, how do u know that they are good?
consider this, Chelsea made an approach a week previous but not firm bid made. United pull out of the deal after Pedro stalling due to LVG tough tactics, Barca then contact Chelsea and let them know there free to make a bid and take him.
So the reasons being, that Pedro needed convincing to join the club, LVG said as much last week when saying the ball was in Pedros court. He didn't fancy the tough tactics of LVG and listened to Valdes who has been disgruntled since the summer. Then with the movement between Mata, Januzaj and Memphis its convinced LVG that he has a first team for the season, Mane would be a backup. We could have wrapped this deal up weeks ago but we didn't think Pedro is worth £22m and as such didn't want to pay it.
But that is all speculation and conjecture..you made an assumption..which you then used to form a possible scenario of what happened..provided the assumption is false, the ensuing scenario cant be true either...especially the second para, there is really nothing to back that..either in the media or elsewhere..Unless you do have other sources.,.
The truth of the matter is that the club as a large entity will release the information that ensures good PR.That doesnt make it fact.
To pay more than 100mln for a player is insane. No way should we make such an offer imo. I find it strange that people are willing to pay that for a single player
So what is fact then about the transfer? No one will know so of course everything is speculation. Does anyone know what happened with ADM and why he left? DDG is his head in the game? Valdes? No one knows and even if any of those players come out and reveal all no one knows if its face saving or the truth, that why I said said consider this rather than stating facts.
My point is against those slamming those with an alternative opinion on this issue on either side..when no one really does no what happened..So the poster stating that there are supposedly good reasons that the club will soon tell us is just wrong with him not knowing that either.
Why do you care what we pay?
We have a limited transfer budget. If we pay a lot for one players, we have less to spend elsewhere. I'm surprised some don't understand this.
As it stands it seems that that the need to bring in a "marquee" player - probably to prove a point both commercially and in terms of appeasing fans is a priority. To that extent and given that the club are hugekly wealthy (as rich as any club in the world given the commercial success it enjoys) then money really isnt the issue.
The fact is we don't need four or five players - we need one or two of substantial quality. And players of substantial quality cost big money - as well as generating big money commercially. The likes of adidas will want to see top players in United colours because it validates their brand as well.
So far the club havent spent a great deal when incoming tansfers are considered. I suspect they want at least one big name. Whether in happens is another issue.
Of course I care how much we spend for a player - why dont you? I dont want my club to spend crazy money on a single player and 100mn is just too much for any player, let alone Müller.
Because I don't care. There's no real explanation to it. It's not my money, and it's not what interests me regarding football. The only time transfer fees are used are when people, mainly oppo fans but media too, want to ridicule a club for a player who flopped and cost a big amount. I don't really care.
Erm why?.
Let alone Muller? Ffs he's probably the best player in the world. (Ignoring the big two)
The club is being operated by professional and smart people, if they say we can afford it then we can afford it. Why care?
£1m a month being reported as the hook to bait Muller
Sounds so much better than 300k pw (which is in fact more)
being reported as the hook to bait MullerSounds so much better than 300k pw (which is in fact more)
Obviously it's all just rumours, but I don't see why we wouldn't just target Lewandowski. He's exactly what we need from a striker and would be way easier to tempt Bayern into selling.
I don't think it's a lack of understanding. What you're saying is pretty basic logic.
Take this scenario: we have €100m to spend. Would you rather spend that €100m on Muller or on De Bruyne and Mane. By all accounts, they would cost €100m. Who is going to impact the team more?
I'm taking Muller for that price everyday of the week. It's about buying players that have an impact. There's no point have money to spend elsewhere when you can buy a player that is one of the best in the world and would single-handedly change the team immediately.
I don't see the sense in spending less to have more players and more money to spend elsewhere.
OK so... Let's pretend that this signing could happen. On the one hand what a signing but on the other, isn't pace an issue in our team? An issue that Muller is not going to address. Don't get me wrong I'd love him but this is a case of going with the heart or the head?
I'd take Muller of course. I'm just saying it's perfectly logical to "care" how much we pay for players. But, I agree, we now need a world class attacker like Messi, Ronaldo, Bale, Sanchez, Silva, Aguero, Muller, Suarez, Hazard and anyone else I've missed.
Agree, I'd pay that larger sum for the whole package to bring Müller to OT over two lesser proven players at the highest level.
Having said that, De Bruyne is looking good though and I might regret what I've written above – what did they start putting in the Belgian water supply about 20-25 years ago?.
Also, something that wasn't mentioned above, I doubt that having two less expensive players along with Rooney et al would make any of them particularly happy having to sit out over 50% of the games as there are not enough striker spots for everyone to get a regular start (especially if LvG want's to persist with 2 holding MF players even against the likes of Brugge)? Pretty sure even Mane would prefer to stay at Saints rather than warm our bench, even for a huge pay raise, just for the occasional shot at a sub appearance and a league cup start.
Squad-wise I think we're nearly there (just need to start utilising our resources more to their strengths) one mega-star striker* would be the ticket IMHO and Müller certainly fits the bill!
*Bale would have been my first choice if he were available btw
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