Thomas Müller

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Incredible talent, isn't he?

Only recently made his debut for us - four goals in seven appearances for the German national side. For Bayern this year, he scored 20 goals, made 16 assists in 57 games. Such a natural player, clever in the box, makes intelligent runs and can provide.

What do you all make of him?
 
I've been very impressed with him. He does the simple stuff well, but he's also an intelligent player. Not very wasteful and always seems to use the right option.
 
Not a transfer target definitely, but he's a talented young lad who will probably be an influential player for you lot for years. He's lucky to be brought up by Bayern's school instead of some Bochum or Koln, this way there's no doubt he'll make it at big club unlike Podolski who choked there when he moved from Koln.
 
Shouldn't be in this forum as he will probably become a Bayern Legend. Has the makings to be a good player, not sure about when we played Munich as he played off a striker but as an attacking right sided midfield he is superb for Germany.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Shouldn't be in this forum as he will probably become a Bayern Legend. Has the makings to be a good player, not sure about when we played Munich as he played off a striker but as an attacking right sided midfield he is superb for Germany.
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Could one of the Mods be so kind to move it into the correct forum?
 
Think we have just as good a talent in Welbeck!! his just been imjury prone.
 
Solius said:
I've been very impressed with him. He does the simple stuff well, but he's also an intelligent player. Not very wasteful and always seems to use the right option.
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Thing with him is that he isn't really that good technically, doesn't have a blistering pace or a powerful shot (from what I've seen anyway, I may be wrong), he's just very intelligent on the pitch and knows exactly what to do with the ball whenever he gets it. There are players with more ability than him who aren't doing as well because they don't have that factor.
 
they are fantastic stats - I'm a bit surprised - i have to say i didn't think too much of him in the champions league games i saw him play

he's had a great world cup - works really hard up and down the wing and links up well with other players

i think he's a strange one - there doesn't seem to be anything really special about him - its just that he seems to do the simple things really really well

doing simple things really really well seems to be a german trait this world cup
 
pathfinder said:
Podolski didn't "choke". He was very unhappy at Bayern. The lad is a life long Köln fan, and as a kid hated Bayern. It was money that forced his transfer.
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podolski hasn't done very well at club level since he left bayern tho has he??
 
pathfinder said:
Podolski didn't "choke". He was very unhappy at Bayern. The lad is a life long Köln fan, and as a kid hated Bayern. It was money that forced his transfer.
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Didn't know that, but as a professional football he should have probably at least tried at Bayern or moved abroad when opportunity presented itself (plenty of top teams would have taken him back in 2006). Now he's stuck at Koln with no view of making a move to a bigger club, and with all due respect to Koln they're not a club where he'll be able to flourish and win top honors.
 
buckooo1978 said:
they are fantastic stats - I'm a bit surprised - i have to say i didn't think too much of him in the champions league games i saw him play
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Me neither.

I like him on the right wing a lot.
 
He was quite poor when I saw him playing in the middle for Bayern. He looks fantastic on the right.
 
The confidence he will have gotten from his performances so far this tournament will serve him well for the immediate future.

I was amazed and so impressed at the high regard that the rest of the German team have for him. When he was substituted late in the game vs Argentina, I think 4 or 5 german players shook his hand or high fived him as he left the pitch. Which is astonishing for a 20 year old in a world cup quarter final.

Along with Ozil, Khedira and Boeteng, Team germany will be major mafor force for the next 10 years and they will become superstars of the world game ... with a toss up between Muller and Ozil as to who becomes the poster boy.
 
Sarni said:
Didn't know that, but as a professional football he should have probably at least tried at Bayern or moved abroad when opportunity presented itself (plenty of top teams would have taken him back in 2006). Now he's stuck at Koln with no view of making a move to a bigger club, and with all due respect to Koln they're not a club where he'll be able to flourish and win top honors.
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Well, he loves Köln. All his family and friends live in Köln, he is on a good wage.. obviously trophy's are not his top priority. He is living his own dream I guess.
 
Jaap said:
Incredible talent, isn't he?

Only recently made his debut for us - four goals in seven appearances for the German national side. For Bayern this year, he scored 20 goals, made 16 assists in 57 games. Such a natural player, clever in the box, makes intelligent runs and can provide.

What do you all make of him?
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:lol: all proud and all, but you needed a dutch coach to discover his talents, chances are that without Van Gaal, he would still be rotting away in the reserves :lol: On the same note, i dont think germany wouldve played as well as they're doing right now if it wasnt for Van Gaal: 6 out of the Germany XI are Bayern players, which have developed tremendously as a team under van Gaal, a bit like the way all the Barca players make the Spain squad tick.

Anyways, all kidding aside, indeed he looks a proper prospect, somehow doesnt seem to have one or two major strengths, but very allround attacking wise, quick, skillfull and an eye for teammates and spaces to run into... eyecatcher for germany indeed...
 
pathfinder said:
Well, he loves Köln. All his family and friends live in Köln, he is on a good wage.. obviously trophy's are not his top priority. He is living his own dream I guess.
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Then good for him. He also promised to come back to Poland and play for Gornik Zabrze at some point of his career so I hold him by the word.
 
He's one of those players who, on the surface, I really don't want to like, because he isn't exceptionally talented, technically, he doesn't really possess any one quality that would, by itself, elevate him to the level of potential genius, and he has a physique that can (with other players) look awkward and uncomfortable and somewhat out of place in the modern game in the positions that he takes up on the field, which is why there are so few players like that in the forward (AM, second striker, etc) positions.

And yet, once you begin to scratch beneath the surface, you realize that it is the sheer simplicity of his game, as well as the fact that he is already incredibly complete for a player of that age, that is the key to his brilliance. Like many of the new crop of German's in this team — and, to be fair, many German players throughout history — he is incredibly effective in that simplicity, and it is conversely that simplicity that makes him incredibly effective.

If there is one thing that Germany has shown in abundance throughout history, it's that you don't need the most skillful, the most individually exciting, and the most talented — according to most pundits, anyway — players to be an exciting and winning team. It is in fact the team that is the star, and each player in it is usually one of the most effective in world football. That's the genius.
 
Jaap said:
Incredible talent, isn't he?

Only recently made his debut for us - four goals in seven appearances for the German national side. For Bayern this year, he scored 20 goals, made 16 assists in 57 games. Such a natural player, clever in the box, makes intelligent runs and can provide.

What do you all make of him?
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He is even more impressive than I thought at first. When I first saw him I thought he was the new Andy Moeller. now I think he might even end up way better than that.
 
Franq said:
:lol: all proud and all, but you needed a dutch coach to discover his talents, chances are that without Van Gaal, he would still be rotting away in the reserves :lol:
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Müller made his debut for Bayern's first-team even BEFORE van Gaal was appointed, Franq.

But, credit should indeed go to the Dutchman, I like him.
 
Id take him for United. He's going to be either the next Ballack or could be developed into a good box to box player. He seems to have a good all round game but good timing of his runs in particular
 
Muller makes it look simple because he makes the right decisions more often than not.
 
He'd be a great signing for anyone. Has an alertness about him at all times; never seen him make a mistake through loss of concentration - that's quite a quality in anyone.
 
No point putting this in the transfer forum. He wont be leaving Bayern anytime soon.

Very good player. Though I wasnt that impressed with him in the games against United.
 
McCool said:
He'd be a great signing for anyone. Has an alertness about him at all times; never seen him make a mistake through loss of concentration - that's quite a quality in anyone.
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Yep, agree with this. He's got the key components to be a success at any top club.

A newbie posted this though:

Zoolander247 said:
Probably yes, but Bayern Munich just extended his contract to 2013, they are going to offer him a better wage after this world cup, and since he has been playing for bayern munich since he was a little boy, it's like a second family to him there... he is also born close to munich and so on, i can really see a kid like that playing his whole career for such a club, that means and did so much for him...

Just fyi... he transferred to the bayern youth when he was 11 years old... and since then played 10 years now in a row for them, grown up at their academy and so on... he is also already married to his old girlfriend, seems like they're both very down to earth... was a joy to see, when they interviewed him directly after the england match, just a few sentences, last question "Is there anything you want to add?" and he just laughs and "Oh, yes, greetings to my grandparents, completely had no time to call...", he just always occur so natural and young on the one side, but so incredible mature that you can hardly believe he is really that young...
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Does seem the type to stay at Bayern for a longgg time.
 
Jaap said:
Incredible talent, isn't he?

Only recently made his debut for us - four goals in seven appearances for the German national side. For Bayern this year, he scored 20 goals, made 16 assists in 57 games. Such a natural player, clever in the box, makes intelligent runs and can provide.

What do you all make of him?
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A future football legend at this rate.
 
such a shame he missed the semi. hope one day higuain misses a huge game getting carded because of another team imaginary card waving. Atleast muller ended up with more goals and stronger oppostion

has to be young player of the tournament
 
He will definitely be staying at Bayern. Will be very interesting to see where Ozil goes though as he has just 1 year on his contract at Bremen!
 
Bayern can really come to the fore as one of the top teams in the next few seasons. I know they had a brilliant season but they wouldnt be the first to struggle to keep it up. But in Sweinsteiger and Muller they have players who can be at the top of the game for another 5 years. Lahm would be another player likely to stay and isnt much older than Sweinsteiger. We didnt see much of Kroos but in general he was rated about as highly as Ozil before the tournament. And I liked the look of Diego Contento at left back when he got a game (looked miles better than Badstuber)

Now if only they hadnt got rid of Lucio.
 
Müller's maturity in his play given his age and relative inexperience at the top level is frightening. Fantastic player already, who knows how good he'll become in 5 years time.
 
Have been more impressed with his tactical brain rather than his technical game (which is still respectable). Very developed for a 20-year-old, excellent off the ball movement, use of the ball and anticipation.
 
People were saying the same about Rooney 6 years ago in the Euro Championships and those are the last goals he scored in a major tournament.
 
Joga_Bonito said:
He's one of those players who, on the surface, I really don't want to like, because he isn't exceptionally talented, technically, he doesn't really possess any one quality that would, by itself, elevate him to the level of potential genius, and he has a physique that can (with other players) look awkward and uncomfortable and somewhat out of place in the modern game in the positions that he takes up on the field, which is why there are so few players like that in the forward (AM, second striker, etc) positions.

And yet, once you begin to scratch beneath the surface, you realize that it is the sheer simplicity of his game, as well as the fact that he is already incredibly complete for a player of that age, that is the key to his brilliance. Like many of the new crop of German's in this team — and, to be fair, many German players throughout history — he is incredibly effective in that simplicity, and it is conversely that simplicity that makes him incredibly effective.

If there is one thing that Germany has shown in abundance throughout history, it's that you don't need the most skillful, the most individually exciting, and the most talented — according to most pundits, anyway — players to be an exciting and winning team. It is in fact the team that is the star, and each player in it is usually one of the most effective in world football. That's the genius.
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He epitomises this current team. Ozil also but to a lesser degree.


Not the most talented, not very quick or strong but always plays the simple ball and never loses his head. Intelligent user of the ball. I made a thread about ze Germans and their simplistic football, pretty much saying what you're saying here.
 
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