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There are a few dull fights. But it's a sport. There are dull matches/fights/races in every sport
It really doesn't require more talent. That's just silly
Pro wrestlers need to be athletic in most cases I do accept that and they need to have some amount of personality. That's as far as it goes
I must be watching the wrong cards, because 90% of fights I watch are dull as they come.
Well they're also doing it constantly, there's no downtime in pro-wrestling. I don't necessarily agree on either side, but to suggest it's a silly claim is scandelous.
Really? These are the only twenty people out of how many thousands who try and make it big. Obviously they have some talent if so many people are paying to watch them. I'm sure it's not just "being athletic with a personality".
Let's just forget about all the other aspects such as portraying your gimmick or being a good talker. I'd like to see you master the art of taking one body slam in a non timed environment and see how long it takes you. Then I'd like to think about how difficult it is to take power bombs, upper cuts, stunners, jumps from top ropes, lift three hundred pound + athletes, and show that you are destroying them/being destroyed without actually hurting them. It's like an art and they are performers of this art. It's not easy to explain but if you regularly watch wrestling (and also watch some low grade wrestling shows which will make you realize how good these WWE superstars are) you'll know that it takes a lot of talent to be a good performer.
On the other hand, yes UFC fighters are talented but their talent is basically being a really good fighter. It's more straight forward and that doesn't mean it is "less" of a talent or "easier" (even though in my opinion it is) but if you compare it to WWE, it doesn't have the same depth (at least not for me). UFC basically took one aspect of WWE, the fights, and made that real. Their only appeal is that the fights are legitimate (which isn't even an appeal to me). WWE involves more creativity. More thinking out of the box. Anything can happen. When two people are in that WWE ring, it can be pure magic sometimes.
... and you think it's "silly" to suggest they have talent...
Let's not forget professional athletes who have gone for tryouts and said that WWE tryouts are the hardest thing they've ever done and the most physical/stressful/painful for their bodies, and that's not even the big leagues of WWE on TV with the likes of chairs, tables etc.
Obviously the pain from MMA is completely different, but let's not pretend like because the result of the match is scripted that there is no physicality or toll on the body.
Obviously the pain from MMA is completely different, but let's not pretend like because the result of the match is scripted that there is no physicality or toll on the body.
I said it was silly to suggest they are more talented, and it is.
An mma fighter in many cases is highly talented on many things, boxing, kick-boxing, wrestling, jiu jitsu. To become technically sound at all these is way more work and talent than anything a wwe guy will ever have.
There is really nothing straightforward about it.
Wwe guys are talented though I never said they weren't. And I admire the fact that doing it a couple of times a week for years and years would really feck up your body. You don't need to explain wrestling to me. I was a huge fan of it for years. I know the business inside out
An mma fighter in many cases is highly talented on many things, boxing, kick-boxing, wrestling, jiu jitsu. To become technically sound at all these is way more work and talent than anything a wwe guy will ever have.
There is really nothing straightforward about it.
Wwe guys are talented though I never said they weren't. And I admire the fact that doing it a couple of times a week for years and years would really feck up your body. You don't need to explain wrestling to me. I was a huge fan of it for years. I know the business inside out
I don't think either group is more or less talented. They're both talented. Equally so, but both specialise in vastly different things.
Are they really? I was under the impression that mma fighters were highly skilled in one particular craft. I don't watch it though.
I suppose it's like me saying every cricket match I have ever tried watching has made me want to kill myself. If you don't like it you aren't going to find it interesting.
There is no way for me or fans of the sport would find 90% of it dull
Its more common at the top level I'd assume. But not always, I mean Brock went in with an amateur background and barely developed much else.
Well then you would know that if one thinks WWE wrestlers have more talent it is not "silly to suggest". All you did was name a couple of fighting styles. WWE wrestlers are also trained in various fighting styles. You think if an MMA fighters takes years of training to master a left jab, a WWE superstar doesn't? Except they have to master it so it doesn't hurt the opposition but look real as well. In other words, whatever amount of training a UFC fighter goes through it is likely a WWE superstar will also go through the same intensity of training.
And yes it is straight forward VS complex. In one you only have to worry about your own performance. In the other, two people are performing together. There is a big difference. They have to keep thinking about the crowd and make the match as exciting as possible.
No, it's called mixed martial arts for a reason.
Vast majority of them will be highly trained and in some cases experts on all forms
He was found out very fast. Was too old and not talented enough
If he had started when he was young, who knows though
I used to watch MMA but wasn't ever an expert. I was always of the opinion that Brock was really talented since he had no background in fighting but became a champion? Why would you say he had no talent? Curious to know...
Brock was hugely important to the ufc. He brought with him a massive following and interest and he was thrust straight into title contention. His background was high level college wrestling. He lost his first fight in the ufc which was a huge blow for the company and the push they wanted to give him.
They then gave him a guy whose career was nearing its end and he beat him. Was then handed a title shot (totally unheard of and undeserved) he fought randy couture who is was an old mma legend but about half the size of lesner and won the belt. He managed to defend it twice. Looked good in his first defence and got brutilised in his 2nd but somehow won the fight as the other guy gassed.
His next 2 and final fights were against high level fighters and he was destroyed both times.
If he had started mma in his teens he would have had a chance....maybe. But his boxing was terrible, and heavyweights need to be able to strike. Not sure he could have ever risen to the heights of the best ufc heavyweights.
It's really difficult now to care about a face, people love to cheer for the heels they have to evolve along with the audience.
Bray is the perfect example. No heel in the older days would be allowed to play with the crowd like he does.
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Really harsh on the guy that you never mentioned the desease once. The guy had talent and his all round game was getting better.
No one will ever know how good his title run would have been had he remained healthy during that period.
There was no shame in losing to Velasquez, one of the best heavyweights in MMA history and Alister "Steroids" Overeem.
Someone deleted a wwe plans to turn wyatt face post?
Sorry, that was me:
My point was that the fans can - sometimes - determine who the face is. Bray Wyatt exemplifies that.
I thought the word mixed referred to the fact that people trained in judo will fight people trained in muay Thai, hence mixed.
What do you think of future of Undertaker? Should his legacy be continued?
He is one of my favourites and his antics with buried alive and coffin matches add a flavour unmatched by anyone else. I think WWE should pass on this legacy.
Being already a 'dead man', it would be quite easy to drum up a storyline of him conjring some weird deathrite and passing on his legacy to someone else. Pick a coming star and maybe rebrand him as NightStalker or something and continue.
He is one of my favourites and his antics with buried alive and coffin matches add a flavour unmatched by anyone else. I think WWE should pass on this legacy.
Being already a 'dead man', it would be quite easy to drum up a storyline of him conjring some weird deathrite and passing on his legacy to someone else. Pick a coming star and maybe rebrand him as NightStalker or something and continue.
That was the case when the UFC first started but nowadays almost everyone is very good at multiple disciplines.
Was thinking I had imagined it, am half asleep anyway so you never know.Stop ruining the thread with all this mma talk. We get it wrestling is a fake sport for guys with homoerotic fantasies. Now gtfohwtb.
Pretty much it, I'm a huge fan of both...UFC & WWE.
I think UFC / MMA Fighters are definitely more skilled than WWE guys. As has been pointed out MMA Fighters train across a variety of martial arts now, most will study BJJ (Brazilian Jui Jitsu) with Wrestling to round out their mat game with take downs, transitions and submissions... Then add in say Muay Thai Kick Boxing or Boxing for their stand up encounters.
However WWE guys have by far and away a tougher schedule all included... by that I mean not only their in ring action which can be 3-4 shows every week right throughout the year... they also have to travel the lenght and breath of America and now more recently over seas. It's really gruelling. On top of that they hit the gym 3-4 times weekly, while carrying aches, pains, strains, muscle damage and fighting through it all with pain killers and what not...
So I really have respect for both these sets of athletes, it takes a huge amount of dedicaton on either side to get where they are.
Yeah, its a shame he didn't do his career the other way around... after college he should of jumped on the hype of UFC and he could have, with the right training been an absolute Monster heavyweight! Could of Joined WWE then after a stint with UFC. A few guys (analysts / journalists) believe he could have been one of the all time greats if he had done so at a younger age.
Great point about his stomach condition, I suffer from a stomach condition also, probably not as detrimental as his but I can see why he had to call it a day in MMA. It's a huge ask and physically demanding to put your body through that.
Pity we'll never really know just how good he really could of been!
So it turns out there was another Black Thursday, so long Evan "miscellaneous" Bourne, Yoshi Tatsu, Camacho & Brodus "Job Seeka" Clay
Yes! JTG is still employed!!
Evan had the skills, like a high flying Lance Storm though, sadly.
Exit Tatsu, enter Kenta(hope they actually do something proper with him, really.
Camacho could cycle a mean bike, dunno what else he could do.......
Fecked up with Brodus though, he could have been great, such promise....
Camacho has looked really good of late to be fair, if they let him use his actual heritage and maybe brought in his brother from NJPW then they'd have been a great addition to the tag title scene.
Yeah, shame that really.
It's a weird one as he's been getting quite a bit of TV time on NxT, and has looked pretty decent.
This could be a long day. Curt Hawkins, Teddy Long and Aksana now gone.
That's a shame then, I literally can't remember seeing him since 2012. Vaguely remember him being a decent wrestler, but of course, back up for Hunico.
Hmmm, might slightly miss Aksana, she was quite a ride.
... So JTG isn't safe yet?!
JTG will never go, too many horcruxes.
Man, what a way to go. Having popcorn and water thrown all over you.
THEY GOD DAMN HINDERED JINDER