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Check out the Dark match video from RAW, Heyman got abuse from crowd, Roman got of the ring and cuddled him :lol:
 
cyberman said:
I don’t know about the rest but Andrade has 3 tv wins in the last 9 months. His WWE run was better than this
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Again he's been more of a character than a wrestler. Almost every week a promo involving him putting him on tv. Probably partly to do with Pac's travel issues and Fenix's injuries and him feuding with him at the time.
 
Edge and AJ at Mania, should be the show stealer.

Though why they turned Edge heel for it now is ridiculous, they should've have a face vs face match and have Edge turn on AJ after losing at Mania.
We haven't had a great blood feud in WWE for years they could then drag it out until SummerSlam and have a blow off Hell in a Cell match.

The only other thing that has my interest for Mania is The Undertaker's HOF induction.
 
JinnerJamie said:
Edge and AJ at Mania, should be the show stealer.

Though why they turned Edge heel for it now is ridiculous, they should've have a face vs face match and have Edge turn on AJ after losing at Mania.
We haven't had a great blood feud in WWE for years they could then drag it out until SummerSlam and have a blow off Hell in a Cell match.

The only other thing that has my interest for Mania is The Undertaker's HOF induction.
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That isn't happening at Mania though.

It's on Smackdown I thought.?
 
Didnt Edge turn heel last year despite him facing Roman... then they added Bryan?
Bizarre.
 
Tony Khans Game changing announcement tonight is.............


Well, rumours are it's either some big deal with HBO or and he is buying ROH

They are the two big suggestions of what it could be.

My money is on Doink the Clown.
 
I wonder what theyll use it as. A second show? Doubt it but maybe. You could easily relegate rampage to Heat/velocity status.

I think ROH being their NXT/Developmental is a better shout though. Be the end of Dark/Elevation most probably.

We could see All In 2 soon enough though.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
I wonder what theyll use it as. A second show? Doubt it but maybe. You could easily relegate rampage to Heat/velocity status.

I think ROH being their NXT/Developmental is a better shout though. Be the end of Dark/Elevation most probably.

We could see All In 2 soon enough though.
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Well they own all the assets and video library and a deal with HBO / Warner for streaming is likely gonna happen, so that will be huge for Khan.

I'm not sure Khan can realistically run two operations and keep the standards high, so he would need a lot of help.

Time will tell.
 
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Other than tape library’s, which they don’t have a streaming platform for, what’s the point?

AEW effectively replaced them and TNA anyway?
 
The video library is a great pickup. I've been watching plenty of mid 2000s ROH recently to see the likes of Cesaro's best rated matches, along with Zayn (Generico) , McGuiness, Joe and Owens as I was only watching WWE back then. I think the first ROH matches I ever saw were a couple of Bryan Danielson matches after it was announced that he and McGuiness had agreements with WWE

My hope would be that buying ROH leads to having 2 major shows a week and possibly a brand split for AEW. I think thats the best way of using the talent they have and making sure theres room for the people with big potential to continue reaching the next levels instead of having guys who are really good and not having enough space to really push them.

Rampage usually has 1 noteworthy match/event and then just 2 other matches. Its Dynamite where things really happen and another of those is needed in my opinion.
 
Ekeke said:
The video library is a great pickup. I've been watching plenty of mid 2000s ROH recently to see the likes of Cesaro's best rated matches, along with Zayn (Generico) , McGuiness, Joe and Owens as I was only watching WWE back then. I think the first ROH matches I ever saw were a couple of Bryan Danielson matches after it was announced that he and McGuiness had agreements with WWE

My hope would be that buying ROH leads to having 2 major shows a week and possibly a brand split for AEW. I think thats the best way of using the talent they have and making sure theres room for the people with big potential to continue reaching the next levels instead of having guys who are really good and not having enough space to really push them.

Rampage usually has 1 noteworthy match/event and then just 2 other matches. Its Dynamite where things really happen and another of those is needed in my opinion.
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Khan spent 50m dollars on a video library, of which the production quality will likely be very low for the content they'd want (mid 2000s). The company itself was dead/losing money. They don't have anyone signed really anymore.

He could've just launched another AEW show if he wanted another show. No-one watched ROH, and if it had such a huge fanbase it wouldn't of died.

Khan being a mark as per usual. If the library had been worth buying WWE would've bought it and hosted it a while back.

Vince on the McAfee show should be great.
 
Khan is working on a deal re streaming.

He has said for ages it's a must and yesterday again, Said its going to happen basically and agreed when Warner was mentioned.
 
Bwuk said:
Khan spent 50m dollars on a video library, of which the production quality will likely be very low for the content they'd want (mid 2000s). The company itself was dead/losing money. They don't have anyone signed really anymore.

He could've just launched another AEW show if he wanted another show. No-one watched ROH, and if it had such a huge fanbase it wouldn't of died.

Khan being a mark as per usual. If the library had been worth buying WWE would've bought it and hosted it a while back.

Vince on the McAfee show should be great.
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He could have just paid a licensing fee! 50m is beyond being a money mark. Their fanbase seems obsessed with HBOMax but they wouldn’t be on there already if Warner wanted them on. Cody Rhodes show is on there after all.
They need the Big Bang Theory lead in to crack 1m. Less than half of that watches Rampage, fraction of that watches Dark etc. what the hell is another tv show from a dead company going to do?
 
I can't see ROH being a second major show. Doesn't make sense from a branding perspective. It'll be developmental.
 
Im sure Khan has an idea of what hes doing. So far for AEW a lot of what he does is majorly long term based (with a few short term things). Hes not like Vince of today. Hes more like Vince of decades ago thinking long term.

ROH stuff especially when it peaked around CZW vs ROH was some of the best stuff. The wrestling channel in UK used to show it and it was immense. Would love to watch that again, proper use of invasion storyline.

The ROH library would have been fantastic for WWE since a lot of their talent was taken from there. Its a good get for AEW.
 
cyberman said:
Can it even be a show? It doesn’t have a tv deal nor even a roster. YouTube again perhaps?
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Roster wont be an issue. AEWs roster is so huge they can send a lot of people there.
Didnt ROh recently sign a couple of people (Swole? or somebody else?)

The TV deal is the thing of course. and always the important thing for any company / show. If they wanted it as a show, can see Khan negotiating for that if he wanted to have a show for that.
 
Sylar said:
Roster wont be an issue. AEWs roster is so huge they can send a lot of people there.
Didnt ROh recently sign a couple of people (Swole? or somebody else?)

The TV deal is the thing of course. and always the important thing for any company / show. If they wanted it as a show, can see Khan negotiating for that if he wanted to have a show for that.
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Yeah but AEW got a second tv show and it was put on in the death hour on a Friday night and that was only because they were being kicked off TNT. I really can’t see what tv deal can be made just to have the same wrestlers they already have on screen?
The importance of AEW tv is clear by the ratings. It almost chops in half for each show and to potentially add another one down the totem pole.. I just don’t know. Its not as if ROH streaming would be a big seller, they were already streaming their old content and nobody flocked to it.
 
cyberman said:
Yeah but AEW got a second tv show and it was put on in the death hour on a Friday night and that was only because they were being kicked off TNT. I really can’t see what tv deal can be made just to have the same wrestlers they already have on screen?
The importance of AEW tv is clear by the ratings. It almost chops in half for each show and to potentially add another one down the totem pole.. I just don’t know. Its not as if ROH streaming would be a big seller, they were already streaming their old content and nobody flocked to it.
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Streaming works based on content. ROH on its own wont be huge, but ROH with other stuff can work. Especially with the rumours Khan is looking at a non NJPW deal in Japan.

Both networks are happy with AEWs current ratings hence the deals theyve got. For sure, ROH on its own wont be a big ratings getter, but again it depends on network, and reach. Also the time slot it gets, and the talent too. ROH show can be a total split from AEW (rather than people appearing on all three shows). AEW has enough talent to send them to a separate show and keep them there and build them there with their own titles.

It all depends on what Khan wants to do. Ideally to do that, he needs to hire somebody away from him to look after it. (cos hes already got fulham to deal with). And on top of that, you want it different. They could / should make it tournament type based, or more sports orientated. Obviously still with records but more wrestling than entertainment. I think there is a fan base out there for that style, more serious and less Orange cassidys, etc.

But thats all hypothetical.

It will be interesting to see however where this leads to.
 
Sylar said:
Streaming works based on content. ROH on its own wont be huge, but ROH with other stuff can work. Especially with the rumours Khan is looking at a non NJPW deal in Japan.

Both networks are happy with AEWs current ratings hence the deals theyve got. For sure, ROH on its own wont be a big ratings getter, but again it depends on network, and reach. Also the time slot it gets, and the talent too. ROH show can be a total split from AEW (rather than people appearing on all three shows). AEW has enough talent to send them to a separate show and keep them there and build them there with their own titles.

It all depends on what Khan wants to do. Ideally to do that, he needs to hire somebody away from him to look after it. (cos hes already got fulham to deal with). And on top of that, you want it different. They could / should make it tournament type based, or more sports orientated. Obviously still with records but more wrestling than entertainment. I think there is a fan base out there for that style, more serious and less Orange cassidys, etc.

But thats all hypothetical.

It will be interesting to see however where this leads to.
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AEW got their tv deal more than halved last year?
 
He’s spent more on ROH than they’ll get for a single years TV deal.

It’s lucky he’s got a blank cheque.
 
cyberman said:
AEW got their tv deal more than halved last year?
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Im not saying i dont believe ya, but can ya send the reference. Would love to read up on it as I cant find it on a google search. Or maybe im using the wrong words.
Are you saying their move from TNT to TBS is making less money>
 
Sylar said:
Im not saying i dont believe ya, but can ya send the reference. Would love to read up on it as I cant find it on a google search. Or maybe im using the wrong words.
Are you saying their move from TNT to TBS is making less money>
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https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2020/01/how-much-the-new-aew-tv-deal-is-actually-worth-665015/


In an update, Dave Meltzer reported in the latest edition of The Wrestling Observer Newsletter that the new deal will be worth about $19 million per year for the company since TNT will no longer be covering production costs for the show. The production costs totaled around $500,000 per week, or about $26 million per year.


Went from 41m odd to AEW for 19m. I’m shocked this was spun like it was good news, they didn’t even get an extra year added on
 
Sylar said:
Roster wont be an issue. AEWs roster is so huge they can send a lot of people there.
Didnt ROh recently sign a couple of people (Swole? or somebody else?)

The TV deal is the thing of course. and always the important thing for any company / show. If they wanted it as a show, can see Khan negotiating for that if he wanted to have a show for that.
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Oh God, I hope it’s her. After Tony publicly said she was released for not being good?
 
cyberman said:
https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2020/01/how-much-the-new-aew-tv-deal-is-actually-worth-665015/


In an update, Dave Meltzer reported in the latest edition of The Wrestling Observer Newsletter that the new deal will be worth about $19 million per year for the company since TNT will no longer be covering production costs for the show. The production costs totaled around $500,000 per week, or about $26 million per year.


Went from 41m odd to AEW for 19m. I’m shocked this was spun like it was good news, they didn’t even get an extra year added on
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19m a year - absolutely no way AEW is making any sort of £££.

It’s run financially as bad as TNA 2011.
 
MJF Punk story has been mind blowing. Rest of the stuff has been meh for me. Hangman Page's run hasn't been any good. Seems like a filler champion. Would like to see MJF beat Punk and then challenge Hangman and win the title. They can do a long MJF title run and ultimately have Wardlow beat him.
 
One thing is for certain, if I ever need business advice or how to run a wrestling company, the Pro Graps thread on the Caf' is the place to be.
 
Watching the Vince McMahon interview on Pat McAfee’s show. Really disappointing so far. Not meaty at all. A puff piece. Hope it gets more interesting. McAfee’s interview with Lesnar was brilliant so maybe my expectations were too high. He’s too timid with Vince (though was probably told not to go to certain areas).
 
Ok, the interview briefly took an interesting turn where Vince basically said his family have disappointed him with how they’ve been stewarding WWE. Clear shots at Triple H/Steph and Shane I guess.
 
SparkedIntoLife said:
Ok, the interview briefly took an interesting turn where Vince basically said his family have disappointed him with how they’ve been stewarding WWE. Clear shots at Triple H/Steph and Shane I guess.
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I think that's really obvious with how Steph moved away from WWE, Shane quit for years and HHH gave fan's what they really wanted.

On the bright side Pat McAfee has a match at Wrestlemania
 
Bwuk said:
19m a year - absolutely no way AEW is making any sort of £££.

It’s run financially as bad as TNA 2011.
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Konnan on his podcast has said the tv deal doesn’t even cover the wage bill now and that Tony budgeted losing 20m over the first few years of AEW and that’s now spiralled out of control.
 
SparkedIntoLife said:
Ok, the interview briefly took an interesting turn where Vince basically said his family have disappointed him with how they’ve been stewarding WWE. Clear shots at Triple H/Steph and Shane I guess.
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Triple H and Steph were given a chance to prove they were semi competent, and the product was disappointing. Shane might not be any better.

Either way, the business is different than it was before they went public. It isn't going to go to any of the aforementioned.
 
I find the company tribalism in this thread so bizarre, cyberman and Bwuk have become the reverse Ekeke.

As for the ROH thing, I have no idea what it means. Hopefully it doesn't change AEW too much, as I'm enjoying what they're doing at the moment.
 
The Hilton said:
I find the company tribalism in this thread so bizarre, cyberman and Bwuk have become the reverse Ekeke.

As for the ROH thing, I have no idea what it means. Hopefully it doesn't change AEW too much, as I'm enjoying what they're doing at the moment.
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Its funny tbh. Watching the hoops jumped through to defend a side
 
cyberman said:
https://www.wrestlinginc.com/news/2020/01/how-much-the-new-aew-tv-deal-is-actually-worth-665015/


In an update, Dave Meltzer reported in the latest edition of The Wrestling Observer Newsletter that the new deal will be worth about $19 million per year for the company since TNT will no longer be covering production costs for the show. The production costs totaled around $500,000 per week, or about $26 million per year.


Went from 41m odd to AEW for 19m. I’m shocked this was spun like it was good news, they didn’t even get an extra year added on
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Erm
Aren't they with tbh now for dynamite.
So isn't this outdated?
 
Sylar said:
Erm
Aren't they with tbh now for dynamite.
So isn't this outdated?
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It’s the same umbrella. It’s like going from Sky Sports 1 to Sky Sports 2.
Their financials and how they’re reported is fascinating to me. Warner announced a takeover and basically cut all financial cost for AEW at the first chance they got and moved them to a secondary channel. Khan said they would never move from TNT since they have an iron clad contract only to be moved there anyway with a carrot of another AEW show to allow them to have a TNT presence. That’s then thrown on a dead time slot on a Friday night while 4 big specials that were hyped up were revealed months later to have shitty 1 hour time slots which now can’t be live after the last debacle of charging fans full price for a 1 hour show.
I was a wrestling fan growing up and left for many reasons but the talk of AEW brought me back. It’s not quite holding me anymore and I find myself drifting away again but the way all that was reported with sunshine and rainbows is shocking to me.
That has all the signs of a network lowering its responsibility to AEW imo. If Tony ends up with such a bloated roster and with ROH in tow it could be a disaster for the industry if it ends up in a poorer network.
 
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