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Zarlak said:
Depends. Maybe he just came in as a gatecrasher and was hired afterwards.
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Well he specifically said "hired back on Saturday"... thus he would be employed by the WWE at the time of the PPV.

It's all bullshit... Why does J.L even hate John Cena so much? Have they ever explained it? Why didn't Cena just finish of J.L ASAP if he knew that he could be fired? What would have happened if J.L hadn't ran out of the ring during the match? Why didn't Big Show attack earlier on and save J.L a beating? Why did Big Show turn after being humiliated? Why would he buddy up to his humiliator? What's his annoyance with Cena?

I know most of those are daft questions as it's just wrestling afterall... but still, it doesn't make a great deal of sense.

RAW was bleh... not as bad as last week, but not great either. Since when has Sheamus been a friend of Cena? That surely would have made more sense if it was CM Punk with that save? But there I go thinking again...
 
I put on the PPV last night on Sky, and some kind of Goldberg parodee was wrestling a Mexican gangsta on a tiny little bicycle.

I didn't think it could get any more feeble than a guy having a mop as a girlfriend, but this was running it pretty close.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Well he specifically said "hired back on Saturday"... thus he would be employed by the WWE at the time of the PPV.
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Cole addressed this after King asked the same question, said it was a verbal agreement that had been made on Saturday and the contract wasn't actually signed until after OTL.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Well he specifically said "hired back on Saturday"... thus he would be employed by the WWE at the time of the PPV.

It's all bullshit... Why does J.L even hate John Cena so much? Have they ever explained it? Why didn't Cena just finish of J.L ASAP if he knew that he could be fired? What would have happened if J.L hadn't ran out of the ring during the match? Why didn't Big Show attack earlier on and save J.L a beating? Why did Big Show turn after being humiliated? Why would he buddy up to his humiliator? What's his annoyance with Cena?

I know most of those are daft questions as it's just wrestling afterall... but still, it doesn't make a great deal of sense.

RAW was bleh... not as bad as last week, but not great either. Since when has Sheamus been a friend of Cena? That surely would have made more sense if it was CM Punk with that save? But there I go thinking again...
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Well like you say its WWE and continuity issues frequently arrive. Why does JL hate Cena, well I think it was punk who came out with a promo basically calling JL a failed wrestler/never hit the great heights that he should of. Well I would assume JL is jealous that Cena has become this ultra "popular" superstar which he could never become. Hell half the fans hate goody two shoes Cena so its not so far fetched that JL would.

Why didn't Cena pin JL earlier/ Big Show interfere earlier, again its WWE and that happens in order to prevent 30 second matches. It's entertainment and not a case of things going as logic would dictate. As I see it, JL has basically told Show that he would rehire him on the basis of Show becoming his enforcer. Maybe it was agreed weeks in advance and they carried out the firing Charade in order to lull Cena into a false sense of security.

Sheamus and Cena aren't friends but as always in wrestling, the faces are ultimately there to protect the good. Almost like superheroes. I think these issues have arrived countless times in the past but the likes of Rock, Austin etc just were so entertaining that continuity issues didn't detract from the spectacle.
 
noodlehair said:
I put on the PPV last night on Sky, and some kind of Goldberg parodee was wrestling a Mexican gangsta on a tiny little bicycle.

I didn't think it could get any more feeble than a guy having a mop as a girlfriend, but this was running it pretty close.
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Ryback. It's a good thing you weren't watching a month ago. They were getting 10 stone stick thin 22ish year old local lads to job for him in matches lasting about 30 seconds. But before they began, they'd get on the mic and spit some feeble speech about how they were going to take down this mountain. Why I've got no idea. None of them had any mass, it didn't showcase his strength, I could have put one of them on my back.
 
MUFCgal said:


On this date 13 years ago, the world of professional wrestling lost one of it's best and most loved, Owen Hart.

We'll never forget you Owen.
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He was reluctantly pushed into performing the stunt that killed him as well.

One of the greatest of all time. What a tragedy.
 
You know what would make me properly mark out?

Have Y2J lose to Boreton at No Way Out, continuing his major losing streak, then have him win the MitB match, cash in the same night and get Brogue Kicked and pinned, making him the first to lose after cashing in.

Even when he wins he loses, it would be excellent.
 
Garethw said:
He was reluctantly pushed into performing the stunt that killed him as well.

One of the greatest of all time. What a tragedy.
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Yeah, he wasn't the biggest fan of heights. He'd performed the stunt a few times, but was fearful of this one because of the massive height involved.

He should never have been pushed into doing something he wasn't comfortable with, shocking really.

I honestly don't know how Jim Ross was able to get through witnessing that accident, then announcing it to the world that Owen had died.
 
I would watch it if it existed however I was just curious this time, does anyone think the footage was destroyed or locked up somewhere because it has been reported that there are 2 cameras the wwe uses which record non stop.
 
Relevated said:
do you reckon the footage still exists?
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Apparently not. It had cut to a video hyping the match upcoming Godfather Vs Blue (Owen Hart) Blazer

When they video ended it went right to Ross looking shock. I think Jerry the King went to see what was happening.

So any recorded footage would have been in the hands of WWF only. And obviously they were never going to release it
 
Supposedly the incident occurred when they were on a commercial break so WWE claim that their is no recorded footage of his death as they weren't filming.

Only Vince and his top level cronies will no if this is true or not.

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Or what Randall said :D
 
Stuff about it being held at an "Olympic" location?

Could be a US stadium that's hosted them before.
 
Silva said:
Isn't every 10th mania in MSG?
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WrestleMania 1, 10 and 20 have been but I can't see them going back there for 30. WrestleMania 29 is being held in New York City, and MSG is only a 22,000 seater, they haven't held one at a venue with less than 70,000 seats since WrestleMania 22.
 
It's more symbolic than anything else really isn't it? Besides, imagine the insane amounts they can charge for tickets at MSG.. If a run of the mill ticket at WM28 cost $150 the cheapest you'll get in a 22,000 seater will be in the $200-300 region. Not to mention, the atmosphere would be absolutely fecking insane.
 
Anyone here ever watch NXT? It's insane. Guys like Johnny Curtis and Derreck Bateman have much more personality than some people higher up the card.

 
MUFCgal said:
Please let WM30 be in London :drool:

I would so be there (if you manage to get tickets of course!).
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Where in the UK though? The weather in March/April isn't exactly reliable so it's going to have to be somewhere indoors or a stadium with a retractable roof. The O2 arena can't hold enough people for it to merit getting WM30 can it? What else do we really have? That said, I'd so fecking be there.

Wonder Pigeon said:
Anyone here ever watch NXT? It's insane. Guys like Johnny Curtis and Derreck Bateman have much more personality than some people higher up the card.

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:lol: I love NXT
 
Silva said:
Where in the UK though? The weather in March/April isn't exactly reliable so it's going to have to be somewhere indoors or a stadium with a retractable roof. The O2 arena can't hold enough people for it to merit getting WM30 can it? What else do we really have? That said, I'd so fecking be there.


:lol: I love NXT
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I flew to Detroit for WM23 in 2007. It was a fantastic experience, but I don't fancy flying all that way again, so London would be perfect :D
 
As far as I'm aware the roof there doesn't fully close and if it rained the pitch (and therefore the ring) would be very much exposed. Or does it actually close properly? As in, not an ounce of rain can get through?
 
Does the roof close? Will I get wet if it rains?
SHOW

For the majority of event days at Wembley Stadium, the roof is in its fully closed position – lined up with the touchlines leaving the seats covered but the pitch uncovered.

This is how Wembley Stadium has been designed as it allows for the playing surface to receive maximum sunlight. Wembley Stadium does not move the sliding roof whilst visitors are in the Stadium.

In the event of heavy rain some visitors on Level 1 can get wet, so we would recommend visitors dress accordingly.

As Wembley Stadium’s roof does not close fully, visitors with tickets for the standing pitch area at concerts will get wet in the event of rain.

http://www.wembleystadium.com/FAQs?s={30389DBC-BD49-413F-BF1E-82E41260A8B8}

If I were the WWE I wouldn't risk Wembley.
 
Apparently there's a good chance of rain at 29 as well - the ring's not a problem, they can cover that, it'd just be a bit shit for a few of the fans. A bigger problem would be the TV scheduling, do you have the event starting extremely late in London - 12AM on a Monday morning if it's the same as this year's - or do you start it in the afternoon in the US, potentially harming the buy-rate? I'd say LA is most likely.
 
Yeah, as much as we can dream... I just can't see WWE moving it's biggest show and most profitable show of the year to London, where the buyrate would have the potential to be harmed significantly. Especially considering they haven't done a PPV over here for over 20 years! It would be way too risky for them.

They might take it up to Canada perhaps? Or what about that American Football stadium in, i think, Texas, that has the biggest screen in the world above the pitch?
 
London wouldn't really harm it's profitability.....but they'd have to change times and stuff for it. In fact due to making it earlier, you'd probably see more buyrates in Europe, but that'd be cancelled by other losses from America, so kind of mute. But the WWE have always been a "about the fans" company as you'll get and they probably do think they should give Europe a good PPV again and would accept the losses for that, though I don't think they'd be huge losses.

29 is in New Jersey, that was the death knell to the MSG Wrestlemania tbh, shitty arena, too small for WM at this point(20 was the last great WM though, but it terms of scope and production its quite small to all around it). Though I believe it's getting a refurb soon.

London is after all, the only city that really rivals New York, so in that sense makes sense. But I can't see it happening, maybe a bit further down the line.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Yeah, as much as we can dream... I just can't see WWE moving it's biggest show and most profitable show of the year to London, where the buyrate would have the potential to be harmed significantly. Especially considering they haven't done a PPV over here for over 20 years! It would be way too risky for them.

They might take it up to Canada perhaps? Or what about that American Football stadium in, i think, Texas, that has the biggest screen in the world above the pitch?
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Texas has never hosted the Olympic games. Canada has in Montreal, Vancouver and Calgary but I've no idea if they'd be able to host a Wrestlemania. Mexico City has also hosted the Olympics, maybe they'd take it there for the first time.
 
Here is the Jericho/Fozzy story from PWIsider last week

Jericho is slated to remain with the company full-time through the first week of June. He will tour Great Britain with his band Fozzy the week of 6/6 and handle hosting duties for The Metal Hammer Golden Gods Awards in London on 6/11.

Jericho is slated to return to WWE the following week and is expected to work for WWE through August, at which point his band Fozzy will join The Rockstar Uproar Tour, which runs from 8/15 through 9/30.

So, if the company wants him, Jericho will be available for their June and July PPVs. Summerslam is out of the question.

Jericho is currently being advertised for the WWE European tour in the Fall as well.

So, while he is leaving and taking time off for Fozzy, he's not "leaving" in the sense that he's departing from the company forever.
 
Just something to look at, anyone on GameFAQs will be able to read more from this guy.

So on the WWE board at GameFaqs.com, there’s a poster who worked as an assistant for the writing team from September to December last year and is giving away some neat insights about the day-to-day workings of the writing process and some tidbits on some of the stars and personalities. It seems legit; the detail of his work was pretty, uh, detailed, and he posted a pic of the office he worked out of and a couple of the one-sheets from the shows. Some of the information is obvious (Cena and Orton have backstage pull on their angles, etc.) but there have some some interesting things he’s revealed (Sheamus was the planned Rumble winner since the previous summer and not a last-second swerve as a result of Chris Jericho, D-Bry being against pairing up with AJ). I’ve gleamed some of the better bits from the topic and thought I’d pass them along since a common cry on the Blog of Doom is “What are they thinking?” And I think it at least beats a fantasy booking e-mail.

I’ve included a lengthy list, so feel free to cherry-pick. If you’re asking why I simply didn’t include a link to said forum, it’s because the WWE board is inaccessible to anyone who doesn’t have enough “karma” built up on the site to keep the trolls out. If this makes for a blog entry, I’d be more than happy to do a follow-up e-mail later on as the topic continues.

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His duties:

“Mainly note-taking and updating many documents that helped the writers do their jobs. There was a document that had the last 6 episodes of Raw and Smackdown broken down by segment. Another that listed the ‘Last 5 Times’ something was done (like the belt being used as a weapon, or a chair being used, or interference in a match). That stuff had to be updated every week so the writers could refer to it whenever needed.

There was a ton of word processing basically. Each week to write the shows we would write the numbers 1 to 11 on the board (the segments of the shows) and just discuss the stories and where to put things. Then I or another assistant would create a "one sheeter" out of those. Basically list each segment and a few bullet points of what they would consist of. The writers would then use this as a guideline to write the scripts.

The writing team is divided into a home team that stays in Stamford, and a road team that travels to all the shows. Unfortunately I was on the home team. My only backstage experience was at Survivor Series which was pretty dope.”

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On who he answered to:

“Probably Brian Gewirtz, who was my true boss. If the writers told me one thing and Brian said another, Brian's word goes. Always.”

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On scripting promos and on-the-fly changes:

“Cena has been known to throw the script out and do his own thing on occasion. I'm sure Punk does occasionally. Ziggler has gone off script a time or two and was reprimanded for it. It's hard to tell for me because the writing process is sort of an assembly line. We wrote the outline and first drafts of the script in Stamford after approval by Vince, then they'd go to the head writers and always through at least three more drafts. Then there'd be another meeting with Vince on location at the arena the morning of every show. More changes are made. Then there's last minute changes that are made with so little notice that they don't even have time to be put down on paper. Then of course someone may go out in front of the crowd and forget part of their lines, or choose to improvise for whatever reason. But the bulk of that happened outside of my view. So most times the Raw that aired monday was very different than the one that left the offices the week before, and I didn't always know where the changes occurred.”

On backstage pull:

“About as much input as you would expect. Orton, Punk and especially Cena have a lot of say in their stories I think. After Survivor Series, Cena felt he shouldn't lose clean again (or preferably at all) until Wrestlemania, and so he didn't. When Jericho was in talks of coming back, it was under the conditions that he work with Punk and put him over at Wrestlemania (Jericho's demands, not WWE's). He also came up with the light bright jacket thing and paid for it himself (I heard $10g for the first one). Cody Rhodes said in a recent interview that he had his leather vest cape thing custom made and paid for it himself, so I guess to a certain degree the wrestlers are responsible for their own characters. But on the other hand, Daniel Bryan complained a lot about being put into a story with AJ because his last girlfriend storyline with Gail Kim was so bad, but he couldn't really do anything about it.

So I guess you could say it varies quite a bit.”

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On the tag and Divas divisions:

“The thing with Vince is he goes through these weird and seemingly random phases. For a while he'll be into the tag division, then he couldn't care less. He'll want to do Diva storylines, then he doesn't care if they make it on the show at all. He'll hire someone like Tamina and not do crap with them for years, then one day ask "Why aren't we doing anything with Tamina Snuka? She's a Snuka goddammit!" and Tamina will get a random push.

Right now I guess he's in the mood for some attention on the tag division.”

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On HHH and Stephanie:

“Triple H is super cool. I actually met him in the men’s room. While he was washing his hands I nervously introduced myself and he took a second to stop, look me in the eye, say good to meet you and make sure he got my full name right. Also from my understanding he was the voice of reason that would reel in many of Vince's crazy ideas in the meetings.

Steph is very nice also, but does have a tendency to stare at you in a sort of psychotic-looking manner. But she's friendly and jokes around and tries to know everyone's name.

They're just normal people really.”

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On the anonymous GM:

“There were a few directions they were considering. The obvious one being Vince, but they also were heavily considering JBL. But Vince killed the story. In fact at one point when the head writers pushed him to at least tie up the loose end some how, Vince suggested to reveal that it was Laurinaitis all along in a "throwaway line backstage."

The whole thing was dropped though. When Vince stops caring about something, it's dead.”

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On FCW:

“Sure there was a booklet that had bios of the "top talent" of FCW. We would also get weekly FCW DVD's of the latest show which were available for whoever had time to watch them, but any decisions as far as new talent debuts or anything like that were done by Talent Development, which Triple H is in charge of together with Matt Martolaro, former FCW announcer.

But on occasion we would have a task like "We need a list of the top 5 choices for names for Donny Marlow." And we discussed as a group and put our favorites on the board. They had to be cleared by the legal team to make sure we could trademark them. Marlow and Hunico themselves liked Camacho best, so Camacho it became.

I remember seeing paperwork for Ryback 's debut plan. It included the design of his attire as well as storyboards for his vignettes, but I guess they decided not to do the vignettes.

That's the thing about the place, and about TV in general I guess, it's so so SO fluid. Things change constantly and at last minute and you have to learn to just go with it.”

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On Punk at Survivor Series:

“I can tell you a CM Punk story from Survivor Series. Punk was warming up because his match was coming up soon. He was jogging in place and such backstage psyching himself up. MSG is a relatively small arena backstage, so things were a bit cramped. About 20 feet away Miz and Truth were about to pre-tape their backstage interview with Matt Striker (who btw purposely opens his stance up so he's shorter than the people he interviews).

The PA asked everyone to quiet down so Miz and Truth could record there thing. It's at this moment that Punk starts doing box jumps. While everyone else is silent, he's jumping loudly on and off a storage crate. The PA comes over and says something like "I'm sorry Punk but we're trying to tape this thing. Could you please keep it down?"

Punk says nothing, continues jogging in place but turns over to Miz and Truth and flips them off.

I think he was just joking around, but he did seem like kind of a douche.”

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On Kane’s re-masking and feuding with Cena instead of Henry:

“From what I can recall, though Kane was taken out by Mark Henry, Glenn Jacobs did not want to come back and feud with him for whatever reason. So they instead had him return on RAW and go after Cena, though I think it was already planned when he was written off with the broken ankle that he would come back with the mask.

However the design of the outfit, as well as the look and filming of the vignettes teasing his return were both done by other departments and had nothing to do with the writers. We were as anxious to see what he would look like when he returned as everyone else.”

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On the Natalya Neidhart “farting” gimmick:

“We used to make fun of Natalya a lot because from what we heard she had kind of an eccentric personality. It was in good fun though and not malicious, but at some point the "Nattie Neidfart" joke came up and we had a good laugh talking about stupid stuff like changing her move to the "shartshooter." Several weeks later when I was already fired and the story actually made it to TV my jaw dropped and I cracked up. You'd be surprised how much stuff is done just as a rib on people.”

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On Daniel Bryan:

“Everyone knew that DB would not hold the briefcase until Wrestlemania. I don't know why that became part of his story, but likely it was a promise he could break later to facilitate a heel turn. I heard that Bryan winning MitB was actually a last minute same-day decision. From what I could tell, nobody had much faith in Bryan as a draw while he was a face. Bryan almost had to turn heel, because he wasn't very good at giving face promos. When he first won the championship and started cutting promos still as a face, he would emphasize the wrong parts and say things in the wrong tone. It actually came out kind of obnoxious and heelish, which probably encouraged the decision to turn him. However when he became champion, Vince and the writing team wanted to do a very "sophisticated" and slow-burn gradual heel turn which obviously worked wonderfully. I think they had a lot of fun with that story. I remember something in the notes that came in once that said something like

* From now on, when Daniel Bryan wins any match he should celebrate like it's the biggest victory of his life

This is was when he was right in the middle of the gradual heel turn and that's where YES! was born.”

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On Nash/Punk/HHH:

“It was Nash not being medically cleared to compete by the time he was supposed to face Punk. The writers had to scramble and think of a reason to stall the story, and then it became Kevin Nash vs. Triple H. Again the story took on a life of its own and they had to go through with the feud, even though it was pretty clear Nash had nothing to offer. Instead of Big Daddy Cool, he was screaming all of his promos. His ring abilities were shoddier than ever. So it was decided Nash and Trips would have one blow off match and we'd be done with Kevin Nash on the show. Punk vs. Nash almost happened on RAW a few times, just to tie up the loose end, but I think they didn't want Nash competing a big match before his match with Triple H so it never happened.”

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On Brodus Clay’s gimmick change:

“The whole writing team was under the impression that Brodus would come back as the monster heel depicted in the vignettes. It was Vince who saw things differently. When the vignettes were already airing and the writing team asked him when they should debut Brodus, Vince said something like "What's his character? We don't have anything for him. I don't understand who Brodus Clay is. Let's hold off on his debut until we have a better idea."

Backstage it was well known that Brodus has a lot of charisma, loves kids and is a great talker. Vince decided he wanted Brodus as a face, and for some reason, despite Brodus having no dancing ability, he wanted Brodus to dance.

They worked on the gimmick for weeks, mainly down in FCW (as dark segments I assume). All of it was completely out of the writers hands and was probably handled by Talent Development instead. The reason his debut was teased so much was because at first we thought he was ready, then Vince would decide he isn't ready yet. His ring work isn't up to par, or the choreography isn't good enough, or the outfit needs work still, or the whole production needs more time, or the timing is off. All kinds of stuff like that.

When Brodus finally debuted, the writers came into work the next day and the reaction was as mixed as it was [on the IWC]. Some thought it was cheesy and a disaster, some thought it was fun and entertaining, some thought it just needed time to get over.

In the end, it was a way more fun and original idea to make him the Funkasaurus than generic monster heel #622978 I think.

Although admittedly after a while we had Laurinaitis tease Brodus's debut just to get him heat. There was an idea that Brodus would debut as a monster, but then turn on Laurinaitis and break out the dancing character. Or that Laurinaitis would be under the impression that he was bringing in a monster, only to be dismayed when Brodus shows up dancing. There were a few possibilities, but they ultimately decided to drop Brodus and Johnny's connection all together.”

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On Zack Ryder’s depush:

“I didn't feel that the writers had anything against Ryder really. I think Gewirtz feels that he's a natural underdog, and that's why people like him. The moment you give him too much exposure or success, he's no longer an underdog and becomes annoying so they try to stick to that.

Any personal feelings that stop someone from getting more success probably come from Vince himself. Absolutely no major plot points, no title wins or face/heel turns get on TV without Vince's approval.”
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