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Lol, way to shift goal posts
What a sensible and intelligent post. Couldn't agree more with what you said.
Let's just trust the manager and the board and see how things pan out.
We all know where our weaknesses are and where we need to improve, and one of the things I like Jose for is he can actually see those weaknesses unlike our previous two managers.
What do you mean shift the goal posts? You can’t moan that Mourinho is not achieving what Pep has done when
1) Pep has spent considerly more money
2) Had a much better base squad in the first place
If we had another £170m to spend in the last two years thats money for another 4 players.
Pep being a better coach and making better signings largely factors into it as well.
Last season all I heard was that Pep won the league with 100 points because he spent $500m while we spent $300m. Seeing as we'll probably have spent $500m by the beginning of next season I'm assuming we should be hoping for similar performances/points to City last season notwithstanding what City does right?
Nah mate, Jose can't be expected to compete with Pep unless he inherits the players Pep got, gets the players Pep bought, and spends the exact same amount Pep spends. We should just list teams according to their spending and draw up the league table, managers and the football are irrelevant
Trusting the manager and the board worked out brilliantly with Moyes and LVG...
Pep’s first season was nothing short of a disaster. His signings didn’t work out. City are in a position if signings dont work out they can correct that mistake in one summer.
We can’t do that. Yes we have a lot of money but if we go and pay £30m for say Shaw we are still trying to get some value back from the transfer even when it’s clear as day he’s not good enough. Same with Fellaini, Darmian, Blind, Herrera, Mata.
But keep blaming Jose for our situation. The roots of the problem at this club are far deeper than the manager. I’m not blaming Fergie for the lack of investment but when Ronaldo left in 2008 there was a serious lack of investment in the squad for years and that left us behind. Then we have hire two terrible managers who ingrained the wrong mentality and spent shockingly bad.
Before Jose joined he was arguably the second best manager in the world if not the best manager in the world. If he can’t turn things around then I don’t hold much hope for any other manager who takes the job.
He got sacked by us having won only 4 /16 league games, with the squad mutinying against him and having caused all kinds of issues with Eva Carneiro, who was suing us. The football played even in the title winning season after the Sprus game was beyond tumescent, scrappy 1-0 wins and pretty unwatchable.
Personally I think Mourinho changed after the Madrid job. He's not even close to the same manager he was in his first spell with us, at Port or Inter. He seems to be utterly joyless these days.
And is still your most successful manager...
I think it's a bit different. Moyes came in and it was almost as if he didn't know what to do with a transfer budget haven't lived on chicken feed at Everton. Spent all summer chasing Baines whilst top transfer targets slipped away elsewhere and then signed fellaini who we didn't need on transfer deadline day. Then all he did in January was sign Mata. It was if he had no transfer strategy, no scouting network and no idea what was wrong with his own team.
Van Gaal came in to play antique football and again seemed to be lacking in strategy. Sold Hernandez and Welbeck whilst wasting time signing Falcao on loan. Signed Di Maria because Real Madrid made it clear there was no place for him in their team as a marketing ploy and we dived in to sign him. I think it's the reverse of Moyes LVG seemed to just spend the money for the sake of it. Lost Vidic, Rio and Evra, signed Rojo. Signed Blind and Herrera even though we already had Fellaini, Carrick, Cleverley, Anderson, Fletcher and Kagawa. I know they were'nt ideal but why was he not addressing the short areas of our squad? He then loaned out all of our wingers! Second summer was just as bad, he added Schweinsteiger and Schneiderlin as well as Martial and Depay, why two left wingers not one right one left? Why get rid of Rafael an athletic wing back and sign donkey Darmian? Why let Van Persie go then not sign a class striker?
Mourinho has been better on recruitment no one can argue that. Bailly, Ibrahimovic, Mikhi, Pogba, Lindelof, Sanchez, Matic, Lukaku, Fred, Dalot all seem better signings and can make a strong core to our team and then we can sort out the wide positions. Look how he turned around Chelsea's squad between 2013 - 2015 with a low net spend.
We also have to be honest and say that our days of dominating the premier league year in year out are over. We used to win it 4 out of 5 seasons. Tv money has changed that. Other clubs have a lot of money to spend. We can't crush everyone financially any more on the size of our ground and global net worth. Other teams have big money for big transfer fees, big wages and big salaries. Teams full of champions league winners get relegated (Stoke).
If you don't trust the current board and manager then I suggest you don't support Man Utd. Simple. What other manager do you want in? Who's got as much pedigree as Mourinho and is available? Do you want Wenger? Benitez? Ancelloti? How have they fared in the premier league?
I trust things are moving forwards and I think our squad is improving. We needed a rebuild and Moyes nor LVG even touched on that. They put us 3 years behind. I also think Mourinho has a transfer strategy. We need to stop saying a season is awful if we don't win the league. We should be challenging for the league and going far in cups but if you expect a treble every season go and support Bayern or Celtic. I will support Utd even if we are in League 2 somehow someday.
Mourinho is bulletproof to some fans. I’m sure there will be a whole new set of excuses as to why we are still playing utterly shit, mind numbingly boring football and coming up short again next season.
1. What on earth gives you the right to judge other supporters' commitment and 2. What sort of batshit logic is that? Surely a genuine supporter is more likely to rely on objective analysis than blind loyalty?
Sorry pal, I've no issue with the rest of your post but that bolder part is just nonsense.
You think Pep's first season was a disaster, so do you think the money he spent and the 3-4 players he bought is the sole reason they moved from 4th to a record breaking season giving us a 17 point gap given that Jose had an arguably better first season with two trophies, bought 3-4 players too yet never even looked like challenging them?
I wouldn't bother mate. Jose is (bizarrely) God to some on here. He can do no wrong whatsoever. The tumescent football at both Chelsea and United was obviously down to the players and had nothing at all to do with shithouse tactics from the manager.
I personally see the meltdown coming, after his first year success and gamble getting Utd back into the CL he was backed by the club in the summer to kick on. Instead of kicking on we have regressed, not only in our silverware but our football as well. He just doesn’t seem to be able to get the best out of his players and his shining young talent have regressed instead of progressed and the signing of Sanchez could still prove to be his biggest mistake yet.
Can you imagine the pressure on Jose’s shoulders should Martial leave and Rashford have a cracking World Cup. We all know that the signing of Fred and a young talent won’t be making the difference to catch City and if we resign Fellaini well his goose will be as good as cooked before the season starts(last year we also only signed 3 players in the summer). We will first have to offload some players before we can buy new ones.
History has proven how well Jose deals with that type of pressure and how will Jose react if we are out of the title race by December, as by nature everyone and everything will be blamed except Jose. I really hope it doesn’t happen purely because I am a fan and supporter of the club but at the same time can’t wait to see him leave with his crap football, the same way as when Utd replaced LvG. I just hope our next manager is a completely different type of manager than what we have had since SAF, couldn’t stomach another defensive, reactive coach with slow dire/boring football again.
Can you imagine the pressure on Jose’s shoulders should Martial leave and Rashford have a cracking World Cup. We all know that the signing of Fred and a young talent won’t be making the difference to catch City and if we resign Fellaini well his goose will be as good as cooked before the season starts(last year we also only signed 3 players in the summer). We will first have to offload some players before we can buy new ones.
History has proven how well Jose deals with that type of pressure and how will Jose react if we are out of the title race by December, as by nature everyone and everything will be blamed except Jose. I really hope it doesn’t happen purely because I am a fan and supporter of the club but at the same time can’t wait to see him leave with his crap football, the same way as when Utd replaced LvG. I just hope our next manager is a completely different type of manager than what we have had since SAF, couldn’t stomach another defensive, reactive coach with slow dire/boring football again.
Well it's very obvious. What is one individual fan going to do? Sack the board and manager? Whining because they personally don't like mourinho obviously and are literally already hoping he has a meltdown season to our detriment just so he might get sacked? Saying that the board were wrong to trust the last two managers? They didn't that's why they sacked them. That's batshit. And that is lack of commitment, to say 'I hope this season is awful so Mourinho is sacked', just like Moyes and Van Gaal. Hence the title of this whole thread.
I gave Moyes and Van Gaal a fair crack and while they were managing looked for the positives and supported the team. And I trust Mourinho to take us forward. Last year we had our highest placed league finish since SAF, a cup final and a disappointing Champions league campaign. SAF lost cup finals. SAF had a disappointing champions league campaign or two. Remember that year we finished bottom of the group? We stuck by him based on his past success at our club. Mourinho has past success too, albeit at other clubs. Everyone seems to think last season was appaling, and hopes Mourinho will be gone next year. What happens then? Another manager comes in, wants to change the whole squad, everyone whines and complains, then he gets sacked half way through and then same again? Look at Liverpool, how has their managerial merry go round helped them?
So yes, I can doubt another supporters commitment when they are sat there two months before the season starts, whining about what players we haven't signed when the shops been open for business for two minutes, comparing the manager to past failed ones and saying they hope he has a meltdown this season( which would mean a poor season for the club) just so he can be sacked because they don't like him. Can't people just be excited by the transfer window, enjoy the World Cup, and wait for us to kick a few balls this season before spouting that nonsense? That's what supporting your club is. Suppose though that unhappiness is some peoples happiness
You want to give Mourinho time because of his "past" success but doubt another supporters commitment to the club when they objectively make a statement for the famous Mourinho meltdown based upon his "past". So we're to only look at the positives in Mourinho's past and completely ignore all the negatives?
Let's all just stick our heads in the sand and wish for rainbows and daisies because surely Top reds like you will definitely will the team to unparalled success. Who the feck are we to whine and debate on a united "forum" about the upcoming season eh?
Seriously, who the feck are you to judge a supporters commitment? I watch Football to be entertained and over the 18 years of supporting and watching United this is the first season I've missed matches because watching United has become a chore sometimes. I've had a commitment to United all these years as a supporter, not to any single player and certainly not to Mourinho.
I can however remove the rose tinted glasses and judge the season and manager fairly and call it as it is.
Oh ok, here we are again, Boring football. Don't use that as a guide to try and hide that you are just anti Mourinho. By what you just said you never missed any Van Gaal games then? They entertained you did they? And yes, by al means debate next season but don't whine about it and rubbish it based on who we haven't signed yet when the transfer dealings are not over, or what happened with our manager in another clubs past.
And just on the flip side, okay, let's sack mourinho tomorrow. Who do we appoint, who does he sign and what tactics does he employ to bring success? This isn't Fifa. Don't say pep and then bale Neymar and messi. Bournemouth and Watford play nice entertaining football, so are you happy to finish 12th or 14th next season as long as we play nice football? Arsenal played lovely football what did they win in the last 15 years?
And yes, the commitment to the club also means commitment to the manager in charge. If you feel that strongly take a break, go support your local conference side and come back when things here suit you
Terrific post. Couldn't have said it any better.
going by his past then there is every chance he will have the melt down, the signs are there. moaning about transfers for example, many have really be a success? hes spent a bomb as well. hes blamed players, blamed ed blamed the fans, but we all knew this when we signed him because we thought he would deliver us the premiership with 1-0 wins. if he aint delivery the title then is there really any point to us having him here ?
I think you are spot on, personally I think Jose now has a similar level of squad to when Pep took over City.
City had/have: Hart, Kolarov, Kompany, Otamendi, Fernandinho, Toure, Silva, KDB, Sterling and Augero
United now have: DDG, Bailley, Smalling, Matic, Pogba, Lukaku, Sanchez, Martial, Lingard and Rashford
A point I keep making. Regardless of our manager I just don't think our squad building and transfer strategy has been good enough. TransferMarket has the value of City's current squad at 1 billion and ours at 800 million. I think even If the roles were reversed and we had Pep and city had Mourinho I don't see how we could have overhauled city last season with the difference In personnel. 200 million in today's market is a few good players! Took Pep two summers to sort out with a trophy less 4th place in between as he cleared dead wood from
His squad. Ours was even worse. It's taken two transfer windows to get to similar to what he inherited and improved.
The question that then arises is what about Liverpool? They haven't spent as much as we have but were very close to us in the table and played better football. They may have failed to win trophies but at the moment I would say they are closer to challenging City than we are and don't have as many questions to answer as we do. We don't know our best 11 sometimes and we don't get the most out of the squad we have.
Why do a lot of people like watching Liverpool play last season? Yes they were attacking but it was because they still had that defensive frality that made every game they were involved with exciting.
They got 4th and reach the Champions League final. I know they beat City but the rest of their way to the final wasn’t exactly difficult. They seem to know City’s weakness. And before you say well we lost to Sevilla, that’s knock out football and Jose tactics or not the two games the entire 11 were poor.
I don’t think Liverpool are any closer to City than we are, that’s just my opinion, but just because they play attacking doesn’t mean they have better chance of winning the title than us.
I've never hidden the fact that I don't like Mourinho as a person but I respect his achievements and stature in world football to give him a fair shot at bringing us back to where we belong. 2 seasons in and the team still looks devoid of any clear identity and he's spent almost half a billion pound.
Yes, I never missed any Van Gaal games, am I supposed to feel bad about it?
Do you really think if we sacked Mourinho and made the Job open, one of the biggest clubs in the world couldn't find an alternative. Hypothetically, What do you think will happen if he does get sacked, is SAF going to come out of retirement since one of the biggest clubs in the world cannot find anybody else for the job? are you really that naive?
Bournemouth and Watford play nice and entertaining football and I like watching their games. Unlike you, my affection for teams isn't based upon their trophy counts and mega star signings. I started supporting United in 2003 when I was 7 because they played fast,attacking football and Beckham had a unique way of hitting the ball and Scholes became my idol in midfield.
I sure didn't think of how many Trophies we had won in the last 15 years. United didn't win the league that season but gained a supporter for life.
Once again, who the feck are you to tell other people how and why they support United over an internet forum? Commitment to a manager is earned, SAF earned it over 22 fecking years and you go on ahead and compare him to Mourinho who changes clubs every 3rd season. If that wasn't the biggest slap to SAF's legacy as a United manager I dont know what is.
You can stick your head in the sand if you want to, doesn't mean I have to do so too.
Van Gaal's football was much worse than Mourinho so you're contradicting your point of watching football for entertainment and stopping going to games because of that basis.
Go and talk to Notts Forest, Leeds, Derby and Villa fans about getting 'where you belong', and how far you can fall after dominating football for an era. Footballs a slippery slope and no one can hope to stay at the top of it for too long.
And sorry, you're obviously a fickle fan if you would stop attending games because you dont like Mourinho or we dont play playstation football at the moment. And that garbage about Bournemouth and Watford? You said Utd gained a fan for life? You sound more like a neutral.
We wont ever be a Ferguson side again, I'm literally laughing out loud that you think I think SAF is going to come out of retirement? when have I ever said that?
And thats what I'm on about, historians who fell in love with SAF and the class of 92 and are now crying because its gone. Lets cry about Matt Busby and his Babes too while we are there. Can we bring Georgie back from the dead, have Sir Bobby stick his boots on as he's still alive! you were 7 in 2003? so born in 96? Can I advise, go look at the start of Fergie's Man Utd career in 86. Many die hard Utd fans will admit they wanted him sacked back then and will admit how wrong they were. Long term success wont be brought by chopping and changing quickly, and I think a lot of history loving Man Utd fans want to blame everything under the sun to avoid admitting our days of empire are over. Liverpool have stuck by Klopp for a while by their standards now and it looks like something is close to fruition (though I hate to admit it). You cant even answer with anything more than 'someones out there' to a managerial alternative.
Of course we can get a new manager but is it going to solve anything whatsoever? are they going to suddenly make Daley Blind Paul Scholes? Turn Young left footed and make Valencia the best crosser in Europe? Stop Man City and Chelsea and Liverpool spending to compete with us? Will they play the best football in human history? Guess who currently has the all time highest win rate for a Manchester United Manager?
Are we where we were? Not at the moment, but keep your toys in the pram because football has never been like that. It goes beyond managers really, and its pathetic to pray we have a poor season so a manager can get sacked because you incorrectly think that will solve everything. Too many fans are looking over their shoulders, comparing everything to the SAF era and blaming players, tactics, managers for the fact we arent that way anymore. Until we can drop that wistfulness everything surrounding the club is going to be a dissapointment until the end of time. Football is a changed landscape. Thats history now. I loved Beckham and Scholes too, but now we have Sanchez and Pogba. It's not going to be the same. Bit like expecting your new dog to be the same as your old dead one and crying everytime you see it out of dissapointment.
And you're lucky you actually were born to the best era in our history, My dad supported us through the 70's and early 80s. In 15 years we won 3 FA Cups, 2 Charity Shields and a Second Division title because we were relegated at one point on 74. We weren't going to be top of the tree forever. You're right, its not all about trophies but if you're winning trophies it tends to mean your winning a lot of games, attracting more skillful 'entertaining' players. Suppose though you'd be happy to watch us lose 6-5 every week and be relegated come May wouldn't you by what you are saying.
Obviously you're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to disagree with it. I feel your solution is quite simple, accept Mourinho is in charge, hate him or love him, and try and support your team next season, support your team through thick and thin like a normal fan or by your own admission, feck off and buy an entertaining Bournemouth or Watford Season Ticket. Unbelievable.
Did you just call DDG deadwood? Wow. You're considering Bailly a failed signing? He's often looked like our best CB, but I suppose it's Jose's fault he's been injured and unfit for large spells this season, yeah?
What does Darmian and Blind have to do with anything? Everything!
The squad Jose inherited was a broken mess, it staggered to 5th place based on strangling games and winning with 1-2 shots on target.
It had Rooney, Schneiderlain and Fellaini as their central midfielders. Blind and Darmian as their fullbacks, it was the worst squad I've ever seen in my lifetime.
Now how do you clearout 15-20 players that are NOT good enough to win you a league title? In 2 summers? Do you feck! You do it over 4-5 years, as you only have 100-150mil to spend each year and you need continuity.
If Jose had cleared out 20 players last summer he would have had an empty squad, because he can't go out and spend 600mil-700mill required to overhaul the squad in 1 window. Look at City, they've invested around 700-800million on their current squad over a 4 year period, yet people expect United to overtake Man City, instantly when spending 300million, it's simple math my friend. This squad is still midway through a re-build, City isn't. Some fans don't have the ability to be realists and see that through no fault of Mourinho, United have slipped squad-wise well behind City due to poor investment. I mention only City, because they're the only team better than us, thanks to Mourinho's rebuild. Previous to Mourinho, we couldn't even get in the top 4. We couldn't catch Arsenal. Now we're the 2nd best team in England whilst still mid-way through our re-build. Spot the upward trajectory.
Banding around "he's spent $300m he should be winning titles" is ridiculous when you see the mediocre squad he's overhauling and the fact it's less than half of what City spent to construct their title winning squad.
So what does Blind and Darmian have to do with it? They have to stay in the squad until we can adequately replace them! Why did he beg Fellaini to stay? Because our midfield was awful when Mourinho joined United.
He got rid of:
Schewinsteiger
Schneiderlain
Rooney
Carrick (Retired)
And he's introduced
Pogba
McTomminay
Matic
Fred
Mourinho doesn't want to play Fellaini for 50 games in a deep midfield role. He wants him as an alternative option from the bench every now and then, until he can adequately replace him!
So if he is to flog Fellaini, he needs to buy another CM or end up a midfielder light for the season, yet fans like you are criticising him for keeping him - it baffles me! Surely it's more important to invest in a RW or in the Wingbacks than to buy a replacement for Fellaini, our back-up CM? It's about priorities, he can't replace every rubbish player in 1 swoop you know.
Do you expect Mourinho to buy 15 players in 1 window, and sell 15 in 1 window? Do you feck! It's a slow process and takes years. I'm sure this entire blueprint has been laid out to the board and the people that matter, he doesn't need to come out to fans like you and explain himself. This is one of the most decorated managers in the history of the game we're talking about here.
You say Mkhi fecked off - he has been cleverly replaced by one of the best attackers the PL currently has. Sanchez WILL come good at United. His form was poor well before he came here, he WILL play his way out of it because he's truly world class. So I don't see Mkhi as a failed signing, because he aided the arrival of Sanchez.
Lindelof is young, and has time to adapt and improve, very harsh to judge him after just one season.
Pogba is in his early to mid 20's, he is a player with genuine star quality and is only going to get better, but of course, right him off to help your argument against Mourinho. Lets re-visit in 2 more years and see where Pogba is.
You also Dismiss the fact he's signed and developed Lukaku, his game is twice what it was for Everton. At Everton he was a poacher, that was it. He was branded lazy by his own supporters, yet for United, he's an all round attacker, hard working, does so much off the ball that you probably don't even see. That is development, but you just coast past that to make Mourinho out to be a bad manager. Ignore the signing of Matic, a winner, experienced and adds bucket loads of reassurance to our was sh!te midfield.
How about you allow this guy the time to complete his re-build and see where we are in 2 years. He's already dramatically improved our league fortunes, over 80 points, from 6th to 2nd, back to back CL qualifications, 3 cup finals in 2 seasons. It's there in black and white. Ignore it with your agenda.
Finally, someone else who can actually see the real world, and who isn't a spoilt man-child fan who thinks we have a divine right to win everything because we are Manchester United.
See some of my previous posts, I thought I was the only person on this forum who was swimming against this sea of sh!te on this forum.
They played better football because they were lucky enough that Salah went from being an average international player to an absolute world beater. These things can just happen and without Salah, they'd have struggled to get top 4. They were around 4th-5th when they sold Coutinho and many pundits said they wouldn't reach top 4. Then Salah exploded.
They've also won nothing. Their manager is a serial loser. He can't win cup finals. They may not get to another CL final for 10-20 years now. They finished comfortably behind us in the league, we beat them comfortably in our recent League game because our manager has multiple styles and tactics of playing, and theirs has a very honest/naive 1 dimensional way of playing, also because our manager coached a right footed winger into playing Left Back and putting the best player in the world at the time, Salah in his pocket.
@Jonno I can't be bothered to quote that long ass car crash of a post, I don't even know what you are saying anymore. But yeah, if Jose doesn't win something serious this season after spending probably $500m he'll be rightly sacked
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I find the worst football we played our Van Gaal similar to the worst we play under Mourinho which is infuriating since he's had 2 seasons and spent 500 million. You may not think so and you're entitled to your opinion.
I'm a fickle fan for missing 2 games in a season where I fell asleep while watching the games in South East Asia on a business trip and the UCL matches are aired at around 1am.
Also the garbage about Bournemouth and Watford ? Seems like you need to go and watch a few of your local conference sides to know the magic of watching lower table sides that play good football. So watching Bournemouth and Watford play means I'm a neutral fan? What kind of loon logic is that
.Then there's 2 paragraphs of the history of our club that doesn't really makes any sense in context to the debate we are having.
Finding a new manager isn't going to change anything? Gee, If only the board knew as much as you. We could have stuck with Moyes and he'd be leading us to European glory and Premier League dominance if only he was given more time. He also inherited a squad that won the league the very previous season but I guess it was all the player's fault that we finished 7th that season. Because really, finding a new manager doesn't change anything
I never prayed that Mourinho has a bad season, seriously? I just mentioned that I give him the benefit of the doubt since he's a proven winner and his past. You fail to understand a simple point despite me saying it over and over again - I'm not wishing mourinho to crash and burn and if he helps us win fair fecks to him and he'll get all the plaudits. If it does somehow go tits up, I wouldn't be surprised.
So If I want United back to playing attacking football then that automatically means I would be happy to watch us lose 6-5 every week and be relegated? Did you really think what you wrote before you hit send ? Guess every other team in the Top 6 is losing 6-5 every match and close to relegation?
I've loathed Mourinho but I respect him as a manager and his winning record. I'm forever hoping he'll either evolve or we'll find the elusive Mourinho combination that'll get us back to our winning ways because if the football isn't good and we're not winning trophies, the blame will ultimately fall on the manager.
Maybe I will go and see a Bournemouth or Watford match live? I still don't understand if that's meant to be a slight on me or those teams? Why the feck are you so obsessed with Bournemouth and Watford?
I'll reiterate, who the feck are you to tell me how to support United? You can keep your head in the sand and masquerade as a Top red on internet forums while I'm more than happy to exist in the real world where logic and reasoning apply to all facets in life and being a football supporter doesn't mean attacking the opinions of other fans and accepting the shortcomings of our team and manager. Unlike you, I'm a United supporter and not a Mourinho fanboy.
Feck me.
I find the worst football we played our Van Gaal similar to the worst we play under Mourinho which is infuriating since he's had 2 seasons and spent 500 million. You may not think so and you're entitled to your opinion.
I'm a fickle fan for missing 2 games in a season where I fell asleep while watching the games in South East Asia on a business trip and the UCL matches are aired at around 1am.
Also the garbage about Bournemouth and Watford ? Seems like you need to go and watch a few of your local conference sides to know the magic of watching lower table sides that play good football. So watching Bournemouth and Watford play means I'm a neutral fan? What kind of loon logic is that
Then there's 2 paragraphs of the history of our club that doesn't really makes any sense in context to the debate we are having.
Finding a new manager isn't going to change anything? Gee, If only the board knew as much as you. We could have stuck with Moyes and he'd be leading us to European glory and Premier League dominance if only he was given more time. He also inherited a squad that won the league the very previous season but I guess it was all the player's fault that we finished 7th that season. Because really, finding a new manager doesn't change anything
I never prayed that Mourinho has a bad season, seriously? I just mentioned that I give him the benefit of the doubt since he's a proven winner and his past. You fail to understand a simple point despite me saying it over and over again - I'm not wishing mourinho to crash and burn and if he helps us win fair fecks to him and he'll get all the plaudits. If it does somehow go tits up, I wouldn't be surprised.
So If I want United back to playing attacking football then that automatically means I would be happy to watch us lose 6-5 every week and be relegated? Did you really think what you wrote before you hit send ? Guess every other team in the Top 6 is losing 6-5 every match and close to relegation?
I've loathed Mourinho but I respect him as a manager and his winning record. I'm forever hoping he'll either evolve or we'll find the elusive Mourinho combination that'll get us back to our winning ways because if the football isn't good and we're not winning trophies, the blame will ultimately fall on the manager.
Maybe I will go and see a Bournemouth or Watford match live? I still don't understand if that's meant to be a slight on me or those teams? Why the feck are you so obsessed with Bournemouth and Watford?
I'll reiterate, who the feck are you to tell me how to support United? You can keep your head in the sand and masquerade as a Top red on internet forums while I'm more than happy to exist in the real world where logic and reasoning apply to all facets in life and being a football supporter doesn't mean attacking the opinions of other fans and accepting the shortcomings of our team and manager. Unlike you, I'm a United supporter and not a Mourinho fanboy.
Feck me.
Took you all those days to not really come back with anything? You said you didn't watch those two games of boredom now you say you fell asleep? I see, probably a global fan who watches highlight reels. Cool.
You're contradicting yourself again by saying 'it's boring football and we're not winning trophies'. You said you didn't care about trophies in an earlier post you love entertaining football? And Yes, the board were right to sack Moyes, he inherited a past it squad and failed to invest in it, and unfortunately didn't know how to handle a big club. And Louis Van Gaal took a step forwards and a step back because he failed to qualify for the champions league, which our club needs for revenues etc. And god knows how we won the title in fergie's last season as well, it was just RVP on fire. We came from behind so many times that year. The paragraphs about the clubs history do have relevance, see where you say 'if we stuck with Moyes he'd be leading us Back to dominance', I'm trying to explain that we may not have that for decades now, based on history which you are and others are adamant would repeat itself for Mourinho because of his '3rd year meltdowns'. Can I preempt your contradiction on that? Are you going to say history only repeats itself in certain instances? And yes, you were banging on about bournemouths and watfords entertaining football so I said you should go support them. I'm not a big Mourinho fan but I think he's done all right. Two seasons, 3 trophies, highest league finish since SAF and back to back champions league qualification that we took for granted until Moyes and LVG came along.
Yes, I have a real life job which isn't to sit on an internet forum masquerading as a top red and judging people on how they support the club. We play some of the most static football in the world right now and I fell asleep? How is it hard to comprehend? Jose's football literally put me to sleep a few times and that has never happened under Fergie (TBH because the team had a completely different mentality in those days which has vanished in the current team)
How am I contradicting myself by saying that I want United to play good, attacking football? The point was people wouldn't care about us not winning and dominating every year but atleast we should be trying to play Football the Manchester United way and respect the club identity. We've played without any proper cohesion and identity since fergie retired and it would be acceptable if we were winning trophies but we aren't and neither do the majority of the supporters like the brand of football that's been laid out in front of them. Do you not think the supporters that pay their hard earned money to go and watch these matches should have a right to dissent and debate what's best for the club?
We may not have dominance for decades but that doesn't mean we should accept mediocrity for a club of our size and history. Fair fecks if you think that Mourinho is the best thing that happened to United, I just hold United to a much more higher standard than you.
I was banging on about Bournemouth and Watford? Mate you were the one that introduced them into the debate not me. Like I said, learn to read your posts before you hit that Post button.
"And god knows how we won the title in fergie's last season as well, it was just RVP on fire" - Says it all about you unfortunately, the greatest United manager dragging a a past-it team to their final glory and you say it was just RVP on fire, feck me.
I'm done here. Can't be bothered to argue about semantics now. Also you do know that Moyes bit was sarcasm right?
You Lost track about what your argument was whilst incorrectly trying to defend it. its called coignitive dissonance. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
So it's not even beginning of the season and 'he'll be sacked by Christmas' is the most popular cliche around. Astonishing really.
It's all very doom and gloom at the moment, hopefully we start the season well.
The problem is the lack of signings - going into the new season with effectively the same squad.
We know that we did not finish the season well last season, so we expected some new signings to freshen up the side and the way we play.
That has not happened and we are now expecting to start with A.Young and A.Valencia as our fullbacks, for instance. No RW.
The positive is that Fred has been added to midfield, which is good.
Once(when, not if) City is out of reach, I'll be screaming for Mourinho's head. Especially if our football isn't improved by the help of McKenna and Carrick. He's got no clue how to organise an attack, he hasn't addressed our glaring holes in the squad and its his third season which is looking like one where we'll be regressing.
It's not only about entertaining us and winning trophies. We will end up like Chelsea with high profile players (Martial, Pogba, De Gea, Bailly) wanting to leave because of the poor man-management as well as the tumescent shite we serve up each week. Even the most devoted Mourinho fans can't be so blind that they prefer him to stay over our biggest stars.
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