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Thiago Alcantara | Signed for Bayern Munich
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Oh for bleedin rucks sake....all of the stuff last night made it actually feel close
Sport: yesterday everything was agreed, today we are back to square one.
It's just a new, slightly different situation every day, to fill the silence. He's not returned to the club for pre-season yet, so he's technically still on 'holiday' or whatever, wherever he is. Hunter's not said much on him the past few days either.
Let's see if Moyes talk about this in today's press conference. The silence from all the parties involved is deafening considering the amount and length of media speculation surrounding this deal.
Sorry to rain on your parade, but seems like it will just be an introduction of David Moyes to United press conference only, nothing about transfers
Marcelo Lopez
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As far as I am aware, no medical is taking place tomorrow. Garay is not joining. Thiago is not flying in tomorrow
Marcelo Lopez
@Marcelo_Lopez84
As far as I am aware, no medical is taking place tomorrow. Garay is not joining. Thiago is not flying in tomorrow
Fake twitter account. He's probably right on this one, though.
I will watch all the youtube videos posted in this thread if he signs 
. I refuse to immerse myself in this till then.
. I refuse to immerse myself in this till then.A Spanish insider who only tweets in English and only about Manchester United, who claimed that we would announce the deal last week. Safe to say he is another twitter attention seeker.
TITO IS NOT INTENDED TO SPEAK WITH HIM BACK
THIAGO ULTIMATUMMazinho, his father, passed yesterday by the offices, but only for ceremonial signing of the renewal of Rafinha
Barca midfielder has sort of leftovers to triumph over Barca, but you must choose | Photo: Josep Maria Arolas
Ivan San Antonio
| 07.05.2013 | 04:05 h.It's supposed to be, but he has not said. Publicly or to the club. So he may not go. Or might. It is this uncertainty the most annoying the club, who need and, in fact, deserves a response ...Especially if the answer is to leave the Nou Camp because, in that case, we must find an alternative for the minutes that Thiago Alcantara would have had.
Conditioned player in his day the solution to the dilemma of the European U21 outcome. The tournament ended on June 18, but has not yet leafless Thiago Daisy. And time is running out. There are exactly ten days for the club to start the season and midfielder still must meet with their peers to train. In addition, two theoretical suitors, which is supposed to bid for him, Manchester United and Bayern Munich are already training. And if that were not enough, the ace in the hole with the player that has the clause of 18 million euros, will be 90 on August 1. So, with all these conditions, Thiago Alcantara should start considering putting an end to the saga. And not only for him, also, but the club who has seen him grow to become one of the continent's best under-21 players.
In the club walk to fly behind the ear, somewhat annoying because they understand that the player, if you decide finally leave, should, at least, show your intentions. Anyway, the sports management has provided the two possibilities: if he stays, as usual, if you will, will implement the plan B. In the second case, the role of Sergi Roberto would be important to very important. Tito Vilanova, in that sense, has great confidence in Reus and if Thiago can not count, will give his minutes. But there is also the possibility reinforced by a midfielder with more experience. Sounds Gundogan, Borussia Dortmund.
The older of the Alcantara's wants more minutes, but that is something that the coach can not guarantee. Tito can not commit nor Xavi, which is saying something. It is understood that Xavi is a permanent fixture, but not if it would be reasonable guarantee ownership forever. Thiago and Vilanova spoke at the time to explain that trusts him, who has played a lot this season and will do so again next time, but nothing more. And as I've said what I had to say on the subject, will not happen again. Now the ball is on the roof of the midfielder.
His father, Mazinho, was yesterday in the offices of the club, but not to talk about Thiago, but to attend the signing of the renewal of Rafinha, his other son footballer.Former world champion with Brazil just said "we have not talked about it" at the exit of the club.It was the day, but should be soon.Not to entrench a situation that benefits no one, neither the team nor the player himself, whose future should be clear.The club understands that the player has two significant deals, although does not know officially.One would be that of Bayern Munich, whose coach, Pep Guardiola, would be the main guarantor of Thiago Alcantara.Instead, the second proposal comes from England.Specifically, Manchester United, whose leaders would be the main responsible of interest.Their coach, David Moyes, who seems to not bid more for it.Although today will offer a press conference and could talk about it.A Thiago time runs out and the club need answers. http://www.sport.es/es/noticias/barca/ultimatum-thiago-2467149&usg=ALkJrhjtHrUCzlXBL68jGkPRLXmR82Wgpg
So this is the Sport article, they seem to be getting more impatient than the Cafe. Basically saying that Barcelona deserve to know what Thiago's decision is (in the event that they need to find a replacement) but also emphasising that Tito would not give Thiago any more reassurances or guarantees about playing time.
There is another article that suggests that We might have to pay 40m Euros because Barcelona might not want to compromise with us http://www.sport.es/es/noticias/barca/clausula-rescision-thiago-podria-costar40-millones-2466829&usg=ALkJrhhNoTUJP15E0wHIei61hsnKlDo0rA
Yeah! What does he know?!
Thiago will burst out down a runway to his own entrance music during Moyes' presser, like in wrestling when someone is getting interrupted.
The Bayern Munich link still makes a lot of sense.
And this from Mundo Deportivo basically saying that the lack of news is actually becoming the news. Mazino went to the Barcelona offices yesterday to sort out Raffinha's contract extension and refused to talk about Thiago, which is increasing the suspense. Again it mentions the tax issue which may be something Barcelona is leaking out to these papers perhaps?
Also in MD:
A hint that they don't think Thiago will make the same decision as Rafinha?
So today is the day then, 11am Cider yeah?
"I love both of you equally... but I'm selling my restaurant in Barcelona to be closer to your older brother"
I'm sold
This is really interesting from El Confidencial (which I think is more reliable than Sport or MD to not be biased). Like the MD article it describes the differences between the two brothers but then suggests that was Mazinho's plan all along to have the two bothers as different types of payers with different profiles as stars at different clubs, and suggests that Thiago's move to Manchester United will bring Mazinho's dream closer to fulfilment. Interesting perspective.
The tax talk is clutching at straws. Not one penny will go to FCB anyway so why should they care.
I won't post the whole article but Marca's headline is:
"Thiago requires assurances that he will play"
They also suggest that although Guardiola knows what a great player Thiago is, he can't guarantee that Thiago will be a permanent in the Bayern side and that the main suitor has always been us and that Moyes has suggested (not guaranteed) that he will play a lot of minutes for us.
http://www.marca.com/2013/07/05/futbol/equipos/barcelona/1373003967.html&usg=ALkJrhhP-MsPbnigau4tLqFAR8BSSXkdjg
AS reckon Moyes will reveal soomething today and say that the British press is expecting him to and also that thiago wont be expected to pay the fee (which would then bring in the tax issue) but that Barcelona, us and Thiago will reach a compromise. They also throw the possibility of Rooney joining Barcelona in as an option, for good measure!
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"Thiago requires assurances that he will play"
They also suggest that although Guardiola knows what a great player Thiago is, he can't guarantee that Thiago will be a permanent in the Bayern side and that the main suitor has always been us and that Moyes has suggested (not guaranteed) that he will play a lot of minutes for us.
http://www.marca.com/2013/07/05/futbol/equipos/barcelona/1373003967.html&usg=ALkJrhhP-MsPbnigau4tLqFAR8BSSXkdjg
AS reckon Moyes will reveal soomething today and say that the British press is expecting him to and also that thiago wont be expected to pay the fee (which would then bring in the tax issue) but that Barcelona, us and Thiago will reach a compromise. They also throw the possibility of Rooney joining Barcelona in as an option, for good measure!
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He wants assurances? Goes without saying he will start, next to Carrick, ahead of what we have now!
Imagine the carnage if the first question in Moyes press conference went like this..
reporter: how close is the deal for Thiago
DM: what deal? We haven't spoken to Barcelona or the player and are not interested in starting any kind of negotiations
reporter: how close is the deal for Thiago
DM: what deal? We haven't spoken to Barcelona or the player and are not interested in starting any kind of negotiations
The Barcelona press are impatient because they want to get on with the bit where Barca go shopping and so far neither Thiago nor Villa (nor anyone else who'd raise significant money) has been sold. They're frustrated because they were expecting news yesterday, after Rafinha's renewal meeting.
What looks clear is that Thiago is saying nothing to Barca (or anyone else) until he's either got a contract to sign or has abandoned the move. United haven't spoken to Barca, because that isn't the important bit.
The tax stories just add a little spice, like on all those TV reality house makeover shows where they've only got an hour to finish before the family gets home (or the house turns back into a pumpkin again). It's a tax/legal issue, that has been resolved successfully in the past.
This is the biggest decision of Thiago's life so far. It will be one of the biggest decisions of his career. Barca and United want to know so they can get on with their other transfer plans and prepare his pre-season, but that doesn't mean he has to tell Barca (or us) anything until the i's are dotted and the t's are crossed.
What looks clear is that Thiago is saying nothing to Barca (or anyone else) until he's either got a contract to sign or has abandoned the move. United haven't spoken to Barca, because that isn't the important bit.
The tax stories just add a little spice, like on all those TV reality house makeover shows where they've only got an hour to finish before the family gets home (or the house turns back into a pumpkin again). It's a tax/legal issue, that has been resolved successfully in the past.
This is the biggest decision of Thiago's life so far. It will be one of the biggest decisions of his career. Barca and United want to know so they can get on with their other transfer plans and prepare his pre-season, but that doesn't mean he has to tell Barca (or us) anything until the i's are dotted and the t's are crossed.
Let's get the important question out of the way. Is he a fantasista? Can we call him a fantasista? Or is he Regista or a Teraquista or a Motherfecka?
Agree
I understand the impatience of the Catalan press, and I also understand Thiago taking time with the decision, or at least waiting until everything is confirmed before announcing anything. He's a lot more refreshing than Hazard fluttering his eyelashes and whoring himself with cryptic clues and hints like "next season I will play in blue or red" every five minutes via twitter last summer.
I actually don't like this assurances he'll play business. At the end of the day you earn your right to play with your performances in games and in training. Not because of what it says in your contract.
It's not ideal, but it's not that bad. It's not as if Moyes has to play him even if he is not playing well, it's more like we would lose him at a cut price fee if he isn't played. And since when have we got big bucks for our fringe players anyway?
I agree. But in this specfic case, I'm not as bothered - he is coming to in my opinon fix a glaring problem. If he isn't playing all the time then something is wrong and he turns out to not be good enough - in which case we'll probably recover the money we spent.
I don't agree that he should have a minimum game clause thing, but at the same time I don't have issue with him having assurances that he'll play. After all he's leaving one of the most in demand clubs in the world because he doesn't play as often as he'd like. Some people would see it as a step down leaving Sunny Spain and Barcelona to come to Manchester so I can't really blame him wanting to know he's going to get game time before committing his future either way.
So really, we are still at the stage we were at 2 weeks ago. That he might join us, but still might stay at Barca.
Has he seen our squad? Of course he'll play. He'll probably be our star man in less than 2 years. Get it signed.
Has he seen our squad? Of course he'll play. He'll probably be our star man in less than 2 years. Get it signed.
I think most people would to be fair - except for Man Utd fans perhaps...
The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to think we will not sign him. It's just too good to be true Hopefully, the gaffer gives us muppets some info (even if cryptic) in his presser
Hopefully, the gaffer gives us muppets some info (even if cryptic) in his presserWhen it comes to big signings, do you think United is simply a club that conducts transfers with all correct due diligence before concluding?
I don't have proof, but the likes of Real, Barca, and Bayern (probs with Lewandowski, admittedly) just go for it. With Ronaldo, didn't United tell Real "ok, but we want 80m up front, in our bank". Real complied.
I don't have proof, but the likes of Real, Barca, and Bayern (probs with Lewandowski, admittedly) just go for it. With Ronaldo, didn't United tell Real "ok, but we want 80m up front, in our bank". Real complied.
Yeah, but I personally hate playing football in the sun when it's hot so if I was a footballer I wouldn't want to leave England for Spain.
I dont see the problem. if he cant cement his place in Our CM, it wont be a big loss to See him leave anyways. We should try to Get It done without The clause ofcourse, but it shouldnt be a deal breaker if it comes to that. Considering why he's leaving barca, understandable that he wants assurances. Why he as any doubts about his own ability to make our CM position his own Alongside Carrick, i dont know.
Let's not forget that it took Madrid three years of continous tapping up to sign Ronaldo. Giving us 80m was their last option because they had tried every thing in the book before that and still didn't get any close to sign Ronaldo.
It's incredible after the elation of yesterday we seem to be back to square one again.
By no means am I having a go at United's transfer process, I applaud if we are that meticuluous. The Real/Ronaldo example was just an illustration of how Real does business, which is seemingly quickly.
And I don't include "tapping up" as formal transfer activity, naive as I am! I refer to when the clubs start talking to each other formally, even if outside the gaze of the media.
It is not back to square one at all though. The Spanish press seem resigned to the fact that he's leaving, it's just a matter of telling the club his intention and they all seem to think we are the most his most likely destination.
I reckon it's a case of dotting i's and crossing t's like jojojo said.
I reckon it's a case of dotting i's and crossing t's like jojojo said.
Hold on, so yesterday's rumours about medicals were bullshit afterall?
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